Intolerence really bothers me...

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Intolerence really bothers me...

Its 2:30 a.m. here................ I got on one of those sprees of watching videos. reading comments, replying to comments. Getting stupid replies back.

99% of these stupid videos were Bill Orielly because, wow is he good at being intolerent.

I dont usually mind people having differing opinions but they should either be able to back it up, or don't disapprove of other opinions, preferably both. The only thing he does is back it up with his loud overpowering voice, and stubbornness.

then i went in arguments from there on the comment boards into individual argument fests and it just amazed me how intolerant people were. To atheism, Gays, etc... people literally backing their arguments up  about how its unconstitutional, which is absolutely incorrect. Then say something like since it mentions God and in the bible it says homosexuality is an abomination then the constitution says it is an abomination......... I don't need to continue. This turned into arguments about all kinds of stuff.

I am a happy guy when im not bothered by stuff like this.

I was amused when I saw Stephen Colbert handle Bill incredibly well by being very flattering but very sarcastic. taking away Bill's ability to shout. Bill eventually starts shouting about whether he is irish or french, just making him look stupid. "You know what i hate about your critics bill? They only credit you for what you say, and never for how loud and long you say it." Colbert.

I was very satisfied until i checked the comments and saw that a bunch of people were saying that colbert is an idiot and is wrong and shouldnt be taking bill as a joke and that he is a comedian not a logical person. So i couldnt stop myself from getting into arguments. I dont engage the argument i usually make a statement and then they go crazy....

I've been doing it since my team fortress 2 match finished. 3 hours ago....

So, why I posted this here.

Does anyone relate to this?

Should I just be apathetic and not care about it?
because people's intolerence is a big problem to me. But i feel like I get nowhere and I really want to not care, but the problem is i do care.

 


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Fox Riley is hollywood,

Fox Riley is hollywood, entertainment. The FCC, a branch of the rich, is the enemy. The TV is basically a private monopoly money machine. It needs to be changed asap. EAT THE RICH, enemy number one.


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So lemme get this

So lemme get this straight...

 

Your intolerant, of intolerance?

 

Look, just ignore the crap, and the people... or... kill them all, either way... problem solved

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Bill O

I love to watch this guy. You know why? He's the voice of people that just won't say this kind of stuff to your face.  Granted, it's probably for ratings, but he's tapped into something and exploiting it big time. You should be looking at him as an opportunity to learn how and what some people really think but are probably too fearful to say.  I guess he's a little intolerant, but in the grand scheme of things, aren't we all in a way? Isn't it good to be intolerant of a child molester or Christian/Muslim terrorists?  It's a matter of degrees. I am intolerant to some types of intolerance and tolerant of some other types. It all depends on what it is. Does that make me intolerant?  I lied to my mom yesterday, does that make me a liar? I stole Trident bubble gum from K-Mart when I was 9 does that make me a thief? I laid with a man a few weeks ago, does that make me a homosexual? OK.. well, maybe that one does but you get the point I'm trying to make....  

 

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Quote:I laid with a man a

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I laid with a man a few weeks ago, does that make me a homosexual?

 

No, but it does make you a hen.

 

Or did you mean you "lay" with a man a few weeks ago?

 

Sorry, but you just touched on one of my own intolerances - torturing language.

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Bill O'Reilly is the typical

Bill O'Reilly is the typical right wing asshat.


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The only thing you need to

The only thing you need to keep in mind, and I imagine you can allready do that, if you are well versed in online multiplayer gaming, is just that on the internet people go batshit crazy very quickly, including me, and, I dare pressume, you.

Thing is, you get very frustrated with someones angry, intolerant rant, and feel compelled to reply, and you get an even more intolerant, angry reply back. This can quickly spiral out of control. We all know what flaming and trolling is, but some people don't realize just how natural it really is.

We are all hidding behind a screen here, which is comforting sometimes, and then you dare say things a bit harsher than you might otherwise dare, and it is also frustrating, because not being face to face with the person talking (posting) you really really want them to understand your position, so you "shout" even louder: "How can you say such intolerant crap, you fucker?" and they in turn get more angry, et.c. et.c.

So whatever you do, just remember to step back from time to time, and examine your mood. There's no need to invest your emotions into a conversation with someone who is not being responsive. Just walk away before it get's too much.

