Don't usually like pop stars, but Lady GaGa impresses me.
Offline I like the story of Lady Gaga, read it online and especially her not fitting in in high school. I can identify with that. And I wondered what her name meant, she is a Queen fan and the name comes from Radio Ga Ga. You cant hate someone inspired by Queen. She is not too boot to.
It is admittedly bubble gum music. But just like a hamburger, you can have a crappy one, and a good one. What I don't like is when people say, "That artist sucks" and when you really dig, it isn't that the artist sucks, it merely means that you don't like the style.
Same with sports, some people say "this sport or that sport sucks", no, when you get to the professional level in any sport you have to have talent, not liking a sport doesn't make the sport easy, it just means you don't like the sport.
I can't stand country music, for example, but that is just me. I can't sing, and I cant play a banjo and I certainly could not become the next Garth Brooks.
I can like pop music, not for it's message, but for the showmanship, which does take talent. Just like I hate golf but know that I couldn't hit a ball to save my life.
I like GaGa more for her attitude of being an individual. But her music is just fun too. I don't think people have to hate candy because it is candy.
I also like Metallica, David Sanborn, some classical, some 70s and 80s funk, some forms of Jazz. Mostly 80s rock. And now after reading GaGa's history, I like her too.
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Thats nice I think she is the anti christ and looks like
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Figuratively speaking anyway. Don't like her music and her costumes are not my thing. I tip my hat to her for geting so popular. But I have nothing which I like about her. She is better than Mylie Cyrus though... but not her dad, hes awesome.
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Stay away from her Brian, she's mine.
Edit: To elaborate- I didn't care much one way or another until I saw some of her live stuff and realized she's actually a pretty amazing singer. Every time she gives an interview I like her a little more because she usually manages to say something that hits me emotionally. I just hope she doesn't end up dead at a young age from being crazy.
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First you tell me in another thread, "I want to lick your brain", now you are threatening me to stay away from Lady Gaga. Do I need to get a restraining order against you?
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I didn't know who this was, although I've heard the name.
I tend to only like pop stars if their social activism is in the right place in my view (e.g. respect them as people if they're doing something decent).
I don't imagine I know any of the people based on their music, or the characters they play (and pretty much all of them are playing characters when in the public eye), any more than I'd know any movie or play actors without meeting them.
I'd have to ask:
What has she done for secular activism lately?
A positive answer to that indicating something substantial - now that would earn my respect.
As far as I can tell by a Google search, she's a Catholic. [ugh, trolling celebrity gossip; I feel dirty now]
One thing is clear from this thread: I am having lengthy political discussions with 15 year olds.
I need a better way to spend my time.
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I've never heard her comment on religion, it doesn't seem to be a big deal to her either way. If she is Catholic, she's a pretty liberal Catholic.
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I am 43, and I never said that she was deep in her music. If you read your thread, even tasty junk food has to be done right to taste good. And even junk food takes talent to make.
I like the fact that she got her name from Queen, a band who was popular when sexuality was bigotedly monochromatic. A band that didn't care about "fitting in" and did it's own thing.
Don't make this out to be either or. I like deep conversations. But life is not all deep and no play. And to "play" takes talent too. There is nothing wrong with bubble gum music. I would only say that it shouldn't be all of your diet.
I like her, not so much that her music is deep, it isn't. I like her because she is a talented showman. I also like her because she doesn't give a shit what others think of her.
I identify with her because I didn't fit in myself. And it wasn't until I stopped letting other people's ideas about "what should be, scripts of how life should go" that I finally accepted myself in my own skin.
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You're right, we should split the forum into two sections: one about genocide and horror where everyone can act elitist and the other about pop stars and rainbows where everyone can act like a Jr. Highschooler. I'm not sure where your avatar fits in.
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I want to lic---err, nevermind.
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I couldn't do what she does. And most people who can sing, regardless of message wont get lucky enough to be in her position. That does not mean she doesn't have talent. It just means you don't like her style.
I can't stand soccer or baseball. But since I have not played those games, even on a high school level, who am I to say what "talent" is.
Any musical artist at that level, regardless of style, has to put themselves through the ringer to put on a good show. If you are a country star, or a rap star, or a death metal band, or a jazz performer AT THAT LEVEL, you put in long hours and lots of rehearsal.
