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But we can just as easily suppose the oppose scenario for example: Jesus comes back and transubstantiates all the atheists to reward them/us/me for not believing in the most absurd concepts devised by christians because all the theists are wrong.
Right?
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
Right on aiia ...
Religion can work like a placebo. Actually, since religion doesn't deal with actual medical problems, but, rather, mostly emotional issues, it can basically cure people. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
Obviously, he's implying that we already know it is Jesus. Isn't suggesting that it might be aliens kind of avoiding the question? Yes, if this event occurred, I would convert.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Nevermind the fact that implication doesn't take a person very far...
At one time in my life, I was a full-fledged christian.
So if Jesus exists, can we assume Satan does too? I think we would have to.
1) How would we know it was Jesus ?
What... some previously unknown something within us just screams out, "Yup, that's Jesus."
2) How would we know that it wasn't just Satan trying to deceive us?
When crutchless can answer these two questions, I can proceed with my answer as to whether or not I would convert.
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Sadly the planet has been burdened with the absurdities of Christianity for 2,000 years but not even it ever spouted the Rapture crap. Somehow this ‘biblical truth’ escaped the notice of Christendom until 100 years ago. How come it took all that time to get it right? The Catholic and Orthodox churches as well as the Reformed denominations have no tradition of such fanciful notions.
Furthermore, whatever happened to the original ‘coming’ predicted in the NT? As per:
Matt 10:23: [Jesus said to his disciples] “When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”
1 Cor 7:29: I mean, brothers and sisters, the appointed time has grown short; from now on, let even those who have wives be as though they had none,
1 Thess 4:15: For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died.
James 5:8: You also must be patient. Strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.
Rev 22:20: [Jesus said] “Surely I am coming soon.”
Ooops! What rationalizations have Christians come up with to justify Jesus getting it so wrong?
But those who insist on espousing such Rapture nonsense there are some big decisions to be made. One must decide between: Dispensational , Hyper Dispensational, Progressive Dispensational , Futurist , Historicist , Idealist , Orthodox Preterist (Partial Preterist) , Hyper Preterist (Full Preterist) , Amillennial , Pan-millennial , Post-millennial , Pre-millennial , Post-tributional Rapture , Pre-tribulational Rapture , Pre-wrath Rapture.
All this and more is essential to sort out for the sake of your salvation.
BTW: How come Jesus will be seen by the whole earth when the earth is round. How can everyone see him floating down at one time…or will he have a Matinee show? And where is Jesus floating down from? The problem with Bronze Age religions like Christianity is the assumption that the earth is flat and that the universe is tiered with heaven, where Jesus lives, ‘up there’.
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"Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition". - Isaac Asimov
God/religion is a human invention. In the early stages of civilization, it was a useful concept -- it provided the social glue that was needed then to answer questions in certain areas that science had not answered yet. As civilization advanced, and science progressed to answer more and more of those questions, the role of religion diminished. Can science answers all the questions? Probably not, but as we mature, the need for religion will become a quaint idea.
I for one refuse to be subservient to a god who will kill people for not beliving in him. I am not a athiest but a wiccan. And not in th usual sense. I refuse to be subservient to ANYONE or ANTHING!!!!!! And to be part of the christian religon that is a requirement. People should follow no one else's wil but their own.
-psycho
civilize those you can and fuck the rest. the world is to big to be constantly clleaning uo a fter the weak minded.
I had avoided this topic, amongst others, due to a large number of posts being there before I'd even read the opening. But there is a question hidden in that long winded speech that is effectively towards everyone, so I'll address it and be done with it.
God is physically impossible. I mean this literally. The laws of physics deny the possibility of every god I have ever heard defined. Maybe someone has a god that physics doesn't rule out, but I haven't heard that tale yet. I'll deal with it when I do. If I do.
Beyond that, god is no different than Luke Skywalker, Frodo, Drizzt Do'Urden, or Harry Potter. He was invented by humans for a good story. Then some strange people, who today would be locked in an asylum, started saying it was all real, and shit hit the fan.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Vastet, "The laws of physics deny the possibility of every god I have ever heard defined." ~~~
Yeah, NO to every "religious" defined god. I was raised atheist, were science was the only useable definition of g awe d, as meaning the entire cosmos of all existence. In a real sense, I could say all science is my religion doctrine.
Atheism Books.
If we did in fact KNOW it was Jesus hovering in the sky is a nearly impossible leap. That is, it would be extremely unlikely anyone could say for 100% that Jesus was in the sky. Personally, Jesus would need to answer a ton of questions from me before I'd follow him anywhere.
So what would he need to answer for/to ? Here's my short, short, short, short list:
How much of the writings within the christian holy books are true ?
If any, show me all the verses that are false.
Why would god demand that blood be spilled in his own name?
Why was the violent forty day flood and total destruction necessary ?
Why did the flood need to kill innocent children?
Why would god harden Pharaoh's heart and then kill first borns in what could only be described as a massacre?
Why is it necessary to stone people to death?
Why would god order that Midianite female virgins were to be saved while all other Midianites should be killed?
Why would over 50,000 people need to die because they looked into the ark of the covenant ?
Why should people be punished for acts committed by their ancestors?
Those are just the tiniest tip of the ever expanding iceberg. I would be one to question the silly and vicious things religion has taught regardless of how that might affect my eternal life.
Hehehe - c'mon folks, you all know none of us would belive it if we KNEW it was Jesus the Christ playing on the world's largetst big-screen TV in the sky.
We'd accept it as true by the best evidence available, like we do with anything else with evidence.
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
Good point. So maybe saying that I would "convert" to Christianity is not the right word. I would simply regard it as more likely to be true than not true based on the fact that I can see Jesus floating in the air. Even then, we'd have to discuss what "converting" to Christianity actually entails since like half of the Bible is constantly under debate.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare