Those damn Mormons...
Offline Okay, I need to rant. Forgive me ahead of time.
Personally, I don't get the big deal with gay marriage. I don't even care if you marry your horse, hedgehog, dog or picture frame. Care factor=0. But, the moral police (otherwise known as LDS) stuck their ass in someone else's business and got some stupid law passed...
I'm SO glad that people here in Utah are protesting the law tonight. They are expecting hundreds of people to line up at Temple Square and Capitol Hill (they have already started at Temple Square with their signs and whatever else... I'm excited to see what the local news says tonight). Of course it won't matter to the church, they feel as though they are above us "wee - people" who have questionable moral guidelines.
I guess what kills me about this whole issue is several fold:
1- Churches have NO right to stick their butts in politics (though it happens far too often) and lobby their personal moral flavor. Give me a break. The church is based on someone's dream and a guy with an overactive sex drive who LEFT the US states because the states didn't agree with their idea of marriage. Uh... anyone else see the hypocrisy there?
2- The "prophet" (or should I say profit) just gave a speech at their stupid general conference on creating unity and not division. So, the first order of business? Give a VERY divisive issue millions of dollars. Good job, morons.
3- The LDS people are praising the action out here. No matter how often they are told that their prophet (profit) totally contradicted himself or (actions speak louder than words) they don't see it. They WON'T see it, rather. They will justify it till the cows come home. Never mind that they have their own state to mess up (not even CONNECTED to California along a boarder). No, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the smell of gay-dom might waft into the Salt Lake valley when the next inversion flows in, thus offending the moral authority in this sorry place. Oh, and it will really piss off Jesus.
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- Sarah
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Who could possibly understand the inner workings of a fuckheads mind.
But, I am not sure exactly what is being banned. The big issue with marriage is, really, access to each others stuff right? Like access to your spouse when they're in the hospital, access to their wealth should they die, that stuff, right?
Is there a way to just have that stuff set up in a contract? I know you can do the will thing, but is there a way to have the same rights to each other that married heterosexuals do? Or is that the problem, that there isn't a way to do this that doesn't involve jumping through hoops that heterosexuals don't have to jump through?
Before anyone freaks out on me, I'm not suggesting that *any* legislation about sexual orientation isn't fascist. It is. I'm just wanting to see if someone can give me a straight answer on what exactly we're talking about.And I'm refering to someone who actually knows for sure, not just the rest of us that get pissed off because the government is picking on a group of people with the religious right cracking the whip.
Essentially that's all it is, a contract which also gives you other rights that the government and other organisations would normally not afford you via any other contract. That said, it also has a certain stigma with it, romanticised (for want of a better word) to be something bigger than it really is.
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
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I was walking downtown once and a group of Mormons tried to sell me a free Mormon Bible over the phone....it sounds ridiculous, and it is, I was as polite with them but burning to tell them that I don't care for any of that religious nonsense.
Sounds made up...
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Not that you intended the comparison outside of your level of interest in interfering, but I'd rather the idea of gay marriage--which is a specific thing--wasn't associated with bestiality, et al. While you're kidding in your examples, there are people who seriously argue the "slippery slope" and all that in earnest. I'm just saying we're talking about one specific thing, and the less opportunity we give for muddying these waters the better.
If I didn't have shit to do, I would consider joining some of the protests here in Los Angeles. The very idea of Mormons affecting the lives of people I know in a negative way infuriates me. Their arguments are that change is bad (arbitrarily speaking, of course), and euphemisms can cover bigotry. Saying "marriage is between a man and a woman" to deprive the rights of gay couples is like saying "a human being is a white person." That comparison isn't far off, since the church only allowed blacks any rank since the '70s.
Ban hetrosexual marriage as well. It's not something any goverment has any business defining. I think the gay people insisting the government sanction their relationship are just as messed up as the fundies. Do they feel they are living in sin unless the government hands them a piece of paper?
Do we need the government to hand us a piece of paper declaring us atheists? Otherwise not-believing just doesn't feel right?
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But EXC, we all the people must make laws, which means government ....
Marriage is as legitimate as any other part of the culture, so broadening the concept will have an impact on some people directly, and be a step in bringing the culture in line with the realities of society. As to legitimacy, you could make the same argument about family structure, dietary habits, entertainment, etc., whether or not they come under the purview of the government. Whether your argument is legitimate comes down to whether enough people follow you there. Otherwise, you've just got a artificial notion of society built on your own narrow prejudices. A cultural Esperanto. There are legal and financial benefits to marriage, as well, which you've likely deliberately overlooked.