My Beliefs [Trollville]
I'm new here and I just wanted to introduce myself. I do not adhere to the belief of Karma, any "perilous missions" to rescue humanity on behalf of a particular deity, superstitions, dogma, Law of Attraction, Ego, Satan, Christ, or God; yet I do believe in the existence of an After Life, reincarnation, and spirit beings. All the drama, chaos, and violence in the world can be attributed to the unawareness of one's own subjectivity. I later discovered that Albert Ellis, grandfather of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT), illustrated this philosophy through his work so I am also a big fan of his.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Well shit man, say something, instead of being a fancy word processor. Are you god or not, as you need to define g-o-d . Come on , what is god? That is the ultimate question , isn't it? Tell us what is god , please.
Is this not god ??? ,
http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/index.html
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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I don't rationalize life in dualistic terms. You are funny as you say nothing Arj .... you are a linguistic wimp, another shit sophist , who says nothing .... you are lost as you play your language game of nothings ....
Sophism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophists
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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You do not believe in God.
Are you an atheist?
Wikipedia- Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods, or the rejection of theism. It is also defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities, or nontheism.
Wiktionary- Absence of belief in the existence of God or gods. The belief that there are no gods, the denial of the existence of God or gods.
Dictionary.com- 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
American Heritage Dictionary- Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
Wordnet- 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God "ant: theism" 2. a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
Webster's Revised Unabridged- 1. The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. 2. Godlessness.
Webster's Third International- 1 a: disbelief in the existence of God or any other deity b: the doctrine that there is neither God nor any other deity 2: godlessness esp. in conduct : ungodliness, wickedness.
answers.com- Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/a/definition.htm
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/whatisatheism.htm
http://www.rationalresponders.com/am_i_agnostic_or_atheist
http://www.rationalresponders.com/agnosticism_and_its_many_misconceptions
Oxford English Dictionary- Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God. Also, Disregard of duty to God, godlessness (practical atheism).
Canadian Oxford Dictionary- disbelief in the existence of God or god
Merriam-Webster Online- 1 archaic : ungodliness , wickedness 2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity
http://www.evilbible.com/Definition_of_Atheism_1.htm
Virtually all of the best sources use the word "disbelief," Oxford, Wikipedia, Websters, American Heritage, etc, um.......
dis- not
believe- to have confidence, conviction or faith in the truth of something.
Seems pretty obvious to me. Yet, some sources stipulate that disbelief is a complete rejection and a positive assertion.
http://dictionary.die.net/disbelief
But, on what basis? Maybe we need to look at the prefix "dis."
Dislike is not like. Disapprove is not approve. Disagree. Discontent. Dishonest. These are not positive assertions.
Of course, you can also also refer to disappear, which is the opposite of appear. Or, you can, disassemble, which is the opposite of assemble.
Obviously, with all these contradicting sources, there's some subjectivity in the interpretation here.
Yet, if the dictionaries were applying the definition of "opposite" instead of "not," then disbelief and denial would mean the same thing. So, in this case, why do dictionaries say, denial or disbelief? Clearly, the most reputable dictionaries use two terms, "disbelief," and "denial," because these are not the same. Furthermore, if atheism is only 100% denial, what word would be use for the middle ground, agnosticism? We would have to change the definition of agnosticism as well. Therefore, I think we can conclude that it is more logical and it is the official definition that atheism can be disbelief-weak or denial-strong,
There was a small debate with another member, I think "Spin," about the meaning of atheism.
Apparently, everything requires some clarification. Stuff is complicated.
Ergo, Arj, you are an atheist. The dictionaries don't care whether you like the negative connotations of the word or not.
On the other hand, the meaning of a word is whatever we make it. So, if you're really pissed, you can join all the people who are trying to argue that atheism="the religious doctrine that there are no gods."
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Ooh, careful, don't throw big words around. You might get hurt.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
1. We are Atheists, in that we do not believe in any Gods.
2. Most of us could also be described as Freethinkers, because we share the general attitude to dogma and authority that is part of being a Freethinker.
Nowhere did I say or imply that "we are JUST free thinkers", I said most of us are ALSO freethinkers, as well as being Atheists.
WTF has any of that got to do with "not expecting everyone to respect our beliefs"???????
None of my justification for why I feel that what science shows us about the Universe is most consistent with non supernatural explanations is based on assuming one way or another that other people are irrational.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
Boy, you all are hard of hearing. I said I am a freethinker. I already answered this question several times Butter. Please just read the last few pages if your looking to get the same questions answered AGAIN. (But I'm the only one that sees the redundancy right....boy these definitions are truly PROLIFIC.... I never heard this beard fallacy that's about to ensue....AGAIN.)
