New Anti-Darwinian Documentary
Posted on: October 20, 2009 - 2:29pm
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New Anti-Darwinian Documentary
There is an anti-darwinian documentary coming out which aims to debunk evolution. It's filmed in the Galapagos. Here's the link:
http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/news_and_reports/the_mysterious_islands_new_gal.aspx
There's a link to the documentary's official website at the end of the article, but the loading time took too long so I didn't watch it.
Most likely it will include most of the nonsense and ID prevarication common to creation mythology.
What do you all think? Has anyone heard of it?
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I see you fixed your posting problems. Just make sure to use the pull down tab to select the most appropriate forum, I think this one goes best in Science but it could've gone in Atheist vs. Theist as well... I moved it as you can see.
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Told through the eyes of 16-year-old Joshua Phillips, The Mysterious Islands presents a remarkable quest to Darwin’s Eden with Joshua, his father, and a team of scientists and investigators including Dr. John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research.
"Darwin was a poor naturalist,” noted Phillips, who led the team on this historic expedition. “While on the Galapagos, he improperly recorded his observations and later drew fundamentally wrong conclusions from the findings that he made. One hundred and fifty years after the publication of his magnum opus, his errors are clearer to see. It is not surprising that key arguments he advanced to support his Theory of Evolution have been rejected by evolutionists themselves. By retracing his steps, we show exactly where he erred.”
Joshua Phillips, bullied at school. Bank on it.
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I don't understand why these people think that there are a large number of people that worship Darwin. Understanding evolution =\= worship of a man long dead.
They think that if they discredit Darwin, whose work was only a starting point, and mostly has nothing to do with modern evolutionary theory, somehow people will jump on their Creationist bandwagon?
Large parts of Darwin's work is flawed. Scientists found this years ago. It isn't breaking news. It also disproves nothing but calls into question Darwin's original findings. It doesn't detract from anything we use today.
It makes no sense to me logically. Even if they disproved the scientific theory of evolution used as a standard today, it wouldn't make Creationism viable.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Because it's clear Josh Philips is a throwback to the thinkers of 150 years ago. You can see Josh's god-brain thinking in the way he addresses this case.
Decry Darwin and evolution is debunked. The prophet and his message are one. Retchville.
I get pissed off when I listen to arguments from the godly which have beached themselves on Darwin's sandbank and are unable to consider any later, better studies.
Darwin was a generalist though you have to tip your cap to his ten year barnacle obsession.
Wallace was vastly better in the field than Darwin but his science is too exact and must be ignored by these dimwits.
This is as sweet a case of pseudo science as you'll ever see. Next they'll be telling us the pre cambrian explosion was
evidence of an especially fecund moment the lord had on the third day. Some one hold my hair out of my eyes while I vomit.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Who cares if religious fundamentalists reject Darwins theories ? What would we expect them to do ? The most telling thing about this controversy is that apparently the majority of people who are scientifically knowledgeable in related fields ( with few exceptions ) have not found any reason to reject it.
When it comes to evaluating the validity of scientific claims I would much rather put my trust in someone who has a Phd in actual science than in someone who has a Phd in theology.
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Agree with the comments thus far. I, for one, do care if religious fundamentalists reject evolution, particularly because of the intellectually dishonest ways in which they do it and not least because of the less educated people who are fooled by their obfuscation.
Has anyone actually watched the trailer on the documentary's website?
Here's the direct link for that:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/18657#comment-266343
They shot some really beautiful footage. But then they open their mouths and ruin it all. It's amzing to me that people could be so stupid.
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Discrediting evolution by attacking Darwin is just preaching to the choir though. Evolution is accepted by just about everyone except the fundamentalists...and to fundamentalists Darwin is the personification of science debunking literalism. It will make good copy and make these guys some money, but it won't change any minds on either side.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
Great link thank you ...
Apparantly the film is going to debunk Darwins' theory of Evolution by :-
Inviting the likes of John D Morris, who has a degree in Civil Engineering and a Ph.D in Geological Engineering.
Hardly a qualifies him as a Biologist, if you want a bridge built or someone to find some oil for you he is your man. but to think
he can adequately interpret or even understand the significances of animal evolution is absurd.
and this is what the site said about the Movie..
"Our film captures the wonder of the intriguing flora and fauna of the Galapagos"
What are they planning to use to debunk Darwin ?
perhaps they are going refute Darwins' Scientific data by recording the the color of the flowers.
It seems they were able to establish the age of the planet by what they saw on the Island.
And the Team is
Joahua Philps - 16 year old boy
Doug Philips - Lawyer
Dr John Morris - civil Engineering/Geological engineering
Dr. Tom ford - Bio-Mechanics, Auburn University (unable to locate him Faculty/staff at Auburn University)
Jon erwin - Cameraman
Andy erwin - Cameraman
Peter Bradrick - Personnel Manager
Tony Hernandez - boat crew
I wonder if the data they record from their visit will be available to other Scientists for further analysis ?
and thanks again for a greatlink
First off, debunking Darwin really isn't that big of a deal anymore. Things have changed a lot since his time, we have discovered genetics, radioactive dating, and many other methods of cross-checking that have all agreed with the theory. Darwin had a ton of insight for the data at his time, but the modern theory is one of the most solid theories in science. These people just don't care to look at the evidence, they should read "Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne" if they want a well written explanation of modern evolutionary theory. I just wish these religitards would try debunking other theories, like gravity (it is actually the strong will of God holding us down, and his love keeps us from drifting forever into the abyss) or germ theory (God gives people sickness to test their faith). The laughs at their expense would be tremendous.
We pop theist like Orville Redenbacher!
sooo...do we have to throw out chemistry because roger bacon fucked up with alchemy? or physics because aristotle believed in four fundamental elements?
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Sure, because religion is all about respect for authority figures, with God(s) as the ultimate authority. Real wisdom can only come from the source, ie God, or his nearest delegate (priest/pastor/bishop etc).
So the natural impulse is to attack the perceived Ultimate Authority on 'Darwinism', rather than try and seriously come to grips with the actual current substance of the 'Theory'.
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Didn't you hear about the fundies next project debunking newton regarding gravity, they will want "intelligent falling" taught in physics classes.
My god has a hammer, jesus was nailed to a cross. Any questions?
Giggle.
I haven't watched the documentary yet, but I can guess all they do is to attack Darwin's credibility. That's all Stein did.
But as Thunderf00t said, "Newton could have been a drug-using, Jew-killing, baby-eating psychopath. It wouldn't affect the validity of his theories." Obviously, the same applies for Darwin.
Also, the term "Darwinism" annoys me. It's just something that the creationists have invented in the dog-eat-dog contest that is religious debate. I mean, calling a person who believes in evolution a Darwinist, is the same as calling a person who believes in general relativity an Einsteinist or a person who believes in a gravity a Newtonist.
Hear hear. It's actually really depressing to think how much money people were willing to put behind this garbage to allow for such beautiful production values.