From the Horses Mouth, Sarah Palin
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From the horse's mouth
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Here's the other side: Sarah Palin made some policy statements in her run for governor, so we can see what to expect. She's pro-ignorance and anti-civil rights all the way, opposing gay marriage, sex education, and reproductive rights for women. No surprise at all, I know. Here are some answers that jumped out at me:
2. Will you support the right of parents to opt out their children from curricula, books, classes, or surveys, which parents consider privacy-invading or offensive to their religion or conscience?Why or why not?
SP: Yes. Parents should have the ultimate control over what their children are taught.
She wants kids to be taught only what the parents believe, which is a disaster for education. It dictates that the next generation can be no wiser, barring exceptional effort from the kids themselves, than the previous. This is an angle to give religion a trump card over science, and jingo priority over history, by making it easy to prevent kids from being exposed to reality.
10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?Why or why not?
SP: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.
The constitution once reserved voting rights to men, and allowed people to be held as slaves. So?
And this last one is simply hilarious.
11. Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
See Question 2 above. Do we really want stupid people dictating what people should learn?
Here's another answer from Palin that suddenly has more significance:
3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
Now, are you ready to hear this?
Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.The couple said in a statement released by John McCain's presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.
I'm flummoxed. Here's another personal issue that is none of the voters' business, that will distract the media from discussing the issues, yet it speaks directly to Palin's support for bad reproductive and educational policy.
Slaughtering of wolves-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpSjSeM6w0w
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State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says
SPECIES STATUS: Unreliable data, threat to energy development cited.
By DAN JOLING
The Associated Press
Published: May 22nd, 2008 01:26 AM
Last Modified: May 22nd, 2008 10:10 AM
The State of Alaska will sue to challenge the recent listing of polar bears as a threatened species, Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday.
She and other Alaska elected officials fear a listing will cripple oil and gas development in prime polar bear habitat off the state's northern and northwestern coasts.Palin argued there is not enough evidence to support a listing. Polar bears are well-managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation, she said.Climate models that predict continued loss of sea ice, the main habitat of polar bears, during summers are unreliable, Palin said.
The announcement drew a strong response from the primary author of the listing petition.
"She's either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading, and both are unbecoming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity. "Alaska deserves better."
Siegel said it was unconscionable for Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, the polar bear's habitat.
"Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," she said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this."
As marine mammals, polar bears are regulated by the federal government, not the state. Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne last week made the listing decision and said it was based on three findings.
"First, sea ice is vital to polar bear survival. Second, the polar bear's sea-ice habitat has dramatically melted in recent decades. Third, computer models suggest sea ice is likely to further recede in the future," he said.
Summer sea ice last year shrank to a record low, about 1.65 million square miles, nearly 40 percent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000.
Polar bears rely on sea ice for hunting ringed seals. In recent years, summer sea ice has receded far beyond the relatively shallow, biologically rich waters of the outer continental shelf, giving polar bears less time in prime feeding areas.
The bear's numbers rebounded after the 1970s, but conservation groups contend that was in response to measures taken to stop over-hunting.
Polar bear researchers fear recent effects of the loss of sea ice on Alaska polar bear populations. A 2006 study by the U.S. Geological Survey concluded that far fewer polar bear cubs in the Beaufort Sea were surviving and that adult males weighed less and had smaller skulls than those captured and measured two decades previously -- trends similar to observations in Canada's western Hudson Bay before a population drop.
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Are you kidding me ???
People are actually pursuing this ???
I know this gets said a lot but that really is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard of. Would there be two or multiple classes of students and diplomas? Would they have separate testing at the end of the years?
Where would they draw the line on 'offensive to their conscience' ?
They cannot have thought this through...
This woman is completely disgusting, and she has the possibility of being in the White House. What is the world coming to?
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What a fucking moron!!! (my response to question 11. )
Doesn't she know the pledge wasn't written until the very late 19th century, and "under god" wasn't added until the 1950s. Way too ignorant to have been governor. What the fuck!!?!?!?!?
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BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
What are the immigration policies for Canada, England and Australia in case McInsane wins? Any women on here from there interested in a mail order husband for free?
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i have a feeling you would have to come w/ a dowry
I sure hope not. I'm so broke I make a motherfucker look like Donal Trump. (a reference to the term "broke as a motherfucker. " )
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The U.S. is like a fat guy at the dinner table having a heart attack. If he grabs the table cloth on his way down to the floor you can kiss dinner good bye.