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/15726?page=6
Come on. If your gonna contribute to this conversation at least start working with some new material. Better yet, try some NEW IDEAS.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Arj, I've scammed the last few pages, but I still don't understand your rationale on this. You've claimed that you're not an atheist. Yes, you've stated that you're a freethinker; however, how does this mean you're not an atheist? The two terms are not mutually exclusive.
Atheism is simply disbelief in a God. Clearly, you fit that definition.
If I've missed something, please show me.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
WTF has any of that got to do with "not expecting everyone to respect our beliefs"???????
Bob, you are a lost cause. Y in the hell would you use "strong" atheism with someone who wasn't even debating supernatural beliefs in the first place.
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Arj lives in his world of nothing .... why he is here is his dream of nothing said. Arj says nothing ..... His whole message is nothing.
Atheism Books.
Nowadays, freethinker is commonly used for atheists, but this isn't necessarily always the case. I wouldn't say that freethinker means more than atheism, but, rather, that they simply say different things. If you are open-minded and free from dogma and fundamentalist thinking, then you're a thinker. If you don't believe in God, then you're an atheist.
Do you not like the term atheism? If so, why?
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
1. The problem I have is that you call any questioning of why you hold the beliefs you hold a "debate". If this is really something you believe in, there shouldn't be a problem in telling people why. Instead, you started to offer proof as to why you believed your view was correct - "My mom's a medium so I know there is a spirit world". You started the debate at that point when you made the claim of knowledge. If you don't want debates, don't start them.
2. I'm not calling this a pass - the pass is what you've been begging for when you start a denate and then say you don't want one. What you're getting here is scrutiny - if you don't like what others are seeing, reexamine it yourself. Otherwise, I have to figure that you just came here to preach.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
From 'new eve' the website/blog/forum that Arj founded:
"In this forum, I do things a little differently. Unlike Atheism, Christian forums, and other fanatical philosophical/religious forums and chat rooms, you do not have to debate in a hostile environment where people spew irrational hate and rage. In fact, this behavior is strictly prohibited here. Secondly, you do not have to prove your case through scientific data, quotes from dead philosophers/presidents/scientists, fallible scripture or countless self-help books in which the author proclaims to be an "enlightened being with the 'magic antidote'". Lastly, you will not be ostracized simply because you have a different point of view."
*This speaks to the OP’s thought process and why continuing to discuss the subject matter with them will end in everyone involved getting nowhere.
***EDIT (Submitted before adding)***
Slowly building a blog at ~
http://obsidianwords.wordpress.com/
I'll try to explain it, but it's so natural for me, that I can hardly imagine it being otherwise. Regression therapy, showing past lives is said to be just making people think up the past life stories, but that's not the whole truth. The least known, but the most important thing on it are physical feelings and very strong (usually unpleasant) emotions the client has during a therapy. If he/she is taken through a death (let's say) by a drowning, then the feelings are very strong, authentic and must be repeated over and over again, until they gradually fade away. The stories of past lives surely may be imaginary and sometimes are (typically when a client sees himself to be John the Baptist or John Huss) but the client's uncaused agony the chair, and next phase (work term "leaving into a light" are genuine. This therapy is very tiring, both for a client and therapist. My mother did that, but now she has a lot of other work and does only critical cases.
So, we have the clients living often normal and happy lives, having suddenly a physical problem, under which a therapy uncovers a deep trauma, or a traumatic series typical by dying in very harsh circumstances, which didn't and couldn't happen anywhere in their lifetime or historical period. (for example, burning of witches) This fact forces us to consider an existence of the past lives. Now the question is how exactly it works.
(btw, a problems caused by a trauma in this life are also common, but often there is a series of past lives tied to them)
(warning: esoteric infestation ahead )
So, the occult/esoteric theory says, that the subtle bodies of a human grows around the permanent atoms. These atoms, etheric-physical one, then astral and mental. ("mental" simply means a realm of existence, like is our physical, not to a subjective mental activity as such) These atoms also stores a quality of bodies which grows from them every new incarnation, there is stored our progress in these particular areas, like emotional intelligence. After a death the consciousness leaves a physical and etheric body and uses either astral, or mental body, which I suppose can decompose too, but usually not immediately and maybe not even every time. All these bodies are just a vehicles for the consciousness of the soul, with a certain degree of autonomity, but their death, or precisely being reduced totally except for one permanent atom, is not a reason for grief. There is one higher body, called causal, idealistic/intuitive (as compared to mental, intellectual), but this doesn't get destroyed, except for one special ocassion.
