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the real blasphemy against the Holy Spirit [Kill Em With Kindness]

Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 10:16am
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the real blasphemy against the Holy Spirit [Kill Em With Kindness]

Hello,

I just stumbled across your website (blasphemy challenge).

Here is what I have found to be funny about it. Saying "I deny the Holy Spirit" is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is not even what the scripture you quote on the website says. It does not say whoever denies the Holy Spirit, it says whoever blasphemes against it. It is two very different things.

Let me tell you what true blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is: representing the love of the Christ (embodiment of the Holy Spirit) to knowingly lead people away from Truth/God/Enlightenment.

It is hard to understand exactly what that is, and I would say that it is very rare when and if it does happen at all.

As for what the Holy Spirit is I am not sure I can convey to you what that is. What I will say is that, as far as I have come to understand it through direct experience, it is an immense silence that burns in ones heart centre/chakra. Divine Love. This force is completely beyond the comprehension of a human mind, so nothing else can really be said.

Denying this presence from taking up residence in your being is not blasphemy against it. That is simple free will, which all beings on this planet have. It is a choice of free will, therefore subject to the laws of cause and effect. Nothing more.

Trying to force your beliefs upon another being is immature and the height of arrogance. In my view, doing such makes one no better than a door to door Jehovah's Witness.

I think if one just takes a look around this website, it is quite easy to see what is going on. Blasphemychallenge.com exists solely to stir up controversy, and in the process, attention. This website here is full of advertisements, is selling books and merchandise, accepting donations, and on top of it all pushing the political views of the site owner. The blasphemy challenge idea is a very clever viral marketing campaign.

I don't see how this organization is any different from a holier-than-thou televangelist organization. Two sides of the same coin.

But then again, maybe I am wrong, and the proceeds from this website go straight to charity, rather than lining someone's pockets, but I somehow doubt this.

In peace ~

atman

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Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 10:26am #1
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1. What about denying the

1. What about denying the existence of something isn't blasphemous?

2. Am I correct in claiming (by your logic) that everyone who claims to be a Christian is committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

I'll let others deal more precisely with your particular brand of special pleading woo-woo.

 

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Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 10:36am #2
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Holy douchebag, atman!Did I

Holy douchebag, atman!

Did I actually see you connect the Holy Spirit and Chakras in an attempt to properly define "blasphemy" for us?  Don't you know that real Christians wouldn't have anything to do with someone who goes about evangelizing for a Hinduism-inflected version of the faith?  You're defending a religion you came up with while reading Deepak Chopra books.  It's like Jesus Fan Fiction.  Come back around when you bring in Mr. Spock and Harry Potter.

 

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Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 11:04am #3
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Hello fly,I didn't really

Hello fly,

I didn't really come here to have intellectual debates with others.

1. You're right that it would seem my definition of blasphemy differs somewhat from the dictionary definition. Maybe then my opinion is invalid in your eyes.

2. No.

Spiritual Truth cannot be uncovered through intellectual debate. It serves nothing but to keep the ego-mind busy, the very process of which distracts one from the Truth which is present all around you.

You think you are your mind, which is why you seek for Truth outside of yourself, or busy yourself with meaningless intellectual tasks.

You are not your thoughts. Ask yourself, who hears the thoughts? Who is this presence, this silence, that underlies all mental activity, witnessing it. Breathe and allow.

Goodbye.

OM Shanti


Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 11:21am #4
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If you don't come to

If you don't come to discuss, why post on discussion forums?

As for my other questions:

1. No, not invalid - just different. The Blasphemy Challenge was primarily aimed at Biblical Christianity, a view you don't espouse.

2. Your definition of blasphemy describes what Christians do if they follow the Bible. How does it not apply to them?

Again, another special plead. Why can't spiritual truths be grasped intellectually (supposedly the deity granted us intellect)? Your way sounds like a great excuse to not think and just accept what others tell you. Or do you not have a guru you follow?

"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
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Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 11:28am #5
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atman wrote:Hello,I just

atman wrote:

Hello,
I just stumbled across your website (blasphemy challenge).

Welcome....and hope you enjoy your stay.



atman wrote:
Here is what I have found to be funny about it. Saying "I deny the Holy Spirit" is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is not even what the scripture you quote on the website says. It does not say whoever denies the Holy Spirit, it says whoever blasphemes against it. It is two very different things.

I've seen various definitions for blaspheme, blasphemy, blasphemous.... Most I've found state the word to mean, something that is said or done to show you do not respect a god or religion. To me, this has the potential to include denial.



atman wrote:
Let me tell you what true blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is: representing the love of the Christ (embodiment of the Holy Spirit) to knowingly lead people away from Truth/God/Enlightenment.

Holy shit!!! Did you get this definition of true blasphemy straight from the Holy Shitter himself ??? You are awfully cool and apparently well-connected too !



atman wrote:
It is hard to understand exactly what that is, and I would say that it is very rare when and if it does happen at all.

Are you saying you don't understand it cause it may not ever happen? Damn, and I was just beginning to think of you as my new cool super-hero  (minus the cape and the 'B' on the front of your name, of course)



atman wrote:
As for what the Holy Spirit is I am not sure I can convey to you what that is. What I will say is that, as far as I have come to understand it through direct experience, it is an immense silence that burns in ones heart centre/chakra. Divine Love. This force is completely beyond the comprehension of a human mind, so nothing else can really be said.

Ya see... this is what I don't like about my super heroes.  You guys always end up showing off with your ability to understand things through direct experience and yet it's always so completely beyond the comprehension of a human mind.



atman wrote:
Denying this presence from taking up residence in your being is not blasphemy against it. That is simple free will, which all beings on this planet have. It is a choice of free will, therefore subject to the laws of cause and effect. Nothing more.

Even super heroes need to read the works of Hambydammit. May I suggest, as a starter:

http://www.rationalresponders.com/free_will_why_we_don039t_have_it_and_why_that039s_good_thing

 

atman wrote:
Trying to force your beliefs upon another being is immature and the height of arrogance. In my view, doing such makes one no better than a door to door Jehovah's Witness.

And what brand name did you purchase?

Well thanks.... and have a great day!  Crucified <<<< Dead

 


Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 12:47pm #6
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Holy douchebag, atman!

Did I actually see you connect the Holy Spirit and Chakras in an attempt to properly define "blasphemy" for us?  Don't you know that real Christians wouldn't have anything to do with someone who goes about evangelizing for a Hinduism-inflected version of the faith?  You're defending a religion you came up with while reading Deepak Chopra books.  It's like Jesus Fan Fiction.  Come back around when you bring in Mr. Spock and Harry Potter.

I've actually heard that before.  Some guy who approached me in the street told me how he was ashamed to say he was a christian because George W. Bush was one also.  But then he took a yoga class where he discovered his chakras and somehow they lead him back to jesus (if I recall, he actually mentioned specific "chakras" in his ears and eyes).  

As far as whether it's real christianity...it's not the first time christianity has had to morph and adapt in order to appear relevant.  


I'm shocked to learn atman didn't come here for an intellectual debate -- he was doing so well.

Better run along.  The reincarnated jesus is waiting on your rice offering (and easy on the chutney this time!)

 

 

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