We are still sitting on one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
Proof, Paul Simon
Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Didn't you know that McCarthy was one of the founding fathers? Um, hello???
I am simply baffled at the ignorance of Palin. How are these people able to hold public offices and make it into a huge political party while I'm forced to live pay check to paycheck? Sometimes I wonder if I should start getting into politics (starting with my city and working my way up) in order to avoid having more people like her.
I can dig it. And I care. The rednecks who have been getting air time out of proportion to the weight of their opinion wouldn't apply their "fuck the world" mentality to their neighbors down the street; but I'll be damned if they're smart enough to see how it's the exact same thing on a smaller scale.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
Proof, Paul Simon
Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
That's what I'm doing. They want a regular guy you could have beer with? Here he is. A high school dropout that thinks deeply about social and political concerns in between making dick jokes.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
Proof, Paul Simon
Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
I remember reading about that - how bad it is that in the US a barely coherent dropout who's a Christian has a much better chance of being elected to public office than a PhD who's an Atheist.
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Hey, I'm coherent.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
Proof, Paul Simon
Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
Tomathy, with all due respect, this does have the potential to affect the whole world. McCain, if he manages to take 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C.; he'll have the U.S. and the whole world nuked.
Vote for McCain... www.therealmccain.com ...and he'll bring Jesus back
You're also not a Christian. GWB is barely coherent but somehow got a degree. I'm guessing money.
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BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
www.youtube.com/watch slaughtering animals
...makes me want to vomit. She is so utterly selfish.
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa
I've never gotten use to the embarrassment of being one of the human race. Truth is humbling ((( and stranger than fiction.
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Well, heard Palin speak last night and it got me to thinkin' about this thread, "From the horses mouth...", which further reminded me of this potential veeps jeebus jabberwocky.
So, it occurs to me that a new word is necessary to describe her type of diatribe, and since I've never been one to shy away from the word of the day, well, here you go folks....
Palindrone:
The squawking Sarah-like sound emitted from any far right, bible-thumping politician, whether spoken forward or in tongues.
....of course, not to be confused with 'palindrome".
Heh-heh....pretty good!
I watched her acceptance speech last night as well. I was killing myself laughing when she brought up the "bridge to nowhere" and how she "turned them down".
Last time I checked, Palin still accepted the federal grant for the bridge, they just never built it. Talk about revisionist history.
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien
Palin must have McCain's memory problems. Congress voted against the Bridge and revoked its funding. Palin claims she is the one who stopped the funding. Republicans are touting her "experience". I'm assuming that includes the experience of the time she dreamed she was in Congress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/politics/17spend.html
I watched Palin. Wow, another gifted smiling exaggerating, truth distortionist, fucking liar. Scary, and crowds applaud ?!!! Yicks. Such Fear Mongers these Republican fucks are. Eat Them!
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You’re traveling through another dimension. A dimension not only of Christian fiction and radical right wing propagandist lies, but of utter theological and ideological despair. A psychotic journey into a surreal land of lunacy whose boundaries in Christian myth, magic, superstition, fiction and fantasy know no limitations. That’s a church signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!
You unlock this door with the key of Christian indoctrination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of Christian myth and magic, a dimension of fascism, a dimension of authoritarian personality disorder. You’re moving into a land of both religion and recidivism, of god, greed and guns. You’ve just crossed over into… the Twilight Zone.
Wait till you read about her Rapture Crazed Church's connections to 'Joel's Army' of gun toting Christian Dominionists!
Palin's Church - hard core 'Joel's Army' doomsday dominionists for theocracy : Joel's Army 'Armed for Armageddon'
The 'divine mandate' of a gun crazed 'Joel's Army' Cult: Physically force Christian 'dominion' on non-believers [assumably at the point of a gun]
Palin's Churches & the 3rd Wave Part 1: History & Theology of 3rd Wave Dominionism to a bible ruled US Theocracy
Palin's Churches & the 3rd Wave Part 2: Docs proving deep involvement of Palin's churches in 3rd Wave Movement
If there was a God, Man wouldn't have had to invent him [reversing Voltaire's famous quote].
Good job on that one. I saw a little of the end of that long speech of hers. I was truly frightened by the tone/power of the speaker and the sheer worshipful looks on audience's faces. People were tearing up! The applause lasted for 10 minutes?!? They paraded the pregger girl out holding her bf's hand. It really freaked me out. I was with two others and we had to order a shot just to get through it.
