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The number of accusations Christians level at us is astonishing. Most of them are nonsense (some of them, like “heathen”, I would consider praise). But I am curious as most of them are internally contradictory. So, which is it? Are we anarchists, whose belief system is destined to make society collapse because of lack of absolute morals? Or, are we totalitarianists, whose beliefs gave rise to the dictatorships of the 20th century? Are we godless communists, attempting to fly the red banner across the world? Or are we capitalists, whose lack of spirituality is responsible for an overly materialistic culture? Are we intellectual snobs, who lack emotion and care nothing for the emotional comfort religion brings (actually, I wouldn’t consider this a terrible insult), or are we hedonists, caring for nothing but consumption? It’s astounding, isn’t it? To think that these people can get away with simultaneously holding internally contradictory nonsense (which would still be nonsense even if it wasn’t internally contradictory).

 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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I've always wondered about

I've always wondered about this too. Ever notice how apologists will often cite Hitler and Stalin in the same matter-of-factly rhetoric about what happens under atheistic regimes? Mentioning these two dictators out of hand like that, as though they were the same type of person, is preposterous. Apparently the atheistic state is every possible evil combined, and then some - so evil that even the mutually exclusive evils will sit side by side at our whims.

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Quote: Apparently the

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Apparently the atheistic state is every possible evil combined, and then some - so evil that even the mutually exclusive evils will sit side by side at our whims

This reminds me of a fucking brilliant little gem by iwbiek in response to some douchebag (I think it was Paisley) blathering on about how atheism leads to rampant consumerism:

iwbiek wrote:

yeah, really.  i thought atheism was supposed to lead to communism!  now it leads to rampant capitalism, apparently.  make up your tiny minds, fundies.

 

 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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deludedgod wrote:It’s

deludedgod wrote:

It’s astounding, isn’t it? To think that these people can get away with simultaneously holding internally contradictory nonsense (which would still be nonsense even if it wasn’t internally contradictory).

I just think of how many of those same people take the 'written word', contradictions and all, as the inerrant word of their god, ... I am not at all that astounded   Smiling

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deludedgod wrote:To think

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To think that these people can get away with simultaneously holding internally contradictory nonsense (which would still be nonsense even if it wasn’t internally contradictory). 

Let's be honest: most people can only hold "bad" and "good" in their heads. If we ask more of them, it's like trying to get blood from a stone. Some people have decided that atheists are bad (m'kay) so the rest of it is retroactive justification of that "knowledge". It doesn't matter if they make sense, because they're only trying to explain what is obviously true, that being "atheists are bad".

In the case of truly stupendous minds, it might be "moral relativism is bad", whence come all the all-star apologists. Notice, though, that it's the same pathetic mechanism. People are just lazy. Enormously lazy. If they can pass off what they think sounds good, they will.

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HisWillness wrote:People are

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People are just lazy. Enormously lazy. If they can pass off what they think sounds good, they will.

It's a helluva lot more work being an atheist than a theist, to be sure. We actually have to figure shit out. There's no "God did it!" for us.

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geirj wrote:It's a helluva

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It's a helluva lot more work being an atheist than a theist, to be sure. We actually have to figure shit out. There's no "God did it!" for us.

On the other hand, we don't have to come up with insane rationalizations for ancient stories. It's a shame all that energy can't be harnessed for peaceful purposes.

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HisWillness wrote:geirj

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geirj wrote:

It's a helluva lot more work being an atheist than a theist, to be sure. We actually have to figure shit out. There's no "God did it!" for us.

On the other hand, we don't have to come up with insane rationalizations for ancient stories. It's a shame all that energy can't be harnessed for peaceful purposes.

Maybe we should invent a new religion in which people get in to heaven by being a good person.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

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spike.barnett wrote:Maybe we

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Maybe we should invent a new religion in which people get in to heaven by being a good person.

Ah-Hahahahahahahahaha!

Hehe.

Ha!

Huh.

Whoo.

Oh. That's fresh.

...

Yeah, that would never fly.

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