How does 0 + 0 = every thing!
For math I lerned that 0 + 0 = 0. The universe doesnt know math because it said 0 + 0 = every thing, lol. How did energies and mater be created with out a creator? I know this is tough question so its ok if you intellegent people dont know the answer. Give me a good guess?
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I think your (3) is a caricature or a poor choice of wording. Nobody thinks quantum mechanics caused the universe to come into being from actual nothingness—if quantum mechanics exists, something exists, which means you're positing that the universe came from something, not nothing. Quantum physicists, like Victor J. Stenger, like to use the word "nothing" for shock value but they are not referring to actual nothingness. Think about a region of space between Earth and Mars where there is no matter. Is that void of space actually nothing? No, because the membranous fabric of the universe exists within that region and it fluctuates wildly, sometimes producing virtual particles. It is that sort of "nothing" that physicists like Victor J. Stenger are referring to, and the same sort of fluctuation except much more violent.
There are other views about the origin of the cosmos. Many theoretical physicists postulate that our universe is one of many which all bubbled off from a cosmic foam, or came into existence through the collision of 11-dimensional membranes. The 11-dimensional membrane idea is from string theory, but there are a few theoretical scientists who think string theory is overrated. One of those is Lee Smolin, who postulates something akin to biological evolution but happening at the cosmic scale. Basically, universes give rise to other universes through blackholes and the universes more capable of creating blackholes tend to predominate, and that our universe came from a blackhole of another universe. There might be other ideas of how our universe came to be, but I'm not aware of any others.
Even though these ideas might seem strange, they make more sense to me than postulating the existence of a god or a supernatural realm. You begin talking about causes outside the causal manifold of spacetime, which makes no sense. Plus, unless the universe is actually composed of the same stuff that the god is composed of, you must postulate that the stuff that comprises the universe must have always existed in some form or another as a separate entity from god or that the stuff of the universe essentially came from nothing but I see no way for even a god to make something come from actual nothingness because it seems logically contradictory. The idea of a god only seems simple when you look at it superficially but is very confusing and generally unintelligible when you look at the idea with a critical eye.
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The Big Picture? .... What do we know about the infinite eternal force (god) or whatever is going on NOW, THEN, NEXT??? Hardly a rats ass nothing. So yeah, the AWE. In that sense we are indeed incredible. To say we are "Special" is a philosophical science opinion/perspective of often silly comparisons. Is anything more special ??? Religion dogma is obviously an embarrassing error in our reasoning. Religion as we know it must cease.
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http://www.awitness.org/books/luther/on_jews_and_their_lies_p2.html
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'On Jews and their Lies' Part Two
Luther's Advice for dealing with the Jews
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with both of you...
"Or, do you define god as simply "something else" and have no intention of defining it further? In that case, I may believe in god aka "something else", but I'd like you to show evidence for that "something else".
That is exactly the best definition of God I can come up with...God is something else that is impossible to define further....the words "something else "are all that is possible to describe God. It is totally "other" than anything we could possible know...and unfortunately I can provide no evidence of it.
I dont disagree with the cosmic foam ideas. To me they are just a variation of the possibility that the universe has always existed in some form or other...To have any time of being, there has to exist some type of pure being...you can call it the universe, or Universe, God, or whatever you want.
I picture the pure being creating the physical universe but that may be just the best idea I can hold on to. I agree that it is probably a poor approximation to the truth.
How do you believe in an undefined something? That's utterly bizarre.
You're making a few assumptions. Human assumptions, but assumptions none the less.
There is probably and likely so much stuff we don't have any clue about. Major laws of physics we don't know about. Different dimentions and aspects and equations and lines of existance we could not know about.
We don't know if existance is more like a circle, with no beginning or end, but a self-fueled pattern of sorts.
Maybe something came from nothing even. Just because that doesn't happen at our level doesn't mean the same fact should be applied at the universe level. Appling the same fact would be commiting the composition fallacy: the error of assuming that the properties of the whole will be the same as the properties of the parts. Just because a bike is made of lightweight parts doesn't mean the bike as a whole will be light weight. Just because everything in the universe has a cause and comes from something doesn't mean existance as a whole follows those perameters.