But as long as you keep that in mind, go ahead and engage people. Sometimes you DO reach out, and get your point across

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I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:Fox

I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:

Fox Riley is hollywood, entertainment. The FCC, a branch of the rich, is the enemy. The TV is basically a private monopoly money machine. It needs to be changed asap. EAT THE RICH, enemy number one.

Rich or NOT our enemy is class warfare!

If you want a mansion and want to work 90 hours a week, I wont judge you for that. But to say that those who have more than us in all cases dispise us is the same as lumping all atheists into the same label.

I agree that the gap between the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor is lopsided. I agree that business can be carneverious. But I don't believe that we as a species have to disown all who have more or less than we do.

I work for an owner's son whom everyone despises because he thinks by throwing a paycheck at us, that will make us respect him. I can tell you right now that I am more respected at my job than he is.

BUT, that doesn't mean he owes me anything because he has more money.

Your job title and your clothing or if you have to wear a name tag or not does not make you good or bad, your paycheck does not make you good or bad. It is how you treat people and how you want to be treated.

Not all rich people are assholes. I do think on a national economic scale middle and poor class have to compete to put them in their place. But that does not entitle us who have less to lump every rich person in with all rich people.

I'm not going to lump a rich person who gives in with a rich person who says, "Let them eat cake".

 

 

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OT: Adroit, you and I have a

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Correction

 You're right Nordmann, I lay with a man a few weeks ago.... This english language is pretty difficult for a native Urdu speaker...

god -- I tried you on for size.... you were a little long in the crotch, loose in the waist, short in the length and you made my butt look extra flat. I had to take you back for an exchange.


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Wise Brian37, I agree with

Wise Brian37, I agree with you. I didn't invent the 'Eat the Rich' slogan. I use it in hope that folks might google it, and read the wide range of views for those which it has meaning, as I have researched. I am not a radical socialist marxist. My bitch is the  incredible wealth distribution curve, which can be researched as well, as you do know.

I believe a healthy society must have a cut off point at how rich one can be ($ figure ?) It takes society to become rich. Does a person owning more than say a half billion dollars create a positive contribution to society? What are fair taxes? Money in such high sums becomes a self propelling vacuum cleaner denying a greater happy world. 

I'm just a simple guy, but the system is seriously fucked up, obviously. LOL man. I sure like the way you yell at religion !


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scole665 wrote: You're

scole665 wrote:

 You're right Nordmann, I lay with a man a few weeks ago.... This english language is pretty difficult for a native Urdu speaker...

 

Shit! I was going to order some of your eggs. The battery hen crap that's sold in the supermarkets here are bland little things which would collapse on the plate if they didn't have a hash brownie to lean against.

 

Ah well, ek zabān kabhī bhī ziyādah nahīn hotī, as they say. Good luck with the practise of tongues ...

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Brian37 wrote:Rich or NOT

Brian37 wrote:

Rich or NOT our enemy is class warfare!

If you want a mansion and want to work 90 hours a week, I wont judge you for that. But to say that those who have more than us in all cases dispise us is the same as lumping all atheists into the same label.

All atheists should be under the same label of atheism, no? The ideology carries its definition.

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I agree that the gap between the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor is lopsided. I agree that business can be carneverious. But I don't believe that we as a species have to disown all who have more or less than we do.

In my opinion, this is the same type of thinking that allows the disparity in 'income' to perpetuate.

Actually, my harsher thought concerning this is: It is the equivalent of telling a rape victim... "At least you got laid."

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I work for an owner's son whom everyone despises because he thinks by throwing a paycheck at us, that will make us respect him. I can tell you right now that I am more respected at my job than he is.

BUT, that doesn't mean he owes me anything because he has more money.

Until you are 'downsized' or terminated because your respect from others threatens his position of power/leadership.

Ever read 'The Prince'?

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Your job title and your clothing or if you have to wear a name tag or not does not make you good or bad, your paycheck does not make you good or bad. It is how you treat people and how you want to be treated.

Sounds great on paper or... a message board. However, the practical application of this thinking has thusfar failed to get us over the last great 'hump' of human civilization. Blood diamonds, terrorism, employee layoffs to preserve profit margins and dividends for the investors to name just a few things that don't fit that model.

