Just Ask Grandpa - A Christian answers tough questions and debunks common myths
Offline Way too many "delusional myths", and unanswered questions on this site. One cannot rationally disbelieve something unless they have a clear picture of what it is that they do not believe. Since I do not see these myths and false perceptions answered properly in terms of simple reasoning I shall attempt to do it myself.
Myth #1. God will burn "sinners" in "HELL" throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. This is not supported in the bible. It is merely a false doctrine that entered the church during the dark ages. It has it's roots in paganism. Unfortunately most Christians still believe this myth. Ultimately those who choose to accept Gods gift of eternal life will go on to live forever in a world without all the suffering and horrors of this world. Those who do not accept His gift will cease to exist and have nothing to do with God as they have chosen and wished for. Sounds pretty fair to me!
If God were indeed to burn anybody throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity (including the devil) He would be the most terrible monster one could imagine. I myself would join the movement in defying and blasting God. Fortunately we have a loving creator God that will not and would not do that.
Rather than writing a 20 page study on the topic of death and hell, I will just give a website that those interested can visit that will clearly and definitively clear this myth up. It is hell truth.com.
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GRAMPS IS WANTING TO STICK TO PROPHECY Sure why not ?
Please allow Gramps to stick to prophecy Okay ?
Gramps can do whatever he likes. No one stops him from expressing his ideas.
If he wants to discuss Revelation and Daniel together he is free to do so.
Whether I or anyone else will bother with his views and discussion is undetermined based on our own freedom of choice to participate or not.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
What you miss is this:
I have been clear what I think of the Jesus character in this thread. I see him as an unproven character in another story telling legend. In order to jump into a discussion if the Jesus is coming back as suggested in Revelation, one must first go through a discussion in regard to his existence.
Just as one must establish that aliens exist on other planets, if Krypton was a real planet, if they had advanced technology, and if the difference in the type of star would enable a person from such planet to have super powers, the Jesus must be examined in detail to discuss his basis and possibilities.
Otherwise, let's just discuss Superman.
I don't choose to have the discussion between Daniel and Revelation without going through the basis of the character the Jesus.
This however doesn't stop you from having that discussion with someone else.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Greetings
Sorry for the delay.
Unfortunately you have come at at time when gramps is in the process of deciding whether there is any point in trying to discuss anything with atheists. Up to this point, I have not seen any evidence that there is anyone on this site that is willing and/or capable of having a straight forward discussion about anything.
I will no longer waste my time discussing anything with anybody unless they demonstrate reasonable and proper discussion methods. I have come to the conclusion that they must not have much to stand on if they continually have to resort to these tactics.
Can gramps prove the existence of God and the validity of the Bible?
To a reasonable person? Yes. To an avid atheist or "skeptic"? No.
Unfortunately I have not found atheists to be either reasonable or rational. Otherwise they would be able to have a discussion or debate in a straight forward manner, and not have to use multiple tactics to try to derail a reasonable discussion.
I will be taking a few weeks to contemplate whether or not I want to return to this site, and if there is any reason for me to believe that a rational conversation can take place here.
I will no longer waste my time on nonsense.
Gramps.
Greetings
Sorry for the delay.
Unfortunately you have come at at time when gramps is in the process of deciding whether there is any point in trying to discuss anything with atheists. Up to this point, I have not seen any evidence that there is anyone on this site that is willing and/or capable of having a straight forward discussion about anything.
I will no longer waste my time discussing anything with anybody unless they demonstrate reasonable and proper discussion methods. I have come to the conclusion that they must not have much to stand on if they continually have to resort to these tactics.
Can gramps prove the existence of God and the validity of the Bible?
To a reasonable person? Yes. To an avid atheist or "skeptic"? No.
Unfortunately I have not found atheists to be either reasonable or rational. Otherwise they would be able to have a discussion or debate in a straight forward manner, and not have to use multiple tactics to try to derail a reasonable discussion.
I will be taking a few weeks to contemplate whether or not I want to return to this site, and if there is any reason for me to believe that a rational conversation can take place here.
I will no longer waste my time on nonsense.
Gramps.
In other words, Gramps wants to stop the fight he started because he's been losing for quite a while.
This is indicated by his re-defining of "reasonable person" to "person that agrees with Gramps".
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Greetings Gadfly
No, you oversimplify things sooooo much! It is not always about winning and losing. For me it is more about having a reasonable and logical conversation.
I have many things to do, and have come to the realization that having a straight forward and logical conversation will never happen here.
The definition of insanity I like the best goes something like this. For someone to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
The results I am looking for is not to "win", or even to convince anyone that I am right. It is simply to have a reasonable and logical discussion. That does not happen here.
I have made many mistakes along the way. That's OK. For one not to make mistakes one has to be dead. And for one not to make many mistakes one has to be hiding inside of safe and familiar territories.
I am not one to do that. This internet discussion stuff is new to me. Like most thing I do, I jumped right in. That's OK. It has been fun and educational.
I like and respect most of the people on this site. Especially Paul John who I have had most of my conversations with. But that does not change the fact that trying to have a logical discussion with him or others on this site does not appear to be a realistic expectation.
For now I am focusing on other things. Later I will probably return. I am still contemplating that.
I have also enjoyed your sharp comments and input. They have helped make things fun and interesting.
Gramps.
First, God does not enact compulsory unconsciousness. He does not enact compulsory anything. He simply does not grant eternal life to those who choose a path of rejection from Him and his principles of righteousness. He will not eternalize sin and the resulting suffering it causes.
Second, The reason I refer to people who have "chosen" to be atheists is because of the great lengths they will go to defend their "religion". They even go so far as to deliberately keep taking a conversation in circles pointlessly to avoid facing the issue of God straight on. And often distort or fabricate facts to avoid facing the truth about God.
To me that indicates a choice. That is the main reason I have taken a long break from "discussing" any complicated issues. It becomes just a waste of time.