Quite frankly the answer to all these tough questions is: "I dunno."
And it will probably remain that way for quite some time, if not ever.
Although it is not a complete answer, for the moment it is the correct answer.
And pretending to know any other answer would be dishonesty.
If this topic keeps going, I will laugh myself into a coma.
The topic appears to be continuing.
Therefore, I will laugh myself into a coma (brb, bilateral damage to the reticular formation of the midbrain).
QED.
Llama, that's called logic. Learn some.
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God of the Gaps: As knowledge approaches infinity, God approaches zero. It's introductory calculus.
I agree with the "how can you believe in something defined as "something else?"" comment.
Isn't it ALWAYS "something else"?
For example, god exists:... "no, it's something else".
God is god: "no, its something else".
It's quite an attack on logic and reason - and leaving you with what? Something else? Not very powerful, I'm afraid. However, I believe you are right in general. Theists don't know, and they are always non-defining God into Something Else - and I think you'll respect my position - is the same thing as a god not existing in the first place.
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
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Only reason why I reply to this theology reply is because I see a huge butt load of things written by the deludedgod and it will take so much of my free time to reply to his thing. I will reply paragrpah by paragrpah to minimize confusions. So for now I reply to this before I get down and dirty with replying to his pseudoscience. Again if deludedgod claims he proves godless universe origin (with science) then indeed he is a DELUDED!
Um I read a lot of your reply about fear power and greed and those things are every where man puts his dirty finger at. Nationalism is the greatest threat to mankind and not religion. WW1 and WW2 the greatest wars and liquidation of human life was foolish pride in nationalism. The Cuban Missile crisis which could have ended the world (we where very close to that) was caused by nationalism democracy vs communism, blue vs red, theism vs atheism. Its in the in and out group at play as always. So for all the crocadile tears you shed from the atrocity of religion you should be grateful you had the chance to be here because of a catholic man (JFK) chose discretion and a peaceful resolve to end the Cuban missile crisis.
Also it seams you love to be very literal with the bible and focus your attention at the bad parts of the old testament which was before Jesus and christianity, can you be any more biased? Narrow your goggle vision more please! Your not going to convince God he doesnt exist by pointing your refernces to the bible. Despite popular believe God did not write any books. He gave man instructions and of course man fudges up a lot. Why you don't think about this or use common sense and be reasonable about this possibility is mired in your desire for absolvation of responsibilites to the heavenly father. That trick won't work and claiming ignorance is not going to fly you will be judge no better or worse by your deeds then the most educated spiritual god fearing man. There will always be authority over you it seems like you like to lower your standards and heed mans authority as the ultimate authority. Maybe because you think you have a part or investment in your society and you too get to be a judge and be judged... hey at least you get to play judge and leer over the little ones below your pedastal you heightened with your self serving ideas. It's a nice trick and you're deluded. You can flame me all you want I probably wont reply but I will read so be happy and rejoice for you get the ultimate judegment on poor Llama!
Any on here who seriously thinks they are their own source, their own mover, their own master, aka God is seriously deluded and besides I never believed in Gods that go poopy in the night and tinkle thinkles after too much drinkies
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OK. Go ahead. You already said you would do this last week and have yet to have done so. It won't take you long to realize that at least three years of tertiary education in mechanics and biochemistry is a necessary prerequisite to assemble a proper response. But since you said you had years of study, this naturally shouldn't be a problem for you. On the other hand, you simultaneously claimed that you couldn't understand the posts in question, which means you either have memory problems, or easily accomodate doublethink. I ask only one thing of you. At present, your writing style is that of a third or fourth grader. If this continues, I shall refuse to continue this discussion. If your posts are incomprehensible because you can't write in proper English complete with proper grammar and syntax, then I can't very well counter, can I? Also, please ensure that your response is technical. A response which lays out counterarguments using mathematics and technical terminology is easily evaluated. So please feel free to go nuts with the equations and concepts. Forget metaphors and simple language, I don't need a science class. I've already had many, many of those. Far more than you have.
