Hi I'm new here and really confused.

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Hi I'm new here and really confused.

Hello

I'm 17 years old and was brought up in a very very strict fundamentalist home. I live in New Zealand, which is actually officially a non-religous country.

I went through a very hard time just recently but particularly last year which resulted in a suicide attempt and then leaving home....

Even though I'm also a member of Ex-christian.net and Athiest nexus, I decided to join this forum also because of the effect the Rational Response Squad actually had on my doubts in 2008.

At the time I wasn't really a christian, but was actually in the process of researching most other religions behind my parents back. At the same time the pastor of the church I used to go to also introduced us to what I"m sure you've all heard of.. "The Way of the Master" by Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort.

No one around me was aware of everything that was going on in my mind at the time, and I was getting really confused, and beleive it or not, watching that series kind of helped because I realized how futile their arguments were. So while watching and meant to be learning how to witness to people (I was forced to do it but I only did it once), I did some quick googling and came across the Debate between Ray and Kirk and the Rational Response squad over the existence of god. That was what did it for me.

After that I emailed Ray and Kirk and debated the subject out with one of their staff members for about 6 months.... she didn't sway me one little bit, however I'm still very confused.

After being in a very protected environment with no tv, radio, magazines, newspapers, or internet(except when I managed to use it behind my parents backs), long skirts no longer than mid calf length, and doing an education of ACE up until now, I'm finding that its hard to stop being really scared that hell could possibly exist, even though I don't really beleive it.

Thanks to Ex-christian.net, I managed to handle another couple of months at home, until my parents found out about Ex-c. I was banned from the internet, and that was really really hard.

However I still managed to hack my mothers password and use the internet at night, and that was where my search continued. That stopped soon afterwards cos my parents figured out what was going on.

I have 2 sisters and a brother as well, but they are still devout Christians and always will be.  So while I was struggling with all of this, and deconverting, and still am, I planned to leave home.

The person I was still debating about god and the bible and whom I trusted so much told my parents of my plans, and I couldn't do it. But I did tell my dad I was an atheist, and he immediately kept preaching full on at me for 3 weeks until I reconverted, and I really did try, but it didn't work. And that was because it simply isn't true.

After this, the pastor kept doing studies with me and I kept throwing endless questions at him that he couldn't answer, especially the fact that the bible has no historicity behind it... but he still talked me into getting baptized. I knew I was wasting time and I really didn't want to go through with it. Little did I know that a week later I would be nearly dead, but surviving, my parents wouldn't notice, and when they did I would be sent to my pastor's place.

I attempted suicide on the 11 December 2008 by drinking a large amount of the most powerful cleaning bleach you can get over here in NZ. It burnt my throat and I still suffer side effects because of it.

I was vomiting constantly for about 48 hour after, and my family didn't notice, probably because they were getting ready for my sisters 21st birthday. AT that stage I had my first job and I told my employers everything, they totally understood. I went to my sister's birthday on the 13 Dec, and struggled through it. I was told by a few people afterwards they could see I was struggling.

On Sunday I went to church, and participated as if it was all real to me, but these 7 year olds asked me that day "Why do you not want to go to church?". So I realized. They know whats going on, but the Pastor and my family don't?

The next day I was really desperate for help so I rang the crisis youth workers, they insisted on ringing my parents even though I begged them not to. I walked inside and found my mother talking on the phone. 2 minutes later my father wanted to see me. I went into the lounge and didn't say anything, instead I let my depression show to them for the first time. They sent me to my pastor's place where I sat and told the pastor and his wife absolutely everything.. including a long history of physical abuse.

But I didn't tell him I'd attempted suicide. At the end of a long 2 hours he said to me "your problem is spiritual, and Jesus can help you" I just felt my head almost explode and even though I didn't, I wanted to shout "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

A week later I went to see my flute teacher, and she let me use the internet. A couple of mates from Ex-c.net told me I needed to leave, and they suggested catching the bus, which is exactly what I did. I got up at 6.00, waited till the pastor had left at 6.30 for his prayer meeting, and then ran. It worked.

I'm still trying to understand why my parents disowned me because of all of this, as well as trying to work out where I stand so far as what I beleive is concerned. I'm attending a public school for the first time in my life, and I have to face bullying because I'm a class behind and because I didn't know who Harry Potter is.