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Not all rich people are assholes. I do think on a national economic scale middle and poor class have to compete to put them in their place. But that does not entitle us who have less to lump every rich person in with all rich people.

If it were a fair competition then would it perpetually create sore losers?

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I'm not going to lump a rich person who gives in with a rich person who says, "Let them eat cake".

Why do the rich give? Altruism? Guilt?

 

 

 

With regard to the initial topic of intolerance, I am VERY guilty of this. I can hate with the best of them.

However, it is WHAT I hate and not who.

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Adroit wrote:Should I just

Adroit wrote:
Should I just be apathetic and not care about it?
because people's intolerence is a big problem to me. But i feel like I get nowhere and I really want to not care, but the problem is i do care.

There's a book that came out last year titled, "What Are You Optimistic About?: Today's leading thinkers on why things are good and getting better."

It's a book by a 153 of the world's leading scientists and authors who talk about why they are optimistic about the future. It paints the not too distant future as a more rational and tolerant world. Diane F. Halpern points to technology and the internet as one of the biggest contributers to a more tolerant world because she says, "Technology is bringing people from diverse backgrounds together....... profoundly changing how we think about each other and for the most part the change is good."

Bill O'Reilly is in a small way also a contributer to that more tolerant world because he makes people like you think about the unfairness and intolerance of his negative rhetoric. Then you discuss it on an internet forum like this one. Others contribute to the discussion and thousands more read and think about it. If millions of people are doing the same thing, it will eventually begin to change the world we live in.

If these 153 scientists and thinkers in the book are correct, a better world is just ahead.

 

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Bigots

Yeah, haters really suck.

What sucks even more is when I'M the one doing the hating. I never learned that whole "let it go" thing. I don't get it when theist crazies say it and I don't get it when atheists say it. The concept just bounces right off of my skull.

When I get aggitated I often times resort to attacking a persons entire community. Telling them that they suck is rarely enough, I have to convince them that everyone they KNOW sucks!

Which is really bad and awesome at the same time Smiling

When people attack the groups that I am a part of I usually get mad because they have A) missed the mark entirely or B) hit the mark right on the head.


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i guess your right

I was tired... really tired... and aggrivated. But yeah I guess i shouldnt be intolerant of his intolerance. That is contradictory. i should be mad at his stupidity instead, but i also shouldn't get pissed, and i shouldn't let it affect my own happiness, and i defi

Nikolaj wrote:

The only thing you need to keep in mind, and I imagine you can allready do that, if you are well versed in online multiplayer gaming, is just that on the internet people go batshit crazy very quickly, including me, and, I dare pressume, you.

Thing is, you get very frustrated with someones angry, intolerant rant, and feel compelled to reply, and you get an even more intolerant, angry reply back. This can quickly spiral out of control. We all know what flaming and trolling is, but some people don't realize just how natural it really is.

We are all hidding behind a screen here, which is comforting sometimes, and then you dare say things a bit harsher than you might otherwise dare, and it is also frustrating, because not being face to face with the person talking (posting) you really really want them to understand your position, so you "shout" even louder: "How can you say such intolerant crap, you fucker?" and they in turn get more angry, et.c. et.c.

you are very right.

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OT: Adroit, you and I have a couple of things in common:

  • I love Stephen Colbert
  • I play TF2 (I'm not 1337, but I enjoy it)

I've been thinking about changing my user name because people keep harassing me about being female.  I have a low speaking voice, so that doesn't help much.  I've been getting called a "faggot" rather frequently.  Dude, just play the fucking game. Smiling

 

I don't play in public games much, but i definitely will. my loginID is "oogman" screen name i used years ago >.>... You can add me and maybe we can own up a pub medic soldier combo style Laughing out loud

TF2 is great fun for casual players too, at the same time it has a competitive edge. I recently got someone into it who hasnt played an fps in her life, and she loves it.


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Nikolaj wrote:The only thing

edit: oops double post


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Tool- Intolerance I don't

Tool- Intolerance

 

I don't want to be hostile.
I don't want to be dismal.
But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
See
I want to believe you,
and I want to trust
and I want to have faith to put away the dagger.

But you lie, cheat, and steal.
And yet
I tolerate you.
Veil of virtue hung to hide your method
while I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your praise and glory.
Shroud of virtue hung to mask your stigma
as I smile and laugh and dance
and sing your glory
while you
lie, cheat, and steal.
How can I tolerate you.