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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Hey Grasshopper, A question. Is any atom in the entire universe more important than another ?
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I want to know how zero evidence plus zero rationality equals a llama. That's intriguing.
i don't think their is a god. and i don't now how to put it unless it covers everything and llama if you want that ill give it to you. but 0 proof and evidence unless realizing you life in childhood has never stopped being a fucking living hell. if thats proof which i don't see how then this is not a god of love but like the song voices by rev theory which here are the lyrics
i hear voices in my head
they council me
they understand
they talk to me!
you got your rules and your religion
all designed to keep you safe
but when rules start getting broken
you start questioning your faith
i have a voice that is my savior
hates to love and loves to hate
i have the voice that has the knowledge
and the power to rule your fate
i hear voices crying
i see heroes dying
i taste the blood thats drying
i feel the tension risingall the lawyers are defenseless
all the doctors are disease
and the preachers all are sinners
and the police just take the grease
all you judges you are guilty
all the bosses i will fire
all you bankers will have losses
and politicians are all liarsI see darkness falling
I hear voices calling
I feel justice crawling
I see faith has fallen
love this song randy orton wwe enterance theme song and like it says i have a voice that is my savior
hates to love and loves to hate
i have the voice that has the knowledge
and the power to rule your fate
oh yea this is a song not my belief.
ps Llama you want what i mean by living hell i will tell you but it will be a long read because I rarely forget it my past events!
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Hey Deludedgod, did you post that monster of a response expecting your opponent to actually read it and learn stuff? Or were you just trying to scare him off? That's what I thought. Seriously, you don't go pasting Planck's equations or whatever on an internet forum if you're trying to get the other man to understand. I could whip out a bunch of Latin theology words and pwnzor your secular brain, but it wouldn't accomplish anything, so I don't do that.
Q: Why didn't you address (post x) that I made in response to you nine minutes ago???
A: Because I have (a) a job, (b) familial obligations, (c) social obligations, and (d) probably a lot of other atheists responded to the same post you did, since I am practically the token Christian on this site now. Be patient, please.
I do want Llama to learn stuff. I often stress that equations and technical terminologies should not be frightening. An equation, after all, is little more than a set of symbols to represent the equivalence of two concepts. Think of it like this. I have to presume certain amounts of knowledge on the part of those I debate with, such as the mathematical ability to interpret equations, and a fair understanding of physics, chemistry, and biology. If I didn't, the post would turn into a book, not a post. For the biology, I had to employ a lot of technical terminology because if I didn't, the post would be too long. I use technical posts often. I don't have a problem with the system in place I offer. If concepts or terms are problematic, I will clarify them. Do you want to know what "aminoacyl tRNA synthetase" or "protein allostery" means? No problem. Do you want to know how "F=GMm(r^-2) is derived, and the conceptual basis? I can go through that as well. At any rate, Llama did say he had studied this topic for years, so its only fair for me to presume that he does know about things like Cosmological Redshift, and Hubble Time, entropy, statistical mechanics, the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, etc. etc. You come across those things alot when you study physics and Cosmology.
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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wow you know dark ages language man thats impressive stuff right there!I swear! I think you deserve a cookie! but i must say i don't want another dark ages because i like learning and trying to gain as much retainible knowledge as possible but i can't remember names. yet i remember lectures doing sometimes 2-3 things while listening to the lecture so please lets not go back to the Dark Ages i want to have a shot at doing something and helping the world instead of using fear to ruin it all because of religion used to explain answers we can't know answers too. deal we not go back to dark ages? Presuppositionalist
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Then do it. Pwnz him like you say you can. Remember to site your sources.
Sounds made up...
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No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
A lot of what he said isn't that complicated, it just requires a bit of thought and research.
Stultior stulto fuisti, qui tabellis crederes!
How fitting, incoherent nonsense deserves a dead language.
Please, do so. It might be very interesting to see who else here responds to it.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - The Waco Kid
Can I quote you on this! Very good.
