Tales from my first and last visit to a christian forum
Offline I had been recently asked by a theist on the site to visit a Christian forum to see the arguments and topics being discussed after i had said i had no interest of going on a Christian forum. At first I was relunctant, but i thought it coudn't hurt to hear whats up in the Christian world. I thought i'd bring back some quotes with me not for debate, simply to show you why you must now understand why i have no intention of hanging around Christians for my further education/enlightenment. I just opened threads randomly for about an hour, with every thread you only need to look a few posts down to find something upsurd.
On fasting:
God's ok if I fast to lose weight right?
I'm just asking because I know that fasting is done to get closer to God. I want to fast to lose some weight but I'm concerned that God might take offence to it because he'll know that I'm only doing it to lose some weight. I've been getting heavier lately and I'm up to 90 pounds... I feel like a cow! When Jesus comes down from heaven I want to look good for him so he knows that I love him, and doesn't think I'm trying to be lazy because I don't care about him. What do you guys think?
On evidence for macro-evolution:
They are trying to convince themselves that they can make one of us doubt our faith while trying to convince themselves that what they say is true and that they are correct in refusing to confess Christ. But they will deny it of course, for now. One day, though, they will bow and they will confess that Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings. Then they will go to hell where, by then, they will belong.
On the accuracy of Genesis:
I have always thought the earth was less than 10,000 years old.
But there are some interesting and convincing arguments that point to the possibilities of the earth being older.
Some of the difficulty comes with regards to the specific time-scale, which seems to clearly indicates one genuine, original day, complete with morning and evening. I have thought about this recently, and have been mulling over the possibility that G-d created the Heavens, and dwelt in the third Heaven, and when Satan rebelled, banished him and his minions to earth which was there, a chaotic mess, unformed and in darkness...until such time as he called it to form, and placed life upon it....and the creation in Genesis begins.
Thus the components of earth might be eons old, but life would be less than 10,000 years.
Well, the old saying goes for me ... "God said it, I believe it, that settles it!"
The trouble starts when we try to add our understanding to His word where He has not been clear on the matter, and God knows I have been guilty of that in the past. When I do find myself siding with something that is not in scripture, I try my best to sit on it and keep it to myself. If it was important for us to know, He would of told us. This is the case of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. How long was it? Who knows? Does it matter? Not to me and I believe that He would of told us if it was important to us, but He did not.
On dinosaurs:
The Bible mentions Giants in the Land, both before and after the flood. With implication that SOME of the human giants were the result of cohabitation with fallen angels(Gen. 6:2-4). "Sons of God" is a term that only occurs a few other times in scripture, and every time in the Old Testament it is referring to angelic beings. So what we have is Satan attempted to thwart God's promise of a coming redeemer (Gen. 3:15) by corrupting the lineage of man in an attempt to make the entire race corrupted beyond redemption.
Now if there were giant human beings, of which the Bible records on individual who was apparantly about 9 cubits tall(13ft.). If there were giant people, then it is also reasonable to assume that Satan corrupted SOME animal species in the same way, both before and after the flood. There is almost two chapters of the book of Job in which the Lord is talking to Job, and what can only be a land based dinosaur is described. Regardless of whether its great size came from corruption or not, the creature described here is very, very big.The Bible mentions Giants in the Land, both before and after the flood. With implication that SOME of the human giants were the result of cohabitation with fallen angels(Gen. 6:2-4). "Sons of God" is a term that only occurs a few other times in scripture, and every time in the Old Testament it is referring to angelic beings. So what we have is Satan attempted to thwart God's promise of a coming redeemer (Gen. 3:15) by corrupting the lineage of man in an attempt to make the entire race corrupted beyond redemption.
Now if there were giant human beings, of which the Bible records on individual who was apparantly about 9 cubits tall(13ft.). If there were giant people, then it is also reasonable to assume that Satan corrupted SOME animal species in the same way, both before and after the flood. There is almost two chapters of the book of Job in which the Lord is talking to Job, and what can only be a land based dinosaur is described. Regardless of whether its great size came from corruption or not, the creature described here is very, very big.
There have actually been fossils found of dinosaur tracks with human footprints in them, of course the evolutionist don't want us to know this for it destroys their whole theory.
On Masterbation:
When I was in junior high my public school would send you to a couple of hours of sexual orientation class. In this class they would make you watch some videos that were supposed to help teach us about our bodies and what was going on in us at that time with our raging hormones and everything. One thing that I remember them telling us is that masturbation is ok and that there is nothing wrong with it. That may be the world's view but that is not God's view.
On when the bible was written:
Before God even created the world, he had written the Bible, which was then revealed to his servants the prophets by the Holy Spirit, and to his apostles. By his omniscience and omnipotence, God has made the Bible what it is today. It is pure, and it can be trusted, since it was written before there was even such a thing as a pen or book.