Oh...and expatriation is a frequent topic these days...is that proving to be true for anyone else?
Not sure if this is what you meant but my wife and I talk about ways (though it is really impossible at this time) that we might be able to move to Canada.
Just yesterday she was looking at home prices in Vancouver, BC. She has an aunt there ans some friends. We went there last year and loved it...many problems though, like JOBS, she's pregnant, we just bought a new house etc.
We do say that if we ever have to use the phrase 'President McCain' we are moving out of this country....but without a lottery win the reality is that we probably can't.
Holy fuck! I thought Huckabee was a nightmare, but Palin is far worse. The whole situation is made compounded by her seeming like a sweet, beautiful woman. At least Huckabee was an outward extremist/wacko/douchebag. I think a lot of people will have trouble believing that sweet little Sarah Palin could be capaple of the kind of derangement it seems she associates herself with.
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
Just makes me more worried about McCain getting elected then discovering he's, you know, over 70 and could crap out at any second.
Vote Obama!
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
I know this is getting off the subject of Palin but is interesting so I thought I would post it here. I just looked up Todd Bentley (the pastor that leads the revivals for the freshfire ministries that is associated with Joel's army) + the word scandal in google. It's just too easy, all of these famous preachers are fucking criminals. Turns out Bentley had himself a sex scandal recently. Not surprising. He was also a drug addict, alcoholic, commited "more than one act of sexual molestation" as well as "other criminal activities" in his teenage years.
So anyway I go to a xian forum thread about the scandal and Bentley's violent displays in his healings, and one of the replies jumps out at me. So many religious people are so screwed up in the head I just wonder how they don't end up in a padded room.
Quote: Fraz_
"The voilent attacks on people took me back to Smith Wigglesworth days, where I recall a woman bringing her baby to him that had died. He drop kicked the baby and as the baby flew in the air, cries from the baby began. I don't believe that baby was hurt but I do beleive that smith had an awesome Ministry in God.
I watched todd on 2 occassions, the second time was to see if I was right in what I was thinking the first time. Though, sadly I was right, as even when you watch TV, IF you have the spirit of discernment, you will surely know whats of God and whats NOT of him.
Sad that sooo many was swayed by this and him."
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
Adnihilo , Wow, too cool, thanks, love that Twilight Zone parody. I am mailing that out.
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This actually scares me. At first, I thought she was better than McCain, but now...
This also reinforces my belief that my IDIOT countrymen (and women) will elect J.McC.
Just to add to Adnihilo's good stuff.
I'm not always big on Wiki, but I looked over this quickly
and it seems to be in good order. Not sure if Palin would
be classed as soft or hard dominionist. But from what I've
read here and there...she'd be one or the other. Worse than
southern baptist fun-duh-mental-ism.
Some good info with the link....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
There is also her involvement with these people who want a vote to have Alaska secede from the US. See here.
She has also been conected as a member said to have attended their 1994 convention, See Here.
Unlike some other states Alaska was bought and paid for in Seward's Folly in 1867 for $7.2 million. They have no basis for arguing they can leave, unlike states that tried to do so during the Civil War. We own it. The Southern States joined the Union Alaska was bought and paid for by the United States. Rethugs support property rights and capital investments for long term gain, if Palin was ever serious in these views she is also a hypocrite on their campaign stand of Country First. One can take whatever position you choose on state's right's but this party is Alaska First not Country First.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
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Her asshat church is also one of those that tries to convert gays:
By RACHEL D'ORO, Associated Press Writer Sat Sep 6, 5:18 PM ET
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
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Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.
Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the "Love Won Out" Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.
Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin's church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.
Gay activists in Alaska said Palin has not worked actively against their interests, but early in her administration she supported a bill to overrule a court decision to block state benefits for gay partners of public employees. At the time, less than one-half of 1 percent of state employees had applied for the benefits, which were ordered by a 2005 ruling by the Alaska Supreme Court.
Palin reversed her position and vetoed the bill after the state attorney general said it was unconstitutional. But her reluctant support didn't win fans among Alaska's gay population, said Scott Turner, a gay activist in Anchorage.
"Less than 1 percent of state employees would even apply for benefits, so why make a big deal out of such a small number?" he said.
"I think gay Republicans are going to run away" if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays, said Wayne Besen, founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group. Besen called on Palin to publicly express her views now that she's a vice presidential nominee.
"People are looking at Sarah Palin as someone who might feasibly be in the White House," he said.
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At least half of the citizens in this country will be more than happy to have a crazy person in office. In fact, they will insist upon it.
