Argument from Incredulity - I can't believe it, so it can't be true!

Mazid the Raider's picture

I was asked recently by someone whose name I don't even remember (thanks, internet anonymity!) for a response to something his father had said. "How can you look at all of existence and not see the hand of God? How could any of this exist without Him? I can't imagine how it could all come about!"

How could it come about? Oh crap, what have I been doing?!... wait, does that make any sense? The answer, of course, is an emphatic "No!".

Okay, let us think about this for a second. This is what we know as the Argument from Improbability, very similar to the Argument from Ignorance ("I don't know about it, so it can't be true&quotEye-wink. Lets do another little experiment.  I want you to imagine a ball. I guess you could pick up a real ball if you really want, but it isn't going to help you that much. Now that you've thought of the aforementioned ball, nice and round and bouncy, even, imagine that there are two squares of tape on the floor right next to each other over there (no, other way... yeah, there). Now if you were to throw the ball at the two squares you could reasonably expect it to hit, say, the middle if you're a good shot, or that rather expensive lamp if you aren't (see why I'm only having you imagine this?). But leaving aside your pinpoint precision, or my wild side-arm tosses, the ball could be thought of as bouncing inside one square or the other. That sounds pretty good, doesn't it?

Okay, we're through the set-up for our little experiment. So, we've imagined a person with somewhat good aim tossing the ball, and we're imagining ourselves looking very closely indeed to determine in which square the ball bounces, but for some reason it bounces in both at the same time! Wait, that's not right! How can that be?! There must be a trick here!!! We'll put some saltine crackers in each square - if they get broken, we know for sure in which square  the ball bounced. She tosses it again... WHOA, same thing! and we were watching carefully that time: One ball left her hand, one ball bounced away from the boxes, and one ball clearly broke the crackers in both boxes at the same time without changing direction. But how can that be? They're next to each other, it was a single bounce, it didn't split into two balls, but based on everything we know about reality this is impossible. I guess god did it?

No... not quite. Let us reword things a bit, and put them into their proper scale. We're not talking about bouncy balls, we're talking about single electrons. Similarly, there are no saltines or taped squares on the floor; instead we have two holes through which a single electron is shot to a detector screen on the other side. Electrons behave like particles most of the time - hence the bouncy ball analogy, but in these experiments they pass through both holes simultaneously, behaving instead like a wave.  Why? I don't know. I could not have imagined that anything would have behaved like that in reality - schizophrenic physical identity and all - nobody who can be expected to be taken seriously could have seriously postulated such behavior. The fact is, however, that despite our personal incredulity it does behave in such a manner. Did you catch that? Even if we can't imagine something, physical proof over-rides our limited comprehensions.

"Well, then" says our friend's father. "In that case you should have no problem with believing that there is a God! You said it yourself:  incredulity is not a legitimate basis for understanding reality, so your disbelief in God is just a failure on your part!" Whoa, there, Mr. Jumped-the-Gun. You left out half the conclusion - the same part that always gets left out of a theistic proof: the Proof part. Nothing in the universe needed, or needs, some outside theistic guidance or control. No proof of a god - any god, not just a specific pet deity like Allah or Zeus or Yahweh - has ever been submitted to scientific inquiry and found to be legitimate, or even slightly compelling, so sit back down.

All of this leaves us right back where we began, unfortunately. None of this has disproved god, but that was never my intention with this article. All I've done is provide a response to one of the less compelling arguments for the existence of a god. It seems to be a growing hobby, so watch me for some more of the same!

(Originally posted at http://www.thisisby.us/index.php/content/argument_from_incredulity )

 

"But still I am the Cat who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me!" ~Rudyard Kipling

Mazid the Raider says: I'd rather face the naked truth than to go "augh, dude, put some clothes on or something" and hand him some God robes, cause you and I know that the naked truth is pale, hairy, and has an outie
Entomophila says: Ew. AN outie

Hambydammit's picture

It's always the proof

It's always the proof thing.  There are so many ways theists approach the same argument.

* You can't prove it isn't, so I can believe it is.  (All possible things are not equally possible.  Some things are so staggeringly improbable as to be discarded outright.  Chief among these are all the things for which there is absolutely zero evidence and logical impossibility.)

* Bizarre things happen that defy logic (quantum physics) so god is equally possible.  (No, we have proof that quantum physics work.  We can predict things with staggering accuracy.  No falsifiable God prediction has ever worked out.)

* Life is so improbable, it had to be guided by something.  (No, because the something that would guide it is more improbable than life itself.  Furthermore, these claims are almost always based on guesses, not scientific data.  We don't know how probable life is given the necessary elements.)

It goes on and on.  In all cases, the theist is arguing not only from incredulity and ignorance but also a fundamental misunderstanding of induction.

 

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JillSwift's picture

It's always fun to hit the

It's always fun to hit the argument from incredulity fallacy with the argument from incredulity of incredulity fallacy. i.e. "I cant' believe that you don't believe so you must really believe." Sticking out tongue

"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray

Tilberian's picture

"I can't imagine how it all

"I can't imagine how it all could come about!"

That's because you are stupid.

Maybe that sounds flippant, but it is true. People who can't imagine how the universe could have come about without God are simply lacking or unable to process certain basic information. But, for some reason, in America today, this is not a valid attack on their position. A misreading of democracy and the idea that all people are equal and entitled to an opinion has led to the unfortunate paradigm that ALL opinions are supposed, in politically correct circles, to be considered valid and equal. "It might be true for you, but not for me," is a typical statement that sums up this broken relativist position.

There is one truth, ladies and gentlemen, that correlates to the one universe that we live in. Your opinion can either be closer or farther away from that truth but, unlike an electron, cannot be both at the same time.

Lazy is a word we use when someone isn't doing what we want them to do.
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Hambydammit's picture

Quote:A misreading of

Quote:
A misreading of democracy and the idea that all people are equal and entitled to an opinion has led to the unfortunate paradigm that ALL opinions are supposed, in politically correct circles, to be considered valid and equal. "It might be true for you, but not for me," is a typical statement that sums up this broken relativist position.

So true.  There are so many things wrong with this position that it's hard to know where to begin dismantling it.  First, all people are not even remotely equal, and no amount of democracy can come close to making them equal.  Eugenics could come closer to making all people equal, but it would take fascism to make eugenics work properly.  Additionally, in a democracy, the point is often missed that everyone has a right to be completely wrong!  All a free society allows is the right to stupidity, not the right to equal validity.

There are so many equivocations in "It might be true for you, but it's not for me," it's staggering.

 

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Renee Obsidianwords's picture

So what is the argument

So what is the argument called when a parent sends me a picture of their newborn and exclaims that it is a miracle? 

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Hambydammit's picture

Quote:So what is the

Quote:
So what is the argument called when a parent sends me a picture of their newborn and exclaims that it is a miracle?

Strictly speaking, it's proof that the woman's ovaries work.  Doesn't really prove a damn thing about the husband.

 

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