Moral dilemma.. looking for opinions
Greetings Ya'all,
I am looking for opinions on a moral dilemma I am having.
I am about to release a product I have created. It makes a very nice novelty-gift product. I hope one day to add it to rationals product list.
Here is my dilemma. My sister has asked me to print some units of my product with christian quotes... bible stuff.
For me to do this it would obviously go against my belief system. I would hate to encourage Christianity, but I do want to sell as many of my product as possible. Hell christians have money to.
So what do you think.. Refuse to proliferate or print them out and cash in on the delusion?
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
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Tons of stuff sells without the need of bible verses, many novelty products sell without the need of bible verse. so go ahead with the verses.
Do you mind us asking what this particular product is? Additionally, does it have any non-christian quotes? By non-christian I don't mean anti-christian, just quotes not associated with christianity.
Assuming it does have non-christian quotes (this is actually part of what I'm leading up to with my previous questions), what is the purpose of these quotes? Are they for amusement, philosophy, science, awe, etc or are they just random?
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
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You don't have to quote the bible, How about stuff along the lines of, "Don't worry, be happy" Or "treat others as you would have them treat you"
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda
Go for IT. Televangelis use the bible for money all their hypocritical time. Thus to, unto an secularousith, (I thinketh). Dosth thou-it objectith to money-ith from the greatly mis-informedith???
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In more secular English the previous entry means, "Screw unto others before they catch on." or "Money hath no religion", or "Believe has thou wish, just pay the bill", or "In god we trust all others pay cash" or "God forgives, the bill collector doesn't".
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
"Do you mind us asking what this particular product is?"
I can't give out to much detail as I am waiting for my patent registration #. But in a nut shell it is a new compact document holder designed for computers.
" Additionally, does it have any non-christian quotes? By non-christian I don't mean anti-christian, just quotes not associated with christianity."
Yes the current designs are based around peace, freedom, success. Mostly I want them to be self building and/or humorous.
I have just begun to create the artwork that will be used. I have things like peace signs and a quote from Hendrix about the power of love. Simple designs like a dragon I created and the ying-yang sign.
There is really no limit to what can be put on it.
After she asked me to do this I got to thinking about sending out samples to churches and offer a promotion for fund raising to youth groups.. of course I could send them to the boy scouts and give them a chance to promote.. but the christians have money to...
I think it will be a great way to sell a lot of product and get paid up front for it. This would eliminate cash layout and 30 terms to retailers untill my cash flow improves. I will have a web store, but the church thing seemed like a good for sure deal with a quick turn over.
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
Go ahead and sell them with Christian verses. Give a healthy chunk of your profit to RRS and all will be forgiven.
And no, I'm not kidding. If you're going to make that much money, break off a little for RRS to help clear your conscience (and fight Christianity with its own money).
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
Why Believe?
That was pretty much where I would go with it.
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
You may not have been kidding but I just laughed my ass off, well said.
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Then I don't see a problem with having quotes from christianity or other religions, just keep them in line with these themes. That wouldn't even be a moral dilemma. You're already using yin-yang from one religion, to keep it fair and secular you'd almost HAVE to find quotes from as many other varying religions as possible. No moral dilemma at all as far as I can see. If the christians want to stick to their particular quotes, then that's their problem to sort out the quotes that are/aren't.
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
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I don't see how putting the quotes on would increase sales.
Getting christians to support you is too funny. Just look at it like this-the bible's fiction, so it's like putting any made up saying on really. If christians are silly enough to go spending money on something just because it has some verses on, with no thought to where the money is going..they deserve to get a little conned.
Maybe the best thing is to give it a trial run. If it doesn't work as well as you thought, take them off.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
It's the design. the mounting portion of the holder is 2"x 4". and flat.. it just makes for a great place to put designs or advertising.
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
Yeah, this is why I do think it is a good idea. I am looking forward to using the profits to encourage and support an atheistic ideal.
I do have plans to have designs that include the evolve fish and other quotes that have made me think..
I have two close friends that are atheists and they are really divided on the issue.
One says that it would be the height of my hypocricy.. And I have taken bible tapes to dieing friends because they needed comfort and I didn't feel right telling him my beliefs while he was on his death bed.
The other feels if I can get the cash.. who cares i only supply them, who am I to try and control what floats peoples boat.
Maybe I should create a special page for religious items on the website I will be putting up. I will pledge 10% of the proceeds to a worth while charity.. I just won't tell them what charity I supported... I could do that and feel quite proud of myself with that.
does any one know if a Canadian can get the tax deduction for supporting an American based charity?