Now ofcoarse they wern't all like this, but the sheer amount of non-sense is starteling. I cant say that such upsurdities are nearly as common amoung athiests on this site, not even close. So this is the best way i can awnser you why i have ABSOLUTELY no interest in indulging in discussions on Christian forums.
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Anorexia is OK but masterbation isn't... not fun, I was just about to sit down to a nice porno
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So are these the "good people" from Cory T's favorite forum ? Nice.
Going to a theist forum is quite similar to surrounding oneself with stupid. Even 4chan has a higher average intellect per user. Small doses may or may not cause irreparable harm, but with frequency comes insanity.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Ya..stuff like this is why I now try avoid discussions with theists.You can have all the arguments and evidence you want, when they have a 'god said it it's true' mentality, you'll just argue until you pass out.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
What?! How is 90 pounds 'a cow?'
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Anorexia would be my guess.
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90 pounds?
These were all taken from www.worthychristianforums.com
I looked everywhere coudnt find it again, the titles is "God's ok if I fast to lose weight right?"
I remeber she goes on to say she's 4 ft 9 " and people tell her god loves you yadada. This site is a sesspool and smorgesbourg of ignorance, blatant craziness, irrationality, false information, and laughable posts. I can't imagine for the life o me why any Christian would want an athiest to visit a christian website, this cannot be beneficial to your cause. In fact sending a sane-minded rational thinker of any kind to a Christian forum to help sway their views would certainly have the opposite affect. These Cristian forums are nuts... Here's a few more
On Evolution:
On Incest:
On questioning god:
On people living for centuries pre-flood:
On Sins:
On how to deal with those of different faiths:
On intereligious relationships:
On being unsavable: (WTF!!!)
Well Cory-T, theirs your awnser. Christian forums are to be observed from a far, not to let in the stupid. Most of our heads ache after listening to Christians do what they do, it really is sickening to me how many crazies their are, Christianity is just the beginning... Cory-t i invite you to find as many rediculous quotes on this site from the athiests, i mean i realy didnt look hard at all its crazy overload on the Christian forums, close your eyes and point.
For the record, as a practioning Khornate... Doomy is exempt from such a search
Which is a good thing, because you could make quite a list of all the rediculous crap i speak of... this post for example!
What Would Kharn Do?
I'm confused, how are any of these absurd?
Thus far the only one that seems rather stupid is the creationism post about birds.
Quote:... you were saying?
What Would Kharn Do?
Oh, she's really short. Okay, that makes more sense then.
Ah, of course, because evolution teaches that cats give birth dogs and dogs give birth to cats. Why haven't scientists found dats and cogs? In fact, where are the rhinoctopuses? Where's the brocollisquirrels? Where are your bacterielephants?
Yep, God manually disabled gravity to allow the water to just float in the atmosphere, and he continuously monitored it so that it wouldn't evaporate during the day or freeze at night. Also, I hope this layer of water wasn't nearly as thick as Kent Hovind proposed it to be, because almost no sunlight would be able to get through.
Jeez, you've compiled an amazingly retarded list here. In particular, I wouldn't mind if the guy that made that last post was put into an insane asylum. He scares the hell out of me.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Quote:Sounds like the guy has a few particular sins that he keeps repeating and needs advice on resisting temptation...
Quote:Sounds like a rather biblically backed answer, you go to god for counsel on what you need to do, and Jesus often advises that people try to limit the influence temptations have on them, hence destroying the discs seems prudent here.
Any other examples?
Its not just what is said that was upsurd, it is the entire context and the way the discussions unfold. If was just going for dumbest comments i could list those. This was also to show why I not only have no intention of entering into discussion on a Christian forum but also why im a little wierded out by Christians in general. Anorexics wonderin if their pleasing god, people saying we will all bow to jesus and face hell, connecting dinosaurs to demons, stating they dont question anything biblical, saying masterbation is a sin, arguing the bible (written about men with pens and books) pre-dates men with pens and books, incest was ok at one time then morality changed, stating when the continents were one people lived for centuries, jacking-off/repenting/jacking-off/repenting/jacking-off/repenting playing video games/repenting jacking-off, molesting their 8 and 2 year old siblings (Any rational people here done that?)and being worried about their standing with god and if theiy're dambed instead of caring about the fucking kids they molested etc... In general its all upsurd to me.
All of the things you mentioned come with the territory of being a christian. It's like you saying you consider black people absurd for having curly hair. Did you expect the christians on that forum to just completely ignore the bible and talk about science all day?
"First thing you need to do is to destroy the discs that contain the "game" you can't resist."
Heresy! Off with his head!
