Pat Robertson Claims Haiti Paying for their pact with the devil
Offline Good old Pat just can't miss an opportunity to show what a good Christian idiot really is. He's done it once again claiming that Haitians made a pact with the devil back in 1804 when they got their freedom from France.
See Here: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html
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Where muslim leaders described the deaths of 300,000 as punishment for sin. The godly never miss an opportunity to leverage fear and suffering.
What about this. Cast Pat into a conflagration. If he lives, there is a god.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
...and Christopher Hitchens once said about Jerry Falwell, I expect to one day say concerning Robertson: I regret that there is no hell for him to go to.
Conor
At first i was all like "Pact with the devil? Dont people usually GET something from a demonic pact? What the hell did the Haitians get?"
Then i was all like... "Since when can Pat read a history book?"
What Would Kharn Do?
According to Pat, they got freedom from the French. Because we all know that only Satan can defeat the French.
I suppose poverty, starvation, HIV and earthquakes were also apart of the deal.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
Pat Robertson has known for some time that Haiti was impoverished. And NOW he is asking for people to pray? I think that if prayer is such an effective 'cure all' and he didn't make an effort to go to bended knee or ask others to do so, he is to blame for the earthquake, not the devil.
That prayer thing seems to be powerful, it isn't fair that he didn't focus on Haiti during his daily/nightly counsel with the big guy long before this disaster
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Supposedly a Voodoo ritual triggered the revolution, so most Christians probably would consider that a deal with the devil.
Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer. - William S. Burroughs
According to tradition on August 22, 1791 the call to arms was made by Dutty Boukman a voodoo priest and leader of the slaves trying to gain their freedom. The revolt was instigated following a religious ceremony. However French self interests (greed) continued even through the French Revolution. Not until Jean-Jacques Dessalines in 1803 finally defeated the French did they get independence. The French were weakened by yellow fever, the British, and Napolean's loss of interest in the west while he concentrated on building his European empire. So perhaps the catholic god was pissed at the French and cursed them with disease and dissension not to mention leaders changing sides.
Of course Pat doesn't mention the fact the French were planning on continuing slavery if they had beat back the revolution. He only selects a single instance to validate his bullshit. Pat uses the same techniques as Goebbels in taking a small truth and morphing it into propaganda to promote his evil. When Pat dies from hopefully something horrific the world will be a better place.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
count on a christian to believe that kind of mumbo-jumbo too. i've never understood how christians can spend so much time ridiculing other religions as being empty fantasies, and yet turn right around and take the position that those religions' rituals can actually have an effect on the material world.
oh yeah, it's called compartmentalization.
btw, dr. strange rules.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
What kills me is how the moderate Christians now are feigning their moral outrage at Robertson. Yet, they fail to tell us how he's being unbiblical. They've invented a kinder gentler god, certainly not a biblical one.
So at least now it's wrong to blame the devil for earthquakes, I think 30 years ago it would be OK. The zeitgeist is turning in our favor.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
more like the hatians made a pact with poor construction techniques against earthquakes. seriously though really sucks what hapened. however i will say the response by other countries has been heartening to see. I mean sure more could be done but the piont is many coutries are doing something to help. And who knows after destruction comes creation so maybe a lesson will be learned and some good will come after it all however small it may be. though im afraid it will take quite some time. at times like this im glad africa is a very stable continent.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Pat is a fucking nutcase and his "College" is nothing more than a Kent Hovind degree mill on steroids. As long as you wear a suit and have lots of money, you can scam the credulous.
BTW I just saw footage of a young girl trapped under debris. She survived, but one of her legs is trapped and they have no way to lift the debris and no blood supply for her. The were/are thinking about cutting her leg off to set her free. She has been under the debris for 2 days while Pats big daddy sits upstairs and watches. If that is how daddy shows his love he is one sick fuck.
Not to mention all the homeless and dead. Early estimations, are projected low, 50,000, they expect that to climb. And the millions of homeless. What a plan. So according to Pat, these people living today, who had nothing to do with what happened with France are being punished for something they didn't do?
Call me a skeptic, but I think it was as simple as an earthquake, not caused by a man in a white robe or a man with a pitchfork. People have to have super heros vs super villains to explain things because mundane harsh reality isn't as glamorous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PEaWUduCM
A little response from Keith Olbermann, in case you're interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7xRKTOW-E
This one is a little more in-depth.
Robb
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I agree with the other commentator he had on in the second clip - Pat Robertson is just a confused old man (he may have been once a confused young man, of course), and should just not be given access to the media.
Limbaugh is an evil prick and should be sent to Gitmo for those guys to practise torture techniques on.
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Limbaugh an evil prick!?!
Ah, Bob, I must disagree.
Rarely in our time will we have an opportunity to observe the unmitigated, egotistical rantings of a half-educated charlatan foist on an unwitting public who salivate over his "disproval" of global warming due to his unprecedented access to "precipitation reports..."
