People are still morons
Posted on: June 15, 2009 - 1:13am
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People are still morons
Joseph Carnevale made an awesome sculpture out of roadside construction barrels made out of cheap fucking plastic. Naturally... cops decide he needs to be arrested for wrecking the plastic barrels. 
Note that A) the sculpture could've still done the same job, B) the barrels are a dime a dozen bullshit, C) the sculpture could've been sold afterward for much more that the collective worth of the barrels.
Human beings really are retarded.
"NO! NOT MY BARRELS!!!! NOW WHOSE GONNA REPLACE THEM!!!@@@@??@?@ SHIT COSTS LIKE 10 BUX!!!!"
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Actually those are quite expensive
http://www.wctproducts.com/traffic_drum_list_page.htm#drum4
Apperently the cheapest one with reflective stripes [as shown on the pic] is $33.06 thought they can go as high as $60.89
but I don't know my barrel models to tell which are from the sculpture.
It's a cools sculpture though.
Oh no! THIRTY WHOLE DOLLARS!!!
HOOW EVER WILL THEY BE ABLE TO REPLACE THEM!!!???
That sculpture would go for, what... 500, easy? It looks like it took 7 barrels tops to make, and you know that the construction company didn't buy the barrels at retail price. So 210.00 max in construction materials. So they missed out on about 300.00 profit (A WHOLE NEW SET OF SHINY BARRELS!!!) so they could throw a fit.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Oh yeah. And now, on top of that, their 210.00 worth of barrels must be costing the municipality a pretty penny indeed, as they have to fork out the legal expenses involved in arresting and prosecuting the artist.
TOTALLY WORTH IT MAN!!!
Fuck. It's like when kids get arrestedfor lifting a 1-2 dollar chocolate bar. Are you fucking kidding me? Just having the cops go and pick the kid up is wasting hundreds of times the value (any way you want to slice it) of the stupid candy.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
While I agree that people are and probably always will be morons... There has to be punishment for wrong doing. If you don't enforce the law why would people follow it? The mere chance of getting arrested is enough to keep some would be thieves from stealing. If theft became legal or unenforced I would expect it to happen a lot more frequently.
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To add to Kevin's thought: Furthermore, they could have kept it intact and sold it as a piece of art and made their money back, easily.
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This does raise the question as to why the artist didn't purchase them himself.
Answered your own question...
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Exactly my point. I don't care weather it's art or not, it also vandalism. I bet Kevin wouldn't like it very much if the artist had cut up his car and made a sculpture out of it. The point is, the property was not his. Going around altering other people's property is not acceptable behavior.
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The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
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I don't understand your argument. You're saying it's ok to vandalize property if it makes something "cool?" So you don't care if I go to your house with cans of spray paint and tag the outside of it making "art," which you might not like, but I do? Cans of paint remover are dimes a dozen. Have fun cleaning up my self expression.
One of the penalities of being a "a local thrill seeker and graffiti artist," is you'll most likely get caught eventually. He broke the law, he got caught, wah wah wah. I heard robbing banks are a great thrill-seeking activity.
Did you even read the article, or did you just look at the jpeg?:
"“I’ve always been creative artistically, and lately I’ve come to really not like rules,” U Live and You Burn said. “So I try and break them at every opportunity.”"
He's a moron. You're calling people retards for defending property and enforcing the law. Clueless.
I agree with The Flying Spaghetti Monster, this guy is a self admitted thief. His art work is very creative and cool but he needs to buy his own supplies. Those barrels cost money, someone elses money. I hope he figures out how to be artistic on his own dime.
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But why should they have to do that? Seriously, when the construction company bought those barrels, I would bet that the possibility of them being stolen, cut up and rearranged in some fashion that is basically useless to them was not a main priority.
Further, I would question if they could legally sell the thing as is. Sure, they own a bunch of barrels that are now useless to them but under US copyright laws, they do not own the right to the actual art work as the guy was not working for them at the time.
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He stole people's property and then cut some of it up. Sounds like larceny and perhaps also vandalism to me. I have no objection to his being arrested for this. The fact that the barells only cost $30 a peice isn't an excuse for stealing them and cutting them up.
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There's a joke about musicians:
How do you make a bass player's car more aerodynamic? Take the Dominoes sign off the top.
The thing is, you can't make the same joke about artists because they don't even fucking work at Dominoes. They're too cool to be bothered with making their own way in the universe. They have art to make, and if you don't get it... you're very uncool.
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I just hope he's been offered a college scholarship by now. He's clearly talented.
Les Claypool, Lemmy and Geddy Lee were all bass players, as am I. I am willing to bet every one of them (except me) make more money than anyone here. I don't REALLY take bass player jokes to heart, but the real jokes are in the drummers, anyone will agree.
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Lets leave aside whether or not the state has any business building roads and owning road safety equipment and the like, it's wrong for someone to just pick up someone's stuff and use it without their permission.
I thought special pleading was a bad thing.
Was it a house? Was it anything worthwhile at all that was 'ruined'?
No. It was a set of cheap plastic fucking orange barrels.
It's like being pissed off because somebody stole some empty paint cans or pop bottles from your driveway.
EDIT: It's against the law in Iran to demonstrate against the fraudulent election. Guess those assholes deserve whatever punishment Ahmed decides to dole-out, eh? Its TEH LAWZ, afterall.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Not even the same thing here Kevin, come on. Those cones belong to someone, be it private, corporate or government. Either way it's considered against the law to vandalize them, as they were done by the "artist". Those cones aren't the same as empty paint cans nor empty pop bottles, shit with your mentality here, if it cheap then do whatever you want, no matter who it belongs to. Sorry but we have laws to follow. Oh and the whole iran comments, not even comparing the same things, protesting to destruction of private property? I don't see it.
Bah. Whatever.
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Screw you guys.
*Makes square sign*
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Yes.
Let me spell this out for you. Everything is stuff. Stuff breaks down into two categories. Stuff that is “in play” and stuff that the owner is done with.
As it happens, there is a huge metal box in my driveway for the stuff that I no longer want. Apparently, carting that stuff off to some place that I do not care about is a huge business, as attested to by the fact that every city has a few hundred people who are usefully employed in collecting our garbage.
Now, if someone wants to dumpster dive to collect my old soda bottles, I am fine with that, provided that they do not make a mess of my driveway in the process. However, the traffic barrels were firmly in the “in play” category of stuff.
So this guy takes stuff that is being used for a specific purpose, without the consent of the owner and uses it for his own purpose. This is a problem.
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My current understanding of the situation is that the construction company owns the barrels, the constuction company refuses to press charges, and the city of Raleigh is pressing charges on him.
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I would charge him too. There is no excuse for that. He could buy his own material and then it wouldn't be a problem.
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Maybe the theft and vandalism was part and parcel of the artistic work. Imagine that a woman smeared her own menstrual blood on a canvas with her feet which you subsequently purchased at a posh auction house for a considerable amount, only to find out later that the menstrual blood was really Ragu spaghetti sauce and that she smeared it on the canvas with her hands. You would've been ripped-off.
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