It's about time the shit talkers came back.  I noticed one of the fundie morons posted an attack about my take on this situation.  In fact dare I say that his attack was the very elusive self-pwn.

It was said about my previous post that (and I'm not linking to the scumbag)...

LOL!  So the fundie Christian tells us that news reports confirmed that a likely motive is that he was the target of discriminatory remarks?  And I agree that there are some reports about that.  What this tells me (and everyone else reading) is that Christians were making negative remarks about the fact that he was a Muslim.  Yet my attacker made his follow up sentence "It does not concern the belief system of Muslims or Christians"

Elusive self-pwn anyone?  This has to do with religion, this has nothing to do with religion, much?

You know what else "news reports have confirmed?"  

Hasan Linked to Sept. 11 Hijackers

And you know why I didn't post that story already? I believe Newsmax to have a very Republican/Christian slant, and I wouldn't have wanted to post something innacurate.  

Attacker: Now get back to screwing up your stalking of John Loftus, which you suck at too.  But thank you very much for the hate, I was waiting for it to start back up again, so that I could return this site to the same level of prominence it once had.  In case it wasn't clear... he would've never been made fun of for being of a different religion had we lived in a world with no religion.  And if none of the parties had a religion, the killings wouldn't have happened. 

So once again... here's another opportunity for us to throw off our religious beliefs.  After all religion also makes you create dumb arguments like the one I've just picked apart.  Step away from the holy book.

 This was a good post from Aiia in the other thread about this issue...

In the last 6 years:

Former Special Forces sergeant Ali Mohammed

SFC Abdullah Webster

Army Chaplain (Captain) James Yee

Airman Ahmad al-Halabi

Ahmed Fathy Mehalba

Army Specialist Amir Abdul Rashid

Navy Signalman Hassan Abu Jihaad

Army Sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar

Here's Conservative host Michael Savage pushing forward the opposite notion of the whiner I exposed in my previous post:

CFI released a statement today in line with my findings, and adding new context to the story...

Denying Reality, or the Heavy Cost of Political Correctness

By Ibn Warraq 

In the wake of the murder of 13 and the wounding of 38 soldiers at Fort Hood on November 5, media analysts, politicians, and other sundry experts scrambled to present the accused perpetrator of the acts, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, as a victim. In so doing they served, knowingly or otherwise, as apologists for radical Islam. From CNN to the New York Times, NPR to the Washington Post, the killings were presented as a result of racism. They were attributed to fear of deployment in Afghanistan and harassment from other soldiers. Cited were Major Hasan’s supposed maladjustment to his life and his sense of not belonging, pre-traumatic stress disorder, and various personal and mental problems. All these explanations are variations on what I have called “the Root Cause Fallacy,” which has been committed time and again since the terrorist acts of September 11, 2001. The Root Cause Fallacy was designed to deflect attention away from Islam, in effect to exonerate Islam, which, we are told, is never to blame for acts of violence. On this view we must not hold a great world religion of peace responsible when individuals of that faith resort to force. We must dig deeper: the real cause is poverty, U.S. foreign policy, the Arab-Israeli conflict, Western colonialism and exploitation, marital problems of individuals, and so on. The present “psychological” interpretations in the case of Major Hasan are just the latest example of the Root Cause Fallacy at work.

The Australian tells us that the mindset of Major Hasan remains a “mystery,” yet his Jihadist intentions are there on the surface for everyone not paralyzed by political correctness to see. According to CNN (Nov. 7), on the morning of the shootings Hasan gave copies of the Koran to his neighbors. According to the Associated Press (Nov. 6), soldiers reported that Hasan shouted out “Allahu Akbar” [God is Great] – the war cry of all Jihadis – before firing off over a hundred rounds with two pistols in a center where some 300 unarmed soldiers had lined up for vaccines and eye tests. NPR informs us that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues. The Associated Press (Nov. 11) adds that classmates who studied with Hasan from in that postgraduate program reported Hasan making a presentation during their studies "that justified suicide bombing" and spewed "anti-American propaganda," denouncing the war on terror as "a war against Islam." Classmate Val Finnell and another student complained about Hasan, shocked that someone with "this type of vile ideology" would be allowed to wear an officer’s uniform. But, importantly, no one filed a formal complaint about Hasan’s views and comments for fear of appearing discriminatory -- in other words, out of political correctness. According to The Telegraph (Nov. 6), Army colleagues reported that Major Hasan had condemned U.S. foreign policy, that he clearly declared that Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans, that he expressed happiness when a U.S. soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment center in Arkansas in June, and that he said people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square. It has been widely reported that Major Hasan attended the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Virginia Falls during the time that Anwar al-Awlaki, a Yemen-based al-Qaeda preacher with extensive terrorist connections, was its main preacher. Awlaki even praised Major Hasan as a hero on November 9, four days after the Fort Hood attacks. The Times of London revealed (Nov. 10) that Major Hasan had been in direct correspondence with Awlaki, in connection with which Hasan had already been under investigation by the F.B.I. Almost every news source has reported that Major Hasan was also under investigation by federal law enforcement officials for his postings to an internet site speaking favorably of suicide bombing.