If only we had known, Rush, we would have bowed to your obvious genius long before we had bothered to read anything...
I agree with many comments posted by the good people of this site, regarding the comments made by Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh
I find it very offensive that such people as these two are able to air their poisonous, and vindictive opinions
AND with impunity, this solely because they come under the umbrella of freedom of religion and of speech
I personally believe in freedom of speech and expression, I think that freedom of religion is merely a subset of this idea..
I Live in Utah and I have seen the LDS church continuously, and with a sly and devious manner , re-invent itself, , so that it can be accepted by the
the the rest of us.
We continue to discover that more and more types of behaviour are totally unacceptable, and we should take a minute
and think is it really okay to spout such hatred all under the guise of freedom of religion.
Christopher Hitchens is often quoted as saying "I don't love my enemies, and I don't want you to love them for me, just because your
religion requires you to ", and these two individuals, are definitely "the enemy"
I for one, detest these two creatures who masquerade themselves as human beings.
Lets put that in context. Hitchens wrote a book about Jefferson and is often quoted as saying, "Build up that wall" referring to Jefferson's wall between church and state. Hitchens is right in not loving your enemy, but he is not beyond human empathy. I wouldn't mistake an intellectual battle as being the same as a literal blood bath. Authoritarian rule, be it touted by nationalism, political party or religion is what causes this blood bath. I think Hitchens when he says you don't have to love your enemy, I don't think he means that you should spark up ovens.
THEY are human beings. Once you start seeing someone with a politically or religiously polar opposite opinion as yours, and you start treating them as a different species, it it easy to kill them. At some point, with that attitude, you will kill someone who has no beef with you other than they think you are full of shit on that issue.
I detest what they say. And I agree what they say is poison. But they, like we, breath, fart, bleed, want love and shelter and companionship like we do. They are wrong, but they are not a different species.
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(This is something I wrote on the subject on another site.)
There has been several ancient civilizations in this world.
We use that word because they had sophisticated buildings and infrastructures, indicating an organised society of some merit. However, more often than not, those societies seem to be some really rather dark and sinister projects who did not attach much value to a human life. Case in point, the Mayas. They believed that life was stolen property, that all creatures had escaped from the underworld of the gods of death who were constantly seeking to repossess their property with any means available. (It kind of makes sense, in a perverse way.) Consequently, if you wanted the favour of the gods you had to offer up sacrifices. The gods will be pleased with you if you "return" life to them, so much so that they will let you live to serve as their bailiff in this respect.
Other civilizations were all about war - which is a bit of the same idea, only a little more fuzzy. Go out and beat the crap out of some other people and the gods will be well pleased with you. Then there is of course the loot. The thing with civilization is that you can accumulate much more stuff when you live in a fixed and structured settlement. Whereas, say, a nomadic band of hunter-gatherer people will not want to be encumbered with too much weight, so they will probably feel less attracted to the idea of armed robbery, people who live in stone cities will indulge in interior decoration. And that's pretty much still the case. We still need all kinds of stuff in order to make our surroundings pretty - only nowadays we practice more subtle forms of treachery in order to accumulate our wealth. They heydays of armed robbery are gone (well, for most of us anyway).
Modern people - in spite of often being the stupidest human beings ever - are less prone to do things only to please this or that pantheon of gods and spirits. Or are they? I seem to often hear people make public statements about how certain things that other people do are making God angry. But how can they tell? I suppose if you really really really scrutinize every word on every page of the Bible, images will come to you. Recently, there was a quite severe earthquake in Haiti. Within a day, American evangelist Pat Robertson was on television explaining this with how a long time ago the Haitians had made a pact with the Devil (in order to get rid of the French!) and that this was the cause of all the misery in that country ever since. One would perhaps think that being an exceptionally mismanaged country that's situated in the middle of Hurricane Alley and on top of a geological fault line had something to do with it, but then again, an explanation that doesn't really say fuck all about anything is the preferred way of the likes of Mr. Robertson. The gods of the underworld want their stolen property back. Way to go Pat!
What, in your opinion, constitutes civilization? Call me pedantic, but I demand more than fancy buildings, incomprehensible art and a corrupt social power structure. There needs to be a certain admireability to people's general behaviour. You know, like that abstract concept they have been talking about since the French revolution; the social contract. Which essentially means that we should try to be nice and polite to eachother and keep the peace. Live and let live. Not prosecute anyone but under just laws. That sort of thing. Gods of the underworld, however, isn't a civilized concept. The way of metaphysical guilt trips has been tried and tested. It doesn't work. Nowadays we have science - which, on the other hand, does work. Civilization in our time is about behaviour. Behaviour which does not include such things as telling earthquake victims and their grieving relatives that their current state of misery is due to voodoo magic from times bygone. Shame on Pat Robertson. He's an embarrassment to all Americans.
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