Oh there's a surprise.
Oh look! They do it too! Except they wall off HALF+ of the forum, instead of ONE subforum.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Ok, that just means you are as dumb as they are, and that Christianity takes seriously a lot of really dumb ideas.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
What? Are you serious?
Let's see, guy decides to be a christian because he has compelling amounts of unverifiable personal gnosis which indicate to him that the bible is true. Although, he cannot scientifically verify any of his experiences, he chooses to believe them seeing as he has seen a psychologist and has not been diagnosed with any medical disorder. So he pops open the bible and sees what he has to believe and what he has to do to be a christian. Since he now believes the christian god exists, he can deduce that the things that the bible bans or promotes should be banned and promoted by him.
According to you, that makes this person an idiot. Which is kind of sad.
I on the other hand, can see that his course of action is not absurd given his circumstances...but now I'm an idiot too?
Sounds like a case of the lava calling the toast "hot".
Christian forums are great, but they get me too riled up.
Not all of them are bad though...I remember reading one thread about the Twilight books. Most of the people were circle-jerking about how evil it was, but I did see a couple of people talk about how it ws just a book and they all needed to calm down. Of course then you had a deluge of Bible versus about demons and witchcraft, and the dangers of such things.
When you are a theist, absurd things seem perfectly reasonable. I enjoyed how all the the Christians would LOL when someone mentioned a Mormon or Jewish belief.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
Allowing for some rhetorical embellishment, yes I am serious, but I am not regarding the believer mindset as a certifiable mental disorder, just without logical or rational justification. I do not regard that as making him an idiot, just very naive, mis/un-informed, and suggestible, perhaps.
If some experience is purely within the mind, and does not generate any 'evidence' which can be checked in some way, then there is no justification for inferring from it anything about the external world, ie outside your particular mental sphere of experence.
To do otherwise would require us to accept the vast array of every kind of absurdity that at least one individual humans has ever become personally totally convinced of through the period of human existence.
It may well 'work' for him personally, within his circumstances, but it is a poor basis for approaching life unless you can be confident of not having to face tricky real-world decisions not adequately covered by the scripture, or where the book gives downright poor advice, which is very common.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
I find that when I get into a useless discussion with a theist or some other type of paranormalist, the cause of the failure to have a meaningful conversation seems to come down to a clash of values. Where we value reason and evidence, they value things like faith and tradition and that is a difference that prevents the necessary common ground from existing.
Reality is the graveyard of the gods.
Ummm no, its nothing like that. Curly hair common in Africans is not a result of them willfully choosing to be ignorant, or believe silly/harmful things. It is not your choice to be born with curly hair, but it is your choice what you believe/how you perject yourself. So i obviusly dont think black people are abserd for having curly hair, but i do think christians are abserd for arguing life being 10,000 yrs/old. Bad analogy!!!
No, no it is not your choice what you believe. A belief is not optional, you are not an atheist because you chose that position, you are because you honestly feel it's the best one, just as christians honestly feel that theirs is the best one. They can't just up and go "Well all the times I heard the voice of god, it was a hallucination, so I don't wanna be a christian anymore". Doesn't work that way.
Everyones lives are different, and for those who weren't raised in a secular family or had gnostic experiences, it's a bit harder to find out the truth.
I'm glad you're back safe from Narnia and that the evil aslan did not beguile you with tales from before the dawn of time...
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Well i was raised Johovah's witness, very strict, very strange not secular or gnostic at all. And i could smell the bs by 5. By 10 i was more mentally aware than %90 of the cult members. So its hard for me to empathize with a bunch of people choosing to be ignorant, space out, and act crazy. If i believe a certain fact, my mind is open to hear others facts perhaps i am wrong, i listen to what scientists say, i can be convinced what i did believe was a flase fact i recieved, i have no problem admitting and furthering my enlightenment. I just can't sympathize with a bunch of crazies (covering their ears saying lalalalala im going to heaven and your not) This is insane, i cant be patient with these types, i cant stand them.
Congratulations on not being a dipshit when you were a kid. Unfortunately, the rest of the world usually is dipshitted in youth. I certainly was, even though I managed to weed out the BS in christianity. I was arrogant and incredibly foolish, thinking that I knew and could prove why it was such a falsehood.
Those crazies usually in fact, aren't crazy, and at times, they are just like you, completely rational people who have had a number of strange experiences and feelings that they cannot rationalize completely away as "hallucinations" and "dementia", because to them (and any other pretty sane person) that would be unreasonable.
You'd have to be extremely philosophically knowledgeable and scientifically literate to not be swayed by several gnostic experiences and outrageous coincidences (you meeting a minister after you were told you'd meet a minister, or you finding your long lost brother after being told you would).