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
How much cheap cristian crap, nick nacks, t-shirts, coffee cups etc are actually made in China???
Hell, American flags are made in china....
I think you get my drift.
LC >;-}>
Christianity: A disgusting middle eastern blood cult, based in human sacrifice, with sacraments of cannibalism and vampirism, whose highest icon is of a near naked man hanging in torment from a device of torture.
A professional skateboarder once said,
"If you can sell out, do it, but that shit's lame."
You aren't a preacher in this. Just cashing in on them. Go go go.
This is your one life, and you are as good as dead without a bank account...
<-Nihilist :3
Thanks guys I appreciate the input.
As an add on to this quandary,
How about your perception of purchasing from a place that caters to both factions..
Would you hesitate to buy a product that on one line has bible quotes and down the page you find atheist quotes?
would this effect your buying decision?
I would expect that the bible thumpers would lean towards a prejudice against such a thing..
We all know how Temperamental they can be...LOL
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
That's an interesting question to raise. Sure I'd like to say it shouldn't, wouldn't, matter. But then again...
I guess that would just be up to the individual. Myself, I wouldn't worry about that, I suppose.
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Hard to say. If I knew the money was going to an atheist and a good organization, then sure. If I didn't though, I might assume it was christian business and not buy.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
This is addmitedly left field stuff.
Are we in danger of becoming what we hate?
I speak here of the whole incestuous (in the buisness and cultural sense) nature of theistic society. Should we try to remove ourselves from the theistic world, refusing to even do commerce with them? In a realistic sense, it's imposible to divorce ourselves from mainstream culture, even if it is dominated by the theists. It is a common tactic of the theist to boycott, bad mouth and generally try to ruin buisnesses or organizations that they deem as counter to their ideals/dogma. They already try to marginalize us, do we need to help them? Perhaps withdrawing from the theistic world like a bunch of secular Amish? Perhaps in time becoming quaint?
The money changers in the temple (much revilled it seems) yet, they facilitated worship by taking the coinage of Rome (bering the graven image of the god-king Caesar) and changing it to religiously acceptable coins for the purpose of tithes and offerings. The fact that they made a profit from the venture caused their bad press... and apparantly triggered a psychotic break in jesus.
LC >;-}>
Ok it's a rant... sue me.
Christianity: A disgusting middle eastern blood cult, based in human sacrifice, with sacraments of cannibalism and vampirism, whose highest icon is of a near naked man hanging in torment from a device of torture.
Depends how much your worth
Just to clarify on my personal stance-I will not buy anything that spreads the message of christianity, ie books or music as presents for religious friends. Now if I'm go past a restuarant owned by christians, and I am aware of that fact, I'm not going to boycott it. A) I will go hungry, B) Enough boycotting and they will too. Really, I'm not out to financially ruin christians and starve their children, I'm just refusing to spend money on anything that supports their religion.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
In a lot of ways I feel the same way. I will not enter a church for any reason. I will not entertain anyone trying to convert me. Even for the sake of being able to have a conversation that would enable me to express my opinion. I have also had some horrible experiences when entering into business agreements with the devotely religious. so I do distance my self from that as well. however, when I go into a card shop and see easter cards with a guy suffering on a cross, it has never really dawned on me to ban myself from buying a card from the same company with a different slant, say a joke.
Kinda makes me go Hmmmm.....
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
I prefer more direct measures...lol
This is also an area in which I do feel very conscious about.
Truly I do not have a great problem with taking advantage of the market. I know what fires my fuel will go to. However even associating myself to such perversion in a advantages way, gives me the creeps... Is it bending the straw to far? I could easily sell poison meat to an enemy and barely bat an eye, if the need was great enough, but would I sell them a shield... i think not...
Renshia
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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.
I don't see that there's a moral dilemma here at all.
While I view most flavors of Christianity as nothing less than bat-shit crazy, the milquetoast (e.g. UCC) variety seems to me more or less a harmless eccentricity.
The bible itself is still a vast and terrific literary work, worthy of being read.
If you're so anti-theist you can't stand the thought, then don't do it. But really what's the harm in this?:
"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things." I Cor. xiii. 11.
It's the quote I always use to counter fundies when they come to my door. I tell them to grow up using their own silly book:P
Being open-minded isn't the same thing as being vacant.
People love things that reinforce whatever belief they have. Shit, my mother has a whole bunch of golf kitch just because she likes golf. The stuff is garbage, but it has "golf" written on it or whatever, and so people get it for her as presents.
Take their money. By "they", I mean "everybody".
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