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
Isaac Asimov
You most certainly can!
Your argument is a straw man. the universe, according to general relativity, did not spring from nothing. It began with a singularity. We have singularities in the universe even now. They are called black holes. You wouldn't claim black holes are nothing would you? They have mass, spin, and some may have electrical charge. <edit> Oh, and I forgot to include temperature.
Additionally, general relativity is not now thought to be a completely valid description for the very early universe anyway. When the universe was extremely young and small, quantum effects must have played a major role, and general relativity does not take quantum effects into account. Given this, many (probably most) cosmologists now believe it is pushing relativity beyond its validity to extrapolate all the way back to zero size and infinite density.
The only truly valid answer we have at this point is that we still do not know what happened prior to, or during the earliest history of the big bang or where the big bang singularity came from, and we probably will not know until we have a correct and confirmed theory of quantum gravity. But we do have some interesting hypotheses even now. At the very least, we have no reason to believe that the universe requires a creator. As a whole, it may very well be eternal and infinite.
3t7 , Thanks for your "Bright" posting.
I think I may have got here a little late though. Everything I've said was probably already covered, and Llama may have gone back to the farm.
I never heard of the bang singularity being one of transition. It's not science books, in the lectures I've seen, this may be the first time I ever heard of this hypothesis. This is why I say what you say is not science because it's not proven to be correct or even leading theory of the bang singularity.
So you're saying this is no language in the english language to explain complex things to the every day man? I've seen video clips and lectures of the quantum physics and world explain quite well in common english and the quantum world is a world the human brain can never understand because of our limitations. I stand firm its your lack of communication skills rather then bleeding edge physics can only be understood in principle by those that tinker with it. No yes I concede math is a language one must master to understand and really no easy way to simplify for non masters but english is not like math.
What I write can be understood its pretty self evident no? Just look at all the replies to my replies they seem to understand what I say. You last post was too long and I glanced over the techy parts but I won't do that now as I seriously try to reply to it.
I never heard of any theory saying that there was something before the bang singularity, that's the problem I have with it. Scientist say that bang singularity brought with it as well space time. With out space time what you have is the dimension of eternity then what ever was before the bang singularity was eternal and material things can't be eternal. I also hear from science that before bang singularity there was nothing and you say there was something and that something was energy. So what should I believe.. science community or you an atheist with an agenda to push? I think science is more honest.
Whatever you just say stuff you don't even point to an example to prove what you say is real and not just rethoric. Give me example and show us why I'm so ignorant and flase about energy, mater and the bang singularity.
That we will see as I look into it fully.
well.... Llamas are a superior race of beings who incarnated to earth to study humans and simple life and yes I was told by all the other Llamas that I was retarded. They told me to go play with humans because a retarded Llama is in parity with a smart human. So I mind hacked into the internets and here I am, Bleeeat!
Sorry you lose here. You don't decide what's true by science, science decides whats true by science. If you speak the truth then science would have recognized and proven your hypothesis true enough to become theory and further scrutinized and proven more true. So either you say science has conspiracy to block your knowledge of pre bang singularity or you have failed.
Uh ok you failed to mention that the Universe is not expanding in constant rate it is increasing in it's expansion rate, that is not constant. If you took into account the ever increasing expansion rate of the universe as your constant H then it's correct but you didn't say that here, I had to bring it to your attention. Also I don't know but is there a predictable expansion rate to the universe or it can't be predicted but only observed that it's increasing faster? I don't know about this, elightned meh.
Does v=HD take into account that variable speed at which the universe is expanding? The universe is ever faster expanding and it will continue to do so even at past the speed of light. If so was the increasing expansion rate steadily getting faster or better question to ask is it predictable the increasing expansion speed. Kind of same question I just asked last.
Again is the rate of acceleration of the universe taking into account for H?