Obama seems like the lesser of two jackasses but I can't imagine him taking office. I don't think he panders to the fundies near enough to win. Not when his opponent is truly insane like McCain and Palin.
If parents had ultimate control over their kids, then incest, rape and every kind of abuse would be "just fine". I'm not saying the government should go banging your door down telling you what to believe either, but there has to be a limit to what parents can do with their children. We have enough fucked up people in the world.
And anyone who slaughters beautiful , innocent wolves is disgusting in my book. Fuck that shit. I thought this American wolf genocide was over with.
*Our world is far more complex than the rigid structure we want to assign to it, and we will probably never fully understand it.*
"Those believers who are sophisticated enough to understand the paradox have found exciting ways to bend logic into pretzel shapes in order to defend the indefensible." - Hamby
I heard on the Non-prophets podcast about the father of her daughter's baby. Apparently they saw his MySpace page before he took it down (I'm sure the rethugs made it go away. ) It said stuff like "I'm just a redneck and just want to play hockey" and "Fuck you all! " That probably wouldn't have done wonders for his numbers. By the way, at the bottom it said "I don't want kids. " Wonder how they threatened him to get him to marry her - threat of Guanatanom Bay maybe?
They make it like it's so good they're getting married, but I would say that's making a bad choice worse. It's bad enough they're making a 17 year old have a baby, but now having a 17 year old marry an 18 year old? Who the fuck is ready for that kind of responsibility at that age??? And what if they don't love each other? Conservatives, especially the religious variety are SO fucked in the head!
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The best video I've seen on Palin's church yet. Now the whole country just needs to see this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
WOW. This seals the deal for me. I don't want her anywhere near the Oval Office after seeing that.
The stench of sulfur is thick, and most every where. Sick 21st century schizoid people. The fact that moderates are ho hum about this stuff, is also why we see this psycho madness on the corrupt FCC TV , 24/7 ..... geezz, this obvious delusion of religion is considered normal, because normal is retarded.
Give me control of the TV and media to fairly balance religion and right wing propaganda minute for minute with rational thinkers for 1000 days, and see what happens. Come on, take "take the power back" ....
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Hey Thx, but you too can make up your own Christian parody version of the Rod Serling’s ‘Twilight Zone’ intro [click on it read his famous intro].
For the rest of my augmented version of the twilight zone intro go to a new article I finally got around to writing called Acirema Twilight Zone [click on it - I was finally pissed off enough to write a new article about the Feds not charging DEVOUT CHRISTIAN NeoNazis as terrorists for admittedly planning to assasinate Obama] or go to the top article on my 'Less Than Human' blog [cick - links open separate new browser]
If there was a God, Man wouldn't have had to invent him [reversing Voltaire's famous quote].
Adnihilo
Thanks again friend. Super site. Scanning the home page I didn't see the Acirema T.Z. writing?
I see you've written a lot on the Corps, which I intend to read.
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Thanks again for the nice compliment [without trying to sound too sappy;-] but ya can't miss that Acirema [America spelled backwards] Twilight Zone article right at the top with a red-blue map;-] I don't know what you mean by 'Corps'. Most of the articles are a bit old though as got out of the writing habit to instead do my Headlines of the Day.
Here's an old friend, Leland W. Ruble's new blog called Freethought Perspective - it's only [fairly] new to the web because he was the editor of a [paper] quarterly of the same name that he sent out FREE to 1000s of 'atheists, free thinkers, agnostics etc' for decades. It just got too expensive for him so I helped him out a bit advising him on what type of php blogs and portals to try.. There's some well known contributors there at Freethought Perspective like Dr William Harwood who has authored many 'anti-Christian' [or skeptic] books...
Do note that Leland also likes to print [or publish on line now] articles from 'non published' atheists, free thinkers, agnostics, etc, rather that just 'published' authors - so if ya got one or want to write one do feel free to send it to him at Freethought Perspective
If there was a God, Man wouldn't have had to invent him [reversing Voltaire's famous quote].
Thanks for the additional info. I keep this stuff in a folder .....
The 'Acirema' link takes me here,
http://lostvegas.us/LessThanHuman/?p=74
http://lostvegas.us/LessThanHuman/
"Corp oratism" Part 1 2 3 4
I did find it here, by googling the title,
A Rod Sterling style Intro to the Bible Belt Twilight Zone of 'Acirema'
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/15228
.... thanks for writing your stuff ....
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