The value of subtle bodies is in how well they can bring down to Earth the consciousness and will of the soul, or even a monad. All great people in any area of life, who did something great, or even leads a group of any size, managed to bring something of the soul quality into their work, and this is the technical basis of all political charisma, personal magnetism, or geniality.
One of several reasons why I consider the whole theory as functional, is that our group of esoterics amateurs had seen a numerous times an activity of the soul itself as an autonomous being, and appreciated this theory for it's usefulness for a communication with a soul. (which is one per human)
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
Arj, I think you are a "good" guy, and realize my real "anger" is directed at the general superstitious world view, which I have no tolerance for, and will not appease it. But I am tolerant of people as I basically understand our innate human nature of flawed thinking. I always try to be a pacifist, but shit, there is war and starvation etc this day.
I also admit I am a radical materialist atheist preacher trying to change the world view and the very definition of g-o-d. I like the atheistic buddha gnosis story jesus , and curse the xain jesus and god of abraham separatism thinking.
Reincarnation just means recycling as thermodynamics, and many progressive buddhist's have dropped the word all together, because of the silly folklore attached to it. Alan Watts is a mentor of mine.
I am an impatient agent of the Paradigm Shift.
http://www.taketheleap.com/define.html
In 1962, Thomas Kuhn wrote The Structure of Scientific Revolution, and fathered, defined and popularized the concept of "paradigm shift". Kuhn argues that scientific advancement is not evolutionary, but rather is a "series of peaceful interludes punctuated by intellectually violent revolutions", and in those revolutions "one conceptual world view is replaced by another". ( more
Thanks for mentioning sexologist atheist Albert Ellis, who's views on sex and religion progressed ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ellis#Work_as_sexologist_and_sex_and_love_researcher
Anyway, thanks for your posts and welcome to this xlint place of learning, RRS. Get "free er" ....
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Thanks Luminon, interesting as always to read your thoughts friend. I was hoping to get a better sense of pre life / after life , as you and Arj suggest, but I just can't, except to say all is eternal, and one, as themodynamics explains as to include anti-matter ( as some call "etheric" ), and the "Timeless Universe" model that Eloise mentioned.
Oh well, LOL , go science. Eventually the general "world view" will be that we are not "spiritual", that all is material.
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Thanks Renee , that says alot about our caring new appeasing friend, Arj.
Arj, read this, from RRS Hamby, and give us your thoughts,
Religious Moderation
http://www.rationalresponders.com/religious_moderation
Hey RRS Mods, why was the Arj site blocked? Just curious.
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That makes sense, although it could be the catalyst for censorship.
-no quotes
-no science
-no scripture
How would people on her forum debate at all? What about history, geography, etc? Are they allowed to use personal experiences and logic?
Okay, so I'm guessing they're allowed to use subjective evidence but no science. That's just great. Brilliant.
This thread now has over 300 posts, and, so far, it has gotten nowhere. Yet, she seems intelligent, and if she realized that she is not questioning some of her beliefs, we could make progress.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Meaning, people aren't permitted to proselytize with ANY of those sources, Butter. I said you don't HAVE to....I did not say you CAN'T.... just because you have a thought that might not be proven by scientific data doesn't mean you have to STOP thinking it. Like some people assume here. And it works the other way around too. Just because you have a belief that's not substantiated by Scripture doesn't mean you have to STOP believing either. That's the beauty of freethought, non-dualism, AND objectivity. Basically, I'm encouraging a more self-awakening/self-realization process (like Albert Ellis through REBT) not a debate forum.
And I wanted to add that that is what I was looking for when I came here. A place that was truly open to self discovery. Where you might show up with the wrong beliefs or doubts that you were too insecure/scared to share...but you can come here and just talk about it (Not bully or debate or intimidate) and see where rationalizing it goes. How do you get from point A to point B? You walk (you know what I mean for those who like to take everything literally). But first you have to be willing AND permitted to start on that journey. It takes both of those things to make it work. That's what the thread about dualism was all about. You can think your better then one person because of this and that degree and the other person will think you are better then him too...but in actuality that's not the case when it came time to swim (Life is like that. PERIOD.).....I call that the entrapment of dualism. It feels good to think your (intelligence, IQ, beliefs, material possessions) makes you better then the next person, above everyone else. That's y people don't want to let that rationality go but then you are blind sighted by a bruised ego and a dose of humility, in an instant, when you come to find yourself standing next to someone who's two feet taller then you. Practice objectivity and this can be avoided.