Fortunately, not all in the media were hamstrung by political correctness. Here is Ralph Peters in the New York Post (Nov. 6): “On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim U.S. Army officer shouting ‘Allahu Akbar!’ committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam. What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting. This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.”

There was a laudable concern among Americans about a possible “backlash” against all American Muslims. What backlash? Even following the September 11 attacks with their 2,976 victims, Americans behaved with exemplary restraint. They behaved in a civilized manner in the face of barbarism.

It is time to abandon apologetics, and political correctness. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all Muslims are implicated in the horrendous events of September 11, 2001 -- or of November 5, 2009. However, to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with 9/11 or the Fort Hood massacre is willfully to ignore the obvious. To leave Islam out of the equation means to forever misinterpret events. Without Islam, the long-term strategy and individual acts of violence by Osama bin Laden and his followers make little sense. Without Islam, the West will go on being incapable of understanding our terrorist enemies, and hence will be incapable to deal with them. Without Islam, neither is it possible to comprehend the barbarism of the Taliban, the position of women and non-Muslims in Islamic countries, or -- now-- the murders attributed to Major Hasan.

We are confronted, after all, with Islamic terrorists; and we must take the Islamic component seriously. Westerners in general and Americans in particular no longer seem able to grasp the passionate religious convictions of Islamic terrorists. It is this passionate conviction, directed against the West and against non-Muslims in general, that drives them. They are truly, and literally, God-intoxicated fanatics. If we refuse to understand that, we cannot understand them.

Jihad is “a religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of advancing Islam and repelling evil from Muslims.” That is how it is described in no lesser source than the Dictionary of Islam, so we should not pretend surprise if Islamic terrorists see their mission in such terms.

In the wake of the Fort Hood Massacre, America’s armed forces, the F.B.I., C.I.A., Department of Homeland Security and other counter-terrorist bodies face some difficult decisions about Muslims employed in their services. After all, the view Major Hasan expressed – that Muslims in the U.S. Armed Forces should not serve in Iraq or Afghanistan, or anyplace where they might have to kill fellow Muslims – is precisely in keeping with fatwas issued by such Muslim leaders as Ali Gum’a, the mufti of Egypt, which forbade Muslim soldiers to take part in the so-called War on Terror.

When Muslim soldiers or agents or operatives feel that their primary allegiance is to Islam and not the United States, can we safely allow their service to continue? It is an agonizing question, but one we must confront; however, we cannot properly confront this question while we struggle to pretend that Islam itself is not part of the dispute.

Ibn Warraq is a senior research fellow at the Center for Inquiry and author of five books, including Why I Am Not a Muslim and Defending the West (both published by Prometheus Books).

Brian, I am the last to be politically correct, I think you know that. But even with all that has come out in this case so far, how is this any different than someone with a screw loose who bombs an abortion clinic because they hang out with evangelicals?

Would we say the same if this guy did the same thing and shouted "Long Live Tom Cruise, the prophet of Scientology".

I agree that there are humans who use violence for a political motive. But we cant always equate mass murder to political terrorism otherwise the Columbine killers were making a statement about how nerds are picked on.

Having said that, I do not see Eric Rudolf or this nut as terrorists. I see them as individuals whom failed in some aspect of their lives and couldn't cope with it so decided to take the cheap way to fame.

Obama was a terrorist, but ironically for the same reason Eric Rudolf and this nut did what they did. F They couldn't get fame through peaceful means, so they killed to get attention, much like a baby crying for a nipple.

The difference between a nutcase and a terrorist is the amount of support.

 I don't care if you label him a terrorist or not Brian, as long as you can admit he was motivated by religion.  If you're trying to call him a nut job abortion clinic bomber, I think you should pack up and find a country you can believe in.  He was a therapist for the military that didn't have his own emotions in check?  I contend he's a very sane religious muslim who was motivated by religion, not an insane person.

Please. Don't ever make that Freudian slip again.

I'm positive you meant 'Osama'.

And when it is 'political terrorism' will you deny it then?

Looks like we might as well keep Gitmo bay open and expand it.

Nahhh. We can send them to Toronto.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/holy-post/archive/2009/10/21/toronto-imam-calls-for-destruction-of-christians-jews.aspx