Our guilt,our blame ,
I've been far too sympathetic.
Our blood, our fault.
I've been far too sympathetic.

I am not innocent.
You are not innocent.
Noone is innocent.

 

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As the great philosopher

As the great philosopher Karl Popper wrote in 'The Open Society and Its Enemies': "If we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." This refers directly to the intolerance inherent in monotheism, be it Christian, Judaism, or Islam. Just because a Christian, Jewish or Islamic fascist, bigot and racist hides behind the Bible, Torah, or Koran doesn't mean he's not a fascist, a bigot or a racist.

In a genuine quest for equality and freedom for all, religious and otherwise, too many are ignoring a most dangerous and primary characteristic of religion. Religious adherents or faith-based believers are inherently intolerant. Those who hide behind the myth of neutrality in tolerance are too often afraid of intellectual engagement that itself tolerates the intolerant. To tolerate any of the primary monotheistic religions, regardless if Judaism, Christianity or Islam, is to tolerate the intolerant and the most singularly destructive force in the history of civilization.

Understand intolerance in its many degrees and forms. To argue that some views are false, immoral, or just plain silly does not violate any meaningful standard of tolerance as the faithful want you to believe. An unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs is intolerance. There’s degrees and types of intolerant extremes ranging from mild prejudice, discrimination, dogmatism, bigotry, fanaticism, and zealotry that so often lead to hate crimes, violence and of course murder.

There’s intolerance of views or ideas and intolerance of actions or behavior. An intolerance of views and ideas ends up a collective morality legislated into law dictating what is ‘right and wrong’ for everyone based on the religious dogma of the majority. Today in America, the most religous country in the western world, the Christian intolerance of anything not Christian (that conflicts with their faith) is legislated into laws that are intolerant of non-Christian social behavior. The Radically Wrong Religious Right controlling America is vastly limiting freedom by legislating a host of harmless social behaviors as unacceptable and illegal. This problem is endemic not just in America, but all deeply religious societies.

There’s an intellectual cowardice about the very nature of religion itself . All too many ignore the rational reality of not just devout Judeo-Christian western societies, but Islamic ones as well. Religion depends on and demands intolerance. It is a requirement for obstinate and unreasoning attachment to any religious faith-based beliefs unfounded in fact. Intolerance is needed for indoctrination and continued adherence to religious dogma. If believers are not intolerant of other religious beliefs or non belief, these faith-based adherents do not remain devout members of their religion.

Tolerance is a trait that the devout monotheistic adherent cannot possibly possess. 'I am the Lord thy God and thou shalt have no other gods before me', saith Jehovah. Which means in plain English that whatever any given god and his clergy believe must be absolutely, positively true; and whatever any other person or group believes must be absolutely, positive false. Religion depends on and demands intolerance.

Intolerance is a requirement for the obstinate and unreasoning attachment to all religious faith-based beliefs unfounded in fact and based in myth [fiction]. Intolerance is needed for indoctrination and continued adherence to religious dogma. If believers are not intolerant of other religious beliefs, or non belief, these faith-based adherents do not remain devout members of their religion. The more devout the religious adherent, the more intolerant they become.

Religion, with such black and white absolutes from fictional god-given standards created by religious leaders, must make the adherent self-deprecating and dehumanized when the err; and must lead them to despise and dehumanize others in an intolerant and bigoted fashion when they act badly. This kind of absolutist, perfectionist, bi dimensional thinking results in the two most corroding human emotions: anxiety and hostility.

The trait of flexibility and tolerance, which are so essential to proper emotional functioning, is blocked and sabotaged by religious belief. For the person who dogmatically believes in god, and who sustains their faith based beliefs unfounded in fact, which they must to continue their faith, clearly is not open to change and is necessarily intolerant to the extreme....

Tolerance of religion is fine in a genuinely free society or a democracy. Sadly at the turn of the 21st Century, Democracy ended in America when Bush ‘took’ office bringing with him his born again Christian zealotry. Given the political Christian zealotry of God's Own Party repeatedly proven to have conspired to overthrow 2 presidential elections in the 21st century it would be very difficult to argue this is still a democracy, even if it could be argued the US ever was a democracy.

If there was a God, Man wouldn't have had to invent him [reversing Voltaire's famous quote].