True and false christians ?
how the fuck do they know atheist's were never true christians.
i had a partner told me that recently
what is the fucking criteria for with to discern a true christian from a false one
theists i welcome you to answer the question also atheists you can respond
have you been told this
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@surprise: I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a Poe account, I was taking you seriously for a while!
Carry on.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
ok, let me start by saying that "creationism" is a very modern and very loaded word, and i think we might be getting some wires crossed on a couple of the nuances, so i'll offer a few thoughts.
first of all, to strip out biblical literalism is not the same as stripping out the idea that yahweh created the world. after all, the hebrew bible was inspired by yahwism, not vice versa.
let me address your statements one at a time based on the evidence i've encountered.
assuming you mean a literal solar (or, in the case of jews, lunar) week, i don't think you'd encounter fierce opposition, certainly not at the level of our present-day creationists, especially if the jew had embraced a hellenistic or semi-hellenistic cosmogony. i'm not saying no one would try to argue with you, but imo it's unlikely any would be offended.
pretty much ditto above.
here you would likely encounter fierce opposition, not because it threatens the integrity of the text, but because it threatens the jewish idea of man's special place in creation. it's not a question of biblical literalism but of religious anthropology, which has been a central element of judaism throughout its history.
this of course is unacceptable, but not because it contradicts the text. in fact, let me emphasize that a first-century jew (if he's educated) would be far more likely to argue for god's existence using plato, aristotle, or even philo, than he would using the hebrew bible, especially if you were a gentile. the hebrew bible is not meant to be an apologetic for god's existence, and besides, it's not meant for gentiles anyway, so it would be almost a source of shame to share it with you.
if you were a fellow jew, however, he'd be more likely just to cuss you out at best or try to have you excommunicated or even arrested at worst.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Interesting. Thanks for the info IW!
I'll stick to the claim that evolution is an idea that Jesus would not appreciate, and stay away from mentioning anything about literalism.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
that sounds right, but good luck explaining evolution to jesus, or anyone from the first century!
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Strong i would say is like this
i believe that the probability of god existing is 0% Which could mean i think a god doesnt exist but my girl(maybe ex ) just doesnt believe in a God
Well thats what she tells me
What gets me is the mistake that even some atheists make.
They falsely, like theists will say, "You cant prove or disprove" which misses the point , even if I agreed with that statement, which I don't.
The word can also be applied to time frame in regards to past, present and future.
My current position is that I am an outright and strong atheist as far a past and present claims. But "technically" I can only look at the future and call myself an agnostic atheist. It means only that my position might change with changing data, although highly unlikely. I still hold the "off" position in any case.
As far as not being able to disprove something, that is not the way logic works. One reading this cant disprove it if I claimed I was getting my dick sucked by Heidi Clume right now. "Technically" it is possible since I exist and Heidi Clume exists, but would anyone have a problem saying "bullshit"? There are lots of things we "technically" cant disprove, but don't waste much time trashing absurd claims. Which is why the burden of proof being on the claimant is a much better use of logic.
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i never looked at it that way before
but i have to say this why do people say you cant disprove or prove god ? to me you can falsify any man made claim based on the fact that its man made
for instance there is a fly cake filled with ice cream behind mars can i disprove this ..... of course cake is a man made object or thing so yes i can falsify it
the same goes with god
What do you guys think i can elaborate more if needed