After a few hit and misses and not finding all that I wanted in a forum I just decided to create my own.... Thus, New Eve was born. LOL.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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I wonder what made you think we were enemies in the first place??? LOL. Anyway, in all honesty, by the description listed, I would've been considered a Moderate Christian BEFORE I became who I am today.... then I found out Christianity was a lie. So I don't believe in it anymore. That's y when someone asked me what's the difference between a Christian, a Jew, and a Muslim? I said I don't know. I don't know what the difference is. I DO know that the lie they tell themselves is all the same. So it is what it is.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Arj, I don't remember calling you an enemy, but if I did, I would have only meant in a general way, as meaning dogmatic idol worship is all our enemy, or to appease such ideas. As to entertaining ideas "not proven" is fine with me.
I've enjoyed your kindness, and reading your ideas, tho I disagree with some of them, such as "afterlife" .... Reincarnation???
I like a lot of Zen Buddhism, Alan Watts stuff. Here's a couple vids, I post a lot, you might enjoy.
"Wisdom of the Buddha" , 8 mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTsb-woP3jI
Carl Sagan - "Pale Blue Dot" , 3 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
Atheism Books.
Remember, Absence of proof is not proof of absence... and this time I got the quote right. LOL.
I think the more useful version is "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". This in fact can be false, depending on the proposition being considered. For example, the concept of an omni-present interventionist God.
IOW if the proposition being argued is something which is supposed to affect many aspects of normal life on many occasions, then absence of evidence for such intervention is indeed evidence that the proposition is false in some respects at least.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
did I word this quote wrong again? Bump that. I'm sticking to my own words from now on that way I always know what I'm saying. I agree. Yes definitely.
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So when I accuse you of murder people should just take my word for it? I don't have any proof, but why let that stop me or the police. We should act now as if it were true because you could kill again.
That guy had a gun pointed at me, so I killed him in self defense... What do you mean he doesn't have a gun. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
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To be human is to be born screaming in shock, to then live a life in awe, knowing pain and joy, and that death awaits, which unfortunately can make for a sense of guilt, fear, despair, and so the confusion, as we communicate our plight, stuck in this awe, we seek to understand.
It is the on going battle we all share, life itself, the awe, which I call gawed. Yes, in the spirit of wanting world cooperation, I do yell in frustration. Yet I seek no forgiveness for my human-ness, but I do seek the truth of what all existence is, rejecting wishful thinking of an afterlife, as I dream and speculate of how we all could live this life of awe NOW, most peacefully. The children are my greatest mentors.
Atheism Books.
Wow! Definitely one of your best, most poetic posts, IAGAY...
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
My humble thanks buddha Bob, as the truly prolific poster you are.
Dang, when will the perfect metaphor be written? Umm, hey, heck, we are all the metaphor ....
Atheism Books.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Life is a wonderful thing in and of itself - why mess it up by adding a spirit world?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
So it must have affected you, Arj, since you have been thinking about it so much, and it even got your sense of time screwed up. What a frightening thought, got your thinking even more confused that before. Careful there IAGAY, you'll have poor ol' Arj completely out of her skull if you do something like that again...
But seriously, what is the point of this comment?
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
.... which reminds me. I should have wrote, "wish of", instead of "spirit of".
Hey, Arj, "a boat load of emotion" .... yeah life on spaceship earth.
Atheism Books.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Arj, I was raised to ask what isn't god, which resulted in me rejecting anything that suggested mystic immaterial separatism ideas. I freely admit I am totally opinionated in my "awe".
You could say I am dense, as I the lack the ability to have honest "faith" that there was ever a beginning, or a non completely material eternal, all encompassing , timeless cosmos of bangs, black holes, antimatter, etc and whatever we might come to call all connected reality.
To me , to say "afterlife", just means the "thermodynamic principal" of never dying energy/matter transitions, but where our individual consciousness can not stay assembled. There is only one of me, and this short lived assembly of me, will eventually never be again, as is the I AM of what I am NOW ... but I AM still 100% GOD! That's how gawed works! I don't call this "belief" of mine "faith" ... but word definitions certainly make communication difficult.
The only honest "choice" is acceptance, and the only way to the "truth" is science, which BTW includes all speculation.
Well, there I've done it again, and said nothing much .... Ahhhh SHIT! I suck at debating ...
Atheism Books.
Only if you wish it to be.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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Ah, but it does. You can't seem to see the beauty of life without the addition of the spirits. How does that addition enhance your life?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I am curious too, LOL ... Let's never assume.
‘Cause you keep tellin’ me this and tellin’ me that...You say once I’m with you, I’ll never go back... You say there’s a lesson that you wanna teach.... Well, here I am, baby, practice what you preach...
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