Do not confuse her messages in this music as being lack of talent.
The idiot a few years back on American Idol who auditioned singing "Like A Virgin" which sounded like a cat being strangled, had no talent.
Just leave it at, "Lady Gaga is not my cup of tea". Just like I say, "Country music is not my cup of tea".
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She is "very religious".
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/02/lady-gaga-on-catholicism/
Huh, she's certainly suck in explaining what does religion mean for her.
You know, it was a joke to start with.. but now that you all are protesting, I am begining to think I hit a nerve.
Well, in that case I am sooo sowwwwy
Okay? 
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Yes and no. I am not a fan of Gaga like a soccer fan or Philly Fliers fan who would defend their sisters honor like a redneck beating the shit out of someone because you called them a whore. If you don't like her, I could care less. And I haven't bought one single album of hers for that matter, nor will I. Simply because I don't buy music at all any more, because food and bills and other things I need are more important.
It really was strictly about art being subjective. That does get to me that people mistake likes and dislikes with talent when all it is is a preference.
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Sounds like a typical liberal hippy theist who can't reconcile her theism with her modern sensibilities. Luckily, I don't have a problem with most liberal hippy theists.
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Lies. I bet your house is wall-to-wall Lady Gaga's posters.
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Don't need to. She has enough video's playing at any given point the porn sites on the web are jealous of her. I used to have FAUX wood paneling but it has been painted white. I know I know TMI.
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I think if I had a professional painting company I would sue her for anti-trust. I think she causes so much masturbation and wet dreams she puts painters out of business.
In all seriousness though, I used to be "star struck" growing up and bought into celebrity hype and their "god like" status. But after meeting some over the years the myth lost it's grip on me. Humans are just that and title and fame and status are really unimportant to me.
One of my favorite meetings was when I met the Ramones. On stage they come across as rip roaring balls to the wall party animals. So when my friend at the time took me back stage I was expecting to see naked chicks and booze and total debauchery.
Instead I saw nothing but soda and fruit drinks and listened to my friend talk to one of the brothers about their families and baseball card trading. I was thinking to myself, "These aren't the same guys I saw on stage".
Famous people are most often never like the person we see in the media. But even if they are, they still shit and piss and pay taxes and will die like everyone else.
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I take exception with your claim that an individual who claims something sucks is because they don't like the style. I dislike pop music because it is primarily simplistic and shallow music for simplistic and shallow people. I don't hate artists like Lady Gaga because I hate the genre. I hate the genre because the caliber of musicianship and artistry is mind numbingly lacking. On the other hand you have bands like The Beatles who started as a pop band but grew into something much greater. While they still made pop songs on their later albums they were much more enjoyable because they were a facet of a band capable of making beautiful, sincere and sometimes mind blowing music. Gaga on the hand changes her costume.
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Bologna. It takes talent to do anything at that professional level. Not liking the genre has nothing to do with the talent at that level. Showmanship is it's own talent even the "mind numbingly stupid crap".
I cant stand Pro wrestling. It is all an act and pathetically acted. BUT it does take talent to throw yourself around like that without injuring yourself or others.
So unless you can dance like that and sing like that I doubt you have any clue as to what it takes. They don't just pull people randomly off the street.
And again, if all you are feed is a diet of junk food, you are going to get fat. But that doesn't mean that junk food doesn't take talent to make. I have had crappy cheeseburgers and good cheeseburgers and awesome cheesburgers. I wouldn't eat them every day.
I like some pop music, depending on the song, but it isn't the only genre I like. I also like some types of Jazz and a few classical songs. I can like something without liking everything about it.
I like "deep" music too. But it is ok to let your hair down sometimes and not be so deep all the time.
I can also be turned off by the sound of a song, no matter how "deep" the message is because TO ME, because of my taste, the sound of it by itself can turn me off. That doesn't mean the person isn't talented because I don't like their song.
The closest I can come to agreeing to you is to say that our culture focuses too much on pop culture and we do live in a McMedia society. But to say that it is always bad to simply "have fun" for fun's sake, is absurd. Instead of saying it is bad, because you don't like it, just say you don't like it.
It isn't easy for anyone of any genre at that level, shallow message or not. Otherwise you and I could get a record deal and go on tour tomorrow.