Newtons equations don't work perfectly they are not accurate enough for scales of very small and very fast. Newtons laws are fine when your dealing with large slow moving objects such as in the Apollo missions when man tried to land on the moon. It was accurate enough to make predictions on ETA and positioning. But when you get to the very small and fast Newtons laws become innacurate and will net you wrong results. Remember the expansion rate of the Universe if it was 1 billionth of a billionth too slow it would have recollasped if it was 1 billionth of a billionth too fast it would have expanded too fast for star formation. This right here tells me that if you're using newtons equations to predict expansion rate of the universe you will get the wrong results this rendering your entire calculation in error. You need to use general law of relativity for your calculations especially when you regress further back in time nearing the bang singularity.
We have discovered by means of measuring the redshift of supernovae, that none of these things are happening. The universe is not constantly expanding, decelerating, or contracting. In fact, it is accelerating in expansion, which is given by the dotted line on the graph marked accelerating.
blah this is what I get for responding paragraph by paragraph I get to jump the gun hehe. Ok so you do know the Universe is ever expanding a greater speeds. Did you include this in your equations? I guess I will see.
Ok so you're saying you did include the variable expnasion rate of the universe if your equation. I know that the expansion rate was never steady and one can only observe that expansion rate today. How do you know how fast it was expanding before you there to witness it? Science says the universe is about 13.4 billion years old no one knows for sure excatly how old it is. Are you suggesting that you can find the excat age of the universe using your equations or is there a fuzziness allowing for margins greater then hundreds of millions of years + or -? If there is a fuzziness I would like to see how this fuzziness won't fudge up your hypothesis that there was energy prior to the big bang.
The question for me now is allowing for your error of margin how will that effect your pre bang singularity energy. Current data says it's 70.8 give or take 1.6. There is plenty of room for error thus showing your equations will NOT result in accurate data. I guess you're saying excate data is not needed to prove your pre energy hypothesis.
blah see this is where you lost me. I'm not a physics professor and from what I do know about physics is that this is some amatuer physics. Those calculations of yours I can't get into because I don't have the knowledge for this and quite honestly I don't freaking want to! This crap bores the hell out of me and this is the kind of science Dawkins talks about that turns people off. The beakers and bunsen burner science. I'm not saying this isn't important, I mean it's very important lol because the devil is in the details but this is not necessary in this debate if your hypothesis is false to begin with. I would like to get this over with and look at your finale data. I will read carefully of course but when it comes to this kind of math I can't comment on it.
ok sounds good and I think this is where your hypothesis will fall apart. I will be jumping the gun again as I read and reply piece by piece but it sounded like because you can determine the age of the universe can you can determine it had energy before it banged? Eh I don't know but we will see.
Hypothetical yes forefront... lol its relative. Forefront is misleading because it lends an air of credibility it doesn't deserve in the eyes of science. Oh it's at the front all right but look how far back that front is. A very distant forefront indeed.
And here we are at the crux of your argument. You know you could have spared us the details of how we arrived at the conclusion that the universe is probably 13.7 billion years old. Well here is where your hypothesis fails and I will point out why.
You're assuming a prior state of energy because physcis is about transitions and your 100% correct. That is not the problem. The problem is you're ASSUMING that the laws of physics existed outside of the universe. There is absolutely no evidence this is true at all. In fact the default position science takes is that nothing existed prior to the big bang. Every thing else is a hypothesis including the brane hypothesis. Look you can't escape the fact that universe came from outside itself including it's own laws.
I think you're stuck in some catch 22 you're blind to see. Isn't it proof enough for you that the laws of physics don't exist prior to the Universe. Look at the plank barrier doesn't that show you that the laws of physics can't exist when the very forces of nature are not present? I think you're looking at this backwards something is iffy with your train of thought here. We also have the quantum world where you laws of physics you used to decribe the BB don't exist the way they are isn't that more proof to you that the laws of physics are only present in our classical view of our universe? So I don't get where you fathom the idea that the very physics you use to decribe the BB prexisted the BB itself. What the hell? I'll read on maybe there is more to what you say.
You didn't change the definition of the BB you just assumed it's a transition event. Again there is no evidence it was a transition we just have hypothesis. The only thing BB tells us is that it was there and it was a certain way beyond our laws we pegged the universe with and it expanded and cooled to eventually become the Universe we know and love. You're just adding new data with out the proofs.
