Hi Marquis...

If you ever require some input from a writer/public speaker whose focus is on non-traditional relationships, and particularly those who negotiate non-monogamy... send me an e-mail...

don't get it EXC, since we need children for the human race to continue, people having babies is their own private affairs, now where it comes to really society raising children is when the parents stop being parents, outside of that, it's none of your concern really. Your irrational inconsistency statement is well irrational. Up until the person decides no longer to be a parent or to be a detrimental parent to the child, I don't see why people having children is any of your concern. If you don't want any don't have any. Outside of that, society needs children to survive as a society, how those children are raised for the better of society is important, how people decide to have children or not to have children, well I don't see why it's any of your concern.

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going to see if I can make this clearer, if my GF and I decide to have a child, due to our sexual activity which leads to having a child, how are you raising that child and supporting it financially? I don't get what your talking about exactly.

 If I join, will I get a complimentary bare-bottom spanking from the co-owner? Joining would obviously be very, very naughty, after all.

To some extent it really is - although the responsibility for the upbringing of children lies with the parents... insofar that they are competent to carry out this task (not all people are, and we can see this with our own eyes every day). It is a well known fact of the field that some sociological vectors are more likely than others to move towards problems further down the road.

The future of any nation here on earth lies with its children - and I believe it's only appropriate for "the public" to seek to protect all of society's minors against the madness of their parents, should such a thing take prominence over a normally decent upbringing (which is a pretty wide definition). It is also a valid point that education has to be viewed as a public responsibility; insofar that a certain degree of "social conditioning" is necessary is a complex society.

So what happens after the three months are up?

I ask because I already set up an account there a few weeks ago just to see what it was about. To be perfectly honest, that place is a bit of a letdown for the free account. Seriously, it seems that it is rather sparsely populated at the moment. I got the impression that it is kind of a new site that just does not have the traffic quite yet.

The thing is that I would really prefer to not use my one shot at a free limited time upgrade only to find out that it is more of the same. If it is that and things are much better in a couple of years, then I will have wasted my one chance.

This is correct.

However, if you become a premium member at this point in time, based in this here offer, and prove to be an interesting contributer to the site content (which is my primary focus now), I shall here and now promise you that I will renew that free premium account regularly.

OK, I think that I see where this is going.

While education is always good, it is also a fact that not everyone can be (or is willing to be) educated. This is the problem that EXC is after. Most people who “get it” can control the baby making impulse and they do not represent a drain on public resources. Those are not the people that (I suspect) he is worrying about.

As a psychiatric social worker, I deal with some of those people professionally. One example that comes to mind is a woman who managed to get on the public dole and then started to have children with no care for how to support them. After all, the government will just give her more money when she has more kids.

By the time I became involved, she already had five daughters and she was trying to get pregnant again. The reason that she stated was that she felt like having a son. How to pay for the kid was not important. The government will provide for all of her careless choices.

Yes, it is a fact that the “slutty welfare queen” really exists. I have met her and not just the one time.

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That being said, how to deal with the totally irresponsible people is a problem. As it happens, there is a really easy way to fix it. In the USA, it is marketed under the name “Norplant”. It is a ten minute outpatient medical procedure, after which, any woman can get fucked all she feels like and never get pregnant.

As a matter of public education, it could be the best thing since sliced bread. “Do this and never worry about getting pregnant”. There is no having to deal with taking a pill every day. If your social situation changes, it is trivial to reverse. A woman who has it reversed should probably use condoms for a few weeks after the reversal just to make sure that normal conception occurs.

However, it simply has not been widely adopted. One would think that any woman who has been on the pill would consider this to be a really good idea but the fact is that it is a political fail in the USA.

The problem with it being widespread is that the very people that EXC has in mind view it as coercive control over their bodies.

Let's make it a standard that if you are living on the public dime, you have to accept reproductive controls. Sure, then the people who advocate for the rights of the poor will scream that we are trying to control them. Which, let's face the basic fact, we would be if we made that a condition for getting public money.

Then too, there is another complication that we have to deal with in the USA. The fact is that most of the people who want the state to take care of them are black. Yes, I said it. Black people seem to require an asymmetrical relationship with the rest of the world.

If you tell people on the public dime to control how they reproduce, then you are advocating the destruction of the black race. Mind you, If there was any intention in the deal, it was to eradicate the “idiot race” but that is not what political advocates would like you to believe.

Not really, cold hard cash does the trick. A la the oldest profession.

So only those with learning disabilities and the extremely horny will reproduce?

I don't understand why people are so uncomfortable with the idea of mandatory or coerced birth control. We already do it to the prison population, they are effectively cut off from reproduction during this time.

I think it could be both permanent sterilization and temporary in exchange for assistance in getting out of poverty. I think if a couple agreed not to have more kids in exchange for public welfare benefits and then violated this agreement, we'd have to take them to the next step and make sterilization permenent.

Children are suffering and dieing now because our governments are broke and we've overtrained our resources with overpopulation, so the welfare state is not sustainable anyways.

If we let nature control our populations for us, it will be done through pain misery and premature death.