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Poppycock. First of all I didn't say that I couldn't appreciate an artists talent even though I don't like their body of work. Nor did I say that music always has to be deep or that it can't be deep and / or beautiful if it's not complex. Or that showmanship does not require talent.
What I did say is that I dislike Lady Gaga and many other pop artists because their music is not the main attraction. The showmanship, which is often not of their design, is. It's a gimmick. It's the same as when Miller and Coor's try to offer flashy new packaging rather than improve the quality of it's contents.
To state that there is not a qualitative difference between the musicianship of Lady Gaga and other pop artists is demonstrably untrue. Let's take another radio friendly artist who has had several singles that earned them an undue reputation as something of a shallow pop act: Dave Matthews Band. DMB have several songs that are happy and even poppy, but the musicianship involved absolutely fucking obliterates anything I've heard from Gaga and her ilk. Hence the claim that Lady Gaga et. al suck. It is entirely possible to make fun and enjoyable music that is also of a higher technical standard.
I'm not saying that I could do better or that music that is technically simplistic can't be good, but I am saying that if all you've got is a handful of catchy riffs and some provocotive costumes it's time to acknowledge your place in the universe and the fact that the world can, should and must do better.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
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Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
Poppycock. First of all I didn't say that I couldn't appreciate an artists talent even though I don't like their body of work. Nor did I say that music always has to be deep or that it can't be deep and / or beautiful if it's not complex. Or that showmanship does not require talent.
What I did say is that I dislike Lady Gaga and many other pop artists because their music is not the main attraction. The showmanship, which is often not of their design, is. It's a gimmick. It's the same as when Miller and Coor's try to offer flashy new packaging rather than improve the quality of it's contents.
To state that there is not a qualitative difference between the musicianship of Lady Gaga and other pop artists is demonstrably untrue. Let's take another radio friendly artist who has had several singles that earned them an undue reputation as something of a shallow pop act: Dave Matthews Band. DMB have several songs that are happy and even poppy, but the musicianship involved absolutely fucking obliterates anything I've heard from Gaga and her ilk. Hence the claim that Lady Gaga et. al suck. It is entirely possible to make fun and enjoyable music that is also of a higher technical standard.
I'm not saying that I could do better or that music that is technically simplistic can't be good, but I am saying that if all you've got is a handful of catchy riffs and some provocotive costumes it's time to acknowledge your place in the universe and the fact that the world can, should and must do better.
"Faith, Faith is an island in the setting sun,
but proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone."
Proof, Paul Simon
Nothing this hard should taste so beefy.
I don't want to rag on her but I agree with the so so voice and wacky costume breakdown. She fills a niche, thats about it.
I'm awaiting Miley Cyrus's fall, dropping Hannah Montana and the whole kid thing will be the end of her career, she can't sing. She will be reduced to showing her beaver to papparazzi as she is getting out of her car as the credits roll.
Faith is the word but next to that snugged up closely "lie's" the want.
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no, it doesn't. i'm not talking about lady gaga, necessarily, but i know from experience that those engineers in the recording studio can do damn near anything. i had a songwriting buddy cut a demo in a studio in NC where shania twain had just recorded some tracks about a month before. the engineer there told him that she can't sing a lick, she can't play any instrument for shit, and they have to spend two months doctoring her voice. she's in the business because of her looks, period. maybe she has a certain amount of charisma as well, but from what i've seen of her concert footage, it's no more than any high school head cheerleader. pop stars are products. i'm sure some of them do have talent--like christina aguilera, for example, who has a tremendous voice--but there are plenty of successful ones who don't.
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I agree, I am no professional engineer by any measure but I can take a shitty recording and make it sound like gold by editing the crap out of it. Also my music teacher in college showed the class some multi track recordings of brandy and all her vocal takes where terrible, she could barely utter a note in the right key. He mentioned it took a month and she had to come back and redo the whole thing even then it was edited with auto tune and melodyne which are pitch correction software. Also I find Lady Gaga nauseating and the only "talent" she has is in her marketing team. She like Puff Daddy is very business minded and knows exactly what to say all the time to stir the right amount of controversy. Pop stars are products as mentioned above. Now here is some real talent and beautiful singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6VerKdcrOQ
Name annoys me. Haven't heard anything I liked from her. I'll stay over in the metal auditorium.
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