You're proposing the false vacuum hypothesis to explain the origin of the BB. Again it's only a hypothesis and not fact and I don't see how you can claim any thing as fact with out the proof. Can a false vacuum exist outside of our dimension of space time? We can only observe that it exists with in our universe not outside of it. Yes virtual particles do appear to come out of nothing but that's all with in our dimension on this universe of this space time. We already have unseen forces at work such as dark matter and dark energy “bubbling” away doing it's thing. Virtual particles from false vacuum is a natural product of our Universe as is dark energy or matter. Can false vacuums exist outside of our Universe and it's forces at work. Can any kind of material force exist outside the Universe? We don't know but to suggest yes and to further suggest it created the BB is total speculation.
If you recognize this is hypothesis why are you so certain to claim that the BB was a transitional event rather then a creation event? About breaking the 2nd law it doesn't matter there was no 2nd law pre BB so I'm not concerned with that. I've heard about this hypothesis though not much about it. I hear more about brane hypothesis which I personally like better but I know it's only a hypothesis.
Hmm I understand what you say but I look at it differently and I don't know which is more valid, let me explain. The ball on top of shelf has more potential energy but not stored energy then the ball at rest on floor. They both have same mass and energies but ball of shelf has more potential energy because it can fall down but that energy is not inherit to the ball itself. The energy will be from kinetic energy from gravity acting on the ball. Am I seeing this wrong? Or energy states are not inherit on the object but outside of it?
Ok I don't know why you said it but the universe is NOT believed to be the BB after a false vacuum it's all hypothesis one of many and one that is not more leading then others. Because we can create a false vacuum in small spaces doesn't mean a false vacuum can exist outside the laws that govern it. Science is silent about this because it can't say more yes or more no that false vacuum can exist outside the laws that govern it.
By the way can the False vacuum hypothesis account for the finely tuned universe? What is the mechanism in the false vacuum that precisly balance the forces of the universe to allow intelligent beings like us to ask the question in the first place.
Empty space has no information, doesn't that punch a hole in your hypothesis? Then where did the information inside the false vacuum come from in the first place? The space inside and around the BB expansion was space with no information which is why speeds faster then the speed of light is possible? This doesn't compute. The space in and around the BB expansion was not informationless obviously. Also the expansion of the Universe will reach speeds faster then the speed of light and there in plenty of information in space time.
This is all on the assumption that physical laws of our Universe can exist indepedantly with out the Universe. Like I said science is on the default position that it can't. Where is your proof that physical laws are independent of our physical universe?
Those 10,000 words where all pure HYPOTHESIS! You can't come here and claim based on that, that you have the proof the universe is from a transition of a prior state instead of being created. The False Vacuum hypothesis not even substance enough to be called a theory of the BB origin. Tell me how can claim a hypothesis as a truth statement for science? Not even a Llama does that to prove God. I don't use science to prove God I only see science leaving breadcrumbs leading to God. I see the fingerprints of creator God not scientific fact that God did it.
1) I r Llama if j00 doont like it then LOLZ! Pleeze leave and plug that vacuum hole before it farts another universe on top of us.
2) Bleeeat
Ok I read what you had to say and that math part just flew over my head. I'm not skilled in math my skills are in other places that benefit society in different way. The False Vacuum hypothesis is not recognized by the science community to be a plausible answer to origins. But lets take it seriously and imagine it can be a good answer for origins did it answer origin question or did it just regressed a step. Where did the false vacuums come from, don't they exist in space time since it's material which means its somewhere in space also wasting time existing. So what's the origins of the false vacuum, is it another material thing? If it's material it will need a cause if that cause is another material thing then that's the cause of the cause? It will go on forever in a infite regress with out a first cause. Do you believe in infite regress? If you do explain what number effect are we and how we fit as a number in any effect after a chain of infinite causes that by definition don't have a first cause. In other words with out a first cause how do we get our second cause, our third cause and etc. What cause are we in what number are we? Infinite transitions is possible that means we have infinite energies? It raises many questions.
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