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I am very glad to hear that not everyone has this going through thier brains.

I work with kids at risk, and they seem to have these thoughts. It throws me back to the middle ages and i wonder where they get it. I listen to the music and say...well thats one place. I look at their family and see...thats two. But the big questions is how do i teach them they don't need this crap? { I can't use a clue X4. No matter how i would like too. } And they are not going to give up on their families or there "gangster" ways. I just keep giving them the rational, logical, and socially accepted talks.  In hope they get a clue. Some get it, but only a few.

Some tell me that its the way of God and this is what he tells us. Right i don't think so.

As a young person, I must say that you are completely overstating the amount of misogyny in our youth culture. I don't think I've ever met a girl who thinks that she "needs" a man. In fact, I would argue that young relationships are healthier now than they have ever been. I think that the influence that rap music has on the mentality of young girls is extremely overstated.

I've never heard anyone use those words together in that manner, ever.

Well, I work in the human services field as well so I can field part of your question. I have not seen a study that is exactly like yours but there are studies out there for pretty much every question that someone has thought to ask. So it may well exist.

Even so, I do know that there are no loss for studies that are at least in the general ball park of where you are looking. For example, there are matriarchal subcultures where men tend to be the submissive partner who is kept around for stud service but the women take on all of the responsibilities of daily life.

In those studies, one interesting thing that comes up over and over is that the role reversal is nearly total. For example, women lose the ability to anticipate the demands placed on them by others. On the flip side, the men tend to develop what amounts to the same thing. Basically, switch the roles and you don't find “women's intuition” but you do find “men's intuition”.

How that might play out in a more egalitarian situation, I don't know off the top of my head. But then, the studies are probably out there and I just have not run into them.

  I think as close to as an example of a truly gender-neutral, industrial age society as you will find would be the former Soviet Union.  I am not at all referring to domestic roles such as romantic courtship, husband wife relationships and other quaint examples.

  Gender equality manifested itself in a much more visceral context.  The examples that come to mind were found upon the battlefields of two world wars.  Soviet women fought at the front line of combat...they were not only support staff operating from a safe distance from combat.

  They were behind the sights of their bolt action Mosin-Nagant rifles blowing holes in the bodies of the invading German soldiers.  And if they were captured they could expect to be treated with all the civility of their male counterparts ( ie, they would be "taken care of" )

  Others, in WW2, flew nightly bombing attacks in antiquated bi-planes to harass and kill the Nazi soldiers as they attempted to sleep.  Still others fought as partisans against the Germans.  These women enjoyed total equality with their men.  In the society in which they were raised having a uterus offered no immunity to immersing ones self in the more disdainful aspects of being a good Soviet.

  Even in the post-war era female cosmonaut, Valentina Tereshkova, was soon to become the first female into space.  On June 16, 1963 Valentina, inside her Vostok 6 began her ascent into the record books.

  Aside from her "first female" status she orbited the Earth 48 times and spent almost three days in space.  Also, with her single flight, she logged more flight time than the combined flight times of all American astronauts at that time.

  For her 70'th birthday she was invited to Novo-Ogaryovo by then President Vladimir Putin.  *While there she stated that she would like to fly to Mars, even if it was a one way trip. 

  *http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL0647601420070306

  In the slavic society of that era equality between the genders, while not above being used for propaganda purposes, manifested itself more in utilitarian terms and less as some quirky little measure as to their society's "progressiveness".

Dang, Annie, this sounds dead right to me. Q.F.T.

More than that I'd like to know if there are any studies into determining what is driving this sort of behaviour in X and Y generations, why so many sheeple? We could speculate all day on what we think is behind young adults abdicating their judgement, I see it everywhere, one especially frustrating example is doing any kind of business these days with young employees whose flawed and fallible deference to the letter of 'policy' overrides better judgement, to the point of insulting and offending stakeholders.  Yeah... this really hits a nerve with me, I'm sick of dealing with those who either can't or won't think, judge and decide on their own behalf.

I think the simple word of Spike is that yes many of the young people are doing just that "cherry picking" what they believe is the roles they want. I have not seen studies that i would call well rounded. Most of what has come across my desk, come from the poor sides of large cities. I think a lot of the young people i work with do not know a world with out drugs, and domestic violence, Hell half the kids i work with buy their crack from grandpa.

And yes women of my generation have been soldiers, scientist and business women. I know men who are home makers and raise the kids while mom have a 6 figure job. Its just unnerving to hear these kids talk about dieing before they are 20, or life in prison is the end game.

Yes as you can tell i work with gang kids and Kid at risk. Its nice to hear that this is now a small group of people out there now. I live in the back parts of the US and out here in good old New Mexico we are still behind the times by about 20 years. gurrrr!

My spouse is most certainly of the 'cherry-picking' lot. lol.

She openly declares that she would not vote for her own daughter if she ran for president one day. Industrial jobs are for men only. etc. The list of her misogynistic tendencies would blow your collective minds.

While I picture myself as being egalitarian. After all, I have a female lead supervisor for my crew. She's the best worker I've ever trained.

I treat my spouse as an equal and she hates it. I require many decisions be made by her. I require that she enforce discipline. I require that she have a working knowledge of our finances in case of my demise.

She hates every minute of it. lol.

She is definitely 'old-fashioned' in nature. 14 1/2 years concurrent and neither of us will relent to the others viewpoint. Yet we make it work.

I have another thread of interest for you, Miss Tesla.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/16560

There are also links in the thread that direct to other places where this same subject matter is a recurring theme.

Assistance in a formulated thesis would be appreciated.

  I'm glad you're pleased with my Sharon Stone avatar.  In the future, after I have grown bored with this forum and eventually leave, I will be comforted in the knowledge that at least I will remembered for having cool avatars...or something.

Are you three trying to illustrate the evolutionary libido argument? lol.

The avatar raises some questions, not about PDW, but about heterosexual/bi men in general.

Obviously, that scene is emblazoned upon the memories of many people. Do those same people see Miss Trammel as sexy, superior, equal, inferior, or what?

I included inferior because there are women who declare that a woman who would engage in that behavior lacks self-respect.

Their argument is that by displaying "unladylike" behavior then they are not only playing to the stereotype, but also enforcing it.

I completely disagree. However, I lack a concrete argument against the inference.

As evidenced by a great number of rational minds on this website, we know there are contradictory examples of the stereotypical male behavior with regard to sexuality. I can say with a great deal of confidence that many of the men here would be more likely to say something like, "Wow. Look at the brain on her."

Keep that in mind next time then! 

My wife is way smarter than me in most things. I'm better at math and sciences and technology, but that's it.

For a long-term relationship, intelligence is much more important than physical attraction.

I know exactly what you mean. It's usually that lack of mental prowess that kills it for me.

I do. It's just not so easy to find a smart on here. They're mostly crazy, stupid or both. Where I live there are bars and churches than there are gas stations. I don't mean the bars and chuches combined either. I'm going to be atttending colledge soon though, so I'll at least have a greater amount to choose from.

Let me try that again. I seem to be missing some words.

I'm not looking for women in bars or churches (or gas stations for that matter). The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing to do in this town. The only places people congregate is at churches and bars, and I am not interested in the people there. We have one coffee shop but there's never anybody there. We barely have a movie theater. I usually go to Lansing for entertainment.