I know this is a really long story, and I've left quite a bit out of it. But I just wanted to explain why I'm here, and what I'm struggling with.

 

Thanks.

 


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Welcome. I'm srory you had

Welcome. I'm sorry you had to see the seedy side of humanity. Remember that your family, even though they may never understand you, likely still love you. The best thing you can do for yourself and for your family is to better yourself. Go to college, find a good career, and get on with your life. Once you have stabilized your situation, I would invite your family back into your life, with the understanding that they are not welcome to badger you on religious issues.

And, trust me, you've already lived through the only hell there is. Don't let these delusions poison the rest of your life.

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Hello there, Welcome to the

Hello there,

 

Welcome to the site.

Well, not sure what to say to all that, except that I have to commend you on your courage for struggling through and taking your life into your own hands. Quite a few ex-christians on the forum, so I'm sure some might be able to help you understand your parents and your own beliefs a little better.

Or you can just hang out here and have some fun.

All the best,

 


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Welcome to the forum!Your

Welcome to the forum!

Your post made me really sad.

If there's anything we can do...

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


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That's a pretty terrible

That's a pretty terrible story. You have my sympathies; I hope that your situation has and continues to improve.

 

Also, you'll have to forgive me if this sounds insensitive (I'm not trying to be a dick)... but, drinking bleach!? Fuck, there needs to be published materil on methods for painlessly taking one's life; people who don't understand the principles try something like you just did, which at worst will leave you alive and with major complications to deal with on top of your depression (I'm hardly encouraging suicide, but for the sake of educating, such tools simply should be made available).

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"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

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butterbattle wrote:Welcome

butterbattle wrote:

Welcome to the forum!

Your post made me really sad.

If there's anything we can do...

Yeah, I'm sure we can come up
with a way to end you misery.


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Shut the fuck up, Treat.

Shut the fuck up, Treat.


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lol

lol


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Welcome. And thanks for your

Welcome. And thanks for your story, the bits of it you shared. I think you made the right decision in running. Sometimes the only way out of a bad situation is to leave it.

I hope you stick around, and I hope we can help, even if it's just demonstrating that you're not alone. Good luck.

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crazymonkie wrote:Shut the

crazymonkie wrote:

Shut the fuck up, Treat.

Agreed. I don't see why he's still here. He's every bit as corrosive to the forum as Matt was. Well, maybe he's not that bad.

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treat2 wrote: Yeah, I'm

treat2 wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure we can come up with a way to end you misery.

English Fail

Again...

Is there anything you do well?

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I'm sorry for what you had

I'm sorry for what you had to endure, but on the brighter note - life could only get better now. Smiling


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Fanas is right. Now that

Fanas is right. Now that you're out of that environment things will improve. It'll improve more when you're out of school.

Edit: Just for clarity, I meant that particular school. I don't mean you should stop educating yourself.

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:3

On the bright side, starting from something like that means that the world is going to be an amazing place for you to explore!

 

Laughing out loud

 

I've had rough times myself, but starting poorly just means about everything is an improvement. And you should speak to a doctor about the bleach issue, you may have problems internally that need to be addressed. Even if it has been a year.

 

Welcome to the board though :3

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Welcome . . .

 

 

   . . . aboard Cheeky Chimp.  Cute name by the way.  Hope to hear that things are looking up for you now.  Write us again soon please, we are concerned.

 

                                                           


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Hello again, Thanks for

Hello again,

 

Thanks for your comments, the majority of them are useful Smiling.  I'm working through a lot of stuff and coming to terms with a lot as I've already said, so yeah it seems to take forever to make any progress.

I"m struggling with bullying at school etc... and its not easy, but now that i've found a few places I can come back to its really good.

 


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Welcome. It really can only

Welcome. It really can only get better for you, just so you know. But you live in New Zealand, which is one of the most gorgeous places in the world. Sorry to hear about your rough start. The other students are probably jealous that you have a uniqueness that they don't -- I wouldn't worry too much about it.

And ignore treat. He's trying to get banned for some reason.

For fuck's sake, treat. Could you not be an insensitive prick for just a second? Pick on me or something, not someone who just admitted a suicide attempt.

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