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Excuse Me, But Can You Fucking Believe This?

Church battles secular ethics classes

JACQUELINE MALEY
April 14, 2010

THE Bishop of North Sydney has urged Anglican priests to collect information from principals of public schools to stop the spread of the secular ethics classes the Sydney Anglicans believe may threaten religious education.

In an email seen by the Herald, Bishop Glenn Davies urged ministers to contact the principals of public schools in their parishes to ascertain the exact numbers of children enrolled in religious education. This was even though most schools were not involved in the trial, which is being piloted at just 10 schools under the guidance of the St James Ethics Centre.

''The St James Ethics Centre claims that there are large numbers of students not enrolled in SRE [special religious education],'' the email from Bishop Davies read. ''We need to gather some accurate information to challenge this claim.''

Bishop Davies added that ''there is an urgency to this request'' and asked for results by the following week.

The Herald has learnt that even rectors whose local schools are not involved in the trial have turned up at P&C meetings to protest about the secular ethics classes.

Groups of religious education teachers including Anglicans have also lobbied the principals of schools where the trial will occur, to make sure the trial did not affect their class numbers.

The NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations and the St James Ethics Centre yesterday renewed their invitation to the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, to meet to discuss the trial.

''There is absolutely no desire or intention to weaken religion or eliminate scripture from schools and to suggest otherwise is misleading,'' the centre's head, Simon Longstaff, said. ''The reality is that, prior to this trial being mounted, in some schools, 50 to 80 per cent of students were electing not to go to scripture.''

The course would let children who did not take scripture class examine ethical issues, but without an overarching theology, he said.

The president of the NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations, Di Giblin, said there was ''enormous interest'' in the secular ethics trial among parents, ''with more schools hoping to take part in the pilot than we can accommodate''.

The NSW Teachers Federation said it was ''highly inappropriate'' that religious organisations should seek to interfere in a course designed to provide an alternative to religious education.

Dr Jensen, who privately lobbied the Premier, Kristina Keneally, over the classes, said ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible.

His principal concern is that the ethics classes have been offered to all children at the pilot schools, not just those who have opted out of religious education, which he said was the original intention.

The pilot program co-ordinator for the classes, Teresa Russell, said that in line with advice from the Department of Education, all parents at the relevant schools had been informed that ''all children were welcome'' at the ethics classes.

Dr Jensen told ABC radio that the ethics trial had been ''rushed through'', which is why he had sought to have a meeting with the Premier, who he said was an ''interesting and intelligent person''.

Ms Keneally assured him there would be ''proper discussion'' of the trial at its conclusion.

Dr Jensen said it was not easy to be heard in the debate about the trial, in part because of ''countervailing forces that may be less scrupulous in putting their case''.

 

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This Jensen guy is a twisted little weasel

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Dr Jensen said it was not easy to be heard in the debate about the trial, in part because of ''countervailing forces that may be less scrupulous in putting their case''.

 

If any of us were wondering whether it was about morality or control, now we know the answer....

 

 

 

 

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Quote:The course would let

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The course would let children who did not take scripture class examine ethical issues, but without an overarching theology, he said.

It's the end of the world. 

 

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


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You smell that AE? Cuz to

You smell that AE? Cuz to me, it smells like the "lamb of god" is now dying the slow AGONIZING death with his "Duly anointed servants" making themselves out to be...

(LOL- I found the asshat avatar!)

“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)


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Lol

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You smell that AE? Cuz to me, it smells like the "lamb of god" is now dying the slow AGONIZING death with his "Duly anointed servants" making themselves out to be...

(LOL- I found the asshat avatar!)

Yep - that looks like the one, Kap.

 

 

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The nerve, teaching people

The nerve, teaching people that slavery is wrong, women are equal, gays don't need to die and witches shouldn't be burned....it makes me sick.  Truely, Jesus Christ has cursed the land down under.

 

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mellestad wrote:The nerve,

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The nerve, teaching people that slavery is wrong, women are equal, gays don't need to die and witches shouldn't be burned....it makes me sick.  Truely, Jesus Christ has cursed the land down under.

 

The British Penal Colony???

“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)