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New ' Prisoners Abuse ' photographs Emerge Despite US Bid to Block Publication
Posted on: May 16, 2009 - 2:13am
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New ' Prisoners Abuse ' photographs Emerge Despite US Bid to Block Publication
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I believe that on NPR I heard an item stating that Obama has flip-flopped on the continued use of miltary tribunals, as well.
His "I'm not Bush" veneer seems to be crumbling. Ha ha, what's next, will he reverse his position about being black ?
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The truth shall set you free. We just need to bring the architects to justice and show that we'd changed our practices. Fucking Bush, still haunting us!
god -- I tried you on for size.... you were a little long in the crotch, loose in the waist, short in the length and you made my butt look extra flat. I had to take you back for an exchange.
I'm glad we live in a nation with christian values...
I should hope that no one here is naive enough to have believed his pre-election claims. Like all politicians he talks a good talk, but does not deliver on his promises. The way he so quickly embraced militarism did surprise me though. I thought that he might actually want to de-escalate conflicts in Iraq and Afganistan. Of course it turns out that he advocates increasing military funding and he wants to send more troops to die needlessly in these foreign wars and he wants to increase the size of the military and he wants more legislation like the GIVE act to make mandatory civilian service for national security purposes. I could go on ranting about how Obama is a war-hawk who is as hostile to our civil liberties as Bush was, but I think we get the picture.
Here's a quick video about Obama's views on mandatory civilian defense/volunteer service:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=player_embedded
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
enough to believe his pre-election claims. Well for one thing that I would like to point out,is that all US president after WWII would have been hung for violating the principle's of the Nuremberg trials, the lead prosecutor at the Nuremberg trial's warned the President,that unless we (US) followed the same rules that we have laid out for a Nation-State , we would also drink from the same poisonous chalice that Germany has done. And then there is also the fact that the US is by far,the leading arms dealer,hence, all US presidents, are the largest dealers.Our system of government is built for self destruction. I have never had any delusions about JFK or OBAMA,and I believe that it all has to do with my understanding that there is NO GOD and NO MASTERS,we have always been ruled by a certain class of intellectuals that want to keep the barbarians at the gate. After that said, I still believe that Obama is by far a better president than Bush.Bush was the worst president in US history,he rolled back so many environmental laws that has been very damming to people living near a coal company,by letting them dump their waste into streams in west Virgina, were people are so poor that they would get their dinner from fishing these streams,but thanks to Bush the fish are dying.Bush also tried to privatize Social Security and stop many social programs that helped out the veterans and the less fortunate ,Bush really hated the poor in our country. Robert Kennedy wrote a good book about Bush's crimes,"Crimes against Nature" he really laid out ,how Bush's agendas have increased air and water pollution in just about all US states. I almost forgot ,Bush used to say that Global Warming is not a fact,with all of the sciences at his finger tips,that was his worst crime.
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Fuck yeah. Major, major props to the Aussie press for doing their job.
On the issue of Obama's stance on military action: I actually agree with his stance on Afghanistan. That situation is becoming increasingly dangerous, and simply trying to reason the Taliban or radical Al Quaeda cells down will not likely work. Now, I diagree that deploying conventional military forces to handle the situation is a winning strategy; ideologies aren't something than can be blown away with depleted uranium shells. You have to fight them with other ideologies.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Guys, I'm telling you... Obama knows what he's doing. He wants these guys punished, and he knows it can't be done on U.S. soil.
(And by the way, if you accuse me of having blind faith that we finally have a decent man with enough intelligence to get something good done, I'll concede the point and accept my theist badge. But I really want it to be true.)
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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...But I do not see how punishing them through another judicial system is possible. I mean, who is going to come and get them and how could they possibly do that?
Well, no, I don't think you're blind (it's obvious enough that someone decided to leak out the photos, and odds are it wasn't a someone from the Bush/Cheney administration), but I don't understand the intelligence behind this strategy. Let's say a bunch of UN member nations decided that they wanted to put former administration officials on trial in the international criminal court for war crimes. How could they get ahold of Bush or Cheney? If your legal system hasn't found them guilty of anything, aren't more or less bound to protect them from extradition?
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Again, I think Obama's doing the best he can with the hand he's been dealt. He certainly or almost certainly has no chance of bringing these people to any meaningful justice in America. However, as I mentioned in another thread, these folks are all part of a very big international "syndicate" for lack of a better word that is closely tied into a lot of very, very powerful Middle Eastern people.
Justice doesn't always have to be in front of a jury. Can you imagine the real impact of the Bush family losing favor with the people who control the oil industry? The only people who can deal with a family as powerful as the Bush family is a more powerful family or organization who has the power to ruin them internationally.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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blind faith that we finally have a decent man etc. No doubt about it ,Obama is a decent man,but he reminds me of Jimmy Stewart's character in the movie "Mr Smith Goes to Washington",not matter how hard he tries,he can't change the system.
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Incidentally, here's a link to Greta Christina's blog, where she gives a very compelling argument for why the Bush administration wanted to torture in the first place:
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2009/04/torture-iraq-propaganda.html
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
http://hambydammit.wordpress.com/
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Here's a question that is somewhat off topic.
I was wondering if putting panties on someone's head is considered by anyone here to be "torture".
Granted, wearing funky panties on your head could be disorienting, and for some guys it could give them a hardon, but is it torture?
I've doubts about this.
Perhaps being forced to breath through my 3 day old sneaker socks, would REALLY drive someone nuts, but panties?
And would it matter if the panties clean or used?
compelling argument for why the Bush administration wanted to torture in the first place. Well I read the blog and I seriously doubt that it was done for propaganda purposes,although I think that propaganda is used to it's fullest extent in our society,(check out Noam Chomsky's 'Propaganda and the Public mind' for further reading about propaganda)Quote: The logic is clear "Propaganda is to a Democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. Did you ever read or listen to Jane Mayer ? she wrote a good book on the subject www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/books/review/Brinkley-t.html The Dark Side:the inside story of how the war on terror turned into the war on American Ideals.
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"I've yet to witness circumstance successfully manipulated through the babbling of ritualistic nonsense to an imaginary deity." -- me (josh)
If god can do anything, can he make a hot dog so big even he can't eat all of it?
That's harsh!
By that logic it be torture to force an Evangelist to wear a skull cap.
BTW. If a Theist such as a Muslim is interrogated with Atheist arguments and
Atheists doing the interrogation, wouldn't you also think that the entire world would also scream how torture by Atheists is MORE horrendous than putting panties on a Theist's head?
After all, do you think the world regards Atheists in any higher degree than panties or even worn or soiled panties?