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I've been a bit absent from these forums for a little while, much to the misfortune of the rest of you. I am quite charming, after all. My apologies.

Anyway, I thought it valuable to announce that I have more or less embraced atheism as one aspect of my belief system. I do still subscribe to quite a few beliefs that people in these forums would ridicule, but so be it. Overall, I feel that I have no option as a thinking person but to embrace reason and logic. For my conversion I have to thank mostly Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time. That's not to say, however, that my discussions on here haven't been immensely influential to my growth and understanding on these matters.

I'm sure no one really cares about this post, but I think it's Right to give credit where credit is due. So there it is.

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If it makes you happy, gratz.

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smartypants wrote:I've been

smartypants wrote:

I've been a bit absent from these forums for a little while, much to the misfortune of the rest of you. I am quite charming, after all. My apologies.

Anyway, I thought it valuable to announce that I have more or less embraced atheism as one aspect of my belief system. I do still subscribe to quite a few beliefs that people in these forums would ridicule, but so be it. Overall, I feel that I have no option as a thinking person but to embrace reason and logic. For my conversion I have to thank mostly Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time. That's not to say, however, that my discussions on here haven't been immensely influential to my growth and understanding on these matters.

I'm sure no one really cares about this post, but I think it's Right to give credit where credit is due. So there it is.

Ryan

 

I have had similar experiences when someone who is at least locally famous will give me a personal reply to a question.  It is always impressive.  Even more so when that someone is globally famous.  I'm glad you are comfortable where you are today.

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Good to have you back. That would be very cool - getting communication from the man himself. It's personally interesting too, because today I have the shits with Hitchens and Dawkins. Not for being who they are or taking the positions they have but for being popular enough to become such easy targets for the godly. What is pissing me off is relentless appeals to denigration of atheism through the popularity of these two. As if their popularity - such as it is - somehow annuls the veracity of their arguments. 

Repeatedly, when reading about atheism in the press, these 2 names come up, following by references to militant atheists or sneering secularists. I know these arguments by christian commentators are no more than cognitive shortcuts in feeble human brains designed by evolution to see living things in every inanimate shadow but it's a shame. I fantasise about some mental giant able to put our entire case coherently, based on what facts there are, with an open algorithm to encompass everything we are yet to know and to do so without the foaming emotion of the God Delusion or Why God is Not Great. Just for the record, I own both these books and enjoyed them, for the most part.

As I've said before, I think Dawkins' best work was Ancestor's Tale, but you don't get christians reading a reverse engineering of evolution in 800 sedimentary pages.

 

P.S. Welcome to phase 2 of godlessness.

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uh-huh

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much to the misfortune of the rest of you. I am quite charming, after all.


Rest assured that your charm is something that can make the sky turn neon pink with love and adoration...

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I'm sure no one really cares about this post, but I think it's Right to give credit where credit is due. So there it is.

The interesting thing about atheism is that it simply means "lack of belief in a God". You don't actually have to give up the whole spirituality component of life.

Btw, I lied! I've never actually traveled outside of the US. I simply pretended to so that I could slip out of reach from a particularly ridiculous ad hom.

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Congrats, smartypants.

Congrats, smartypants. Smiling


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The Hitch responds to email

The Hitch responds to email ? Wow, I'm impressed too.

Welcome back, Ryan. Post more.


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smartypants wrote:I'm sure

smartypants wrote:

I'm sure no one really cares about this post

 

I count myself among the people who feel a little joy every time someone finds wisdom.

Selfish empathy and altruism no doubt as it makes the world a better place.


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smartypants wrote:I've been

smartypants wrote:

I've been a bit absent from these forums for a little while, much to the misfortune of the rest of you. I am quite charming, after all. My apologies.

Well, I don't know how about you, but your opinions and texts are charming.

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Anyway, I thought it valuable to announce that I have more or less embraced atheism as one aspect of my belief system. I do still subscribe to quite a few beliefs that people in these forums would ridicule, but so be it. Overall, I feel that I have no option as a thinking person but to embrace reason and logic. For my conversion I have to thank mostly Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time. That's not to say, however, that my discussions on here haven't been immensely influential to my growth and understanding on these matters.

I'm sure no one really cares about this post, but I think it's Right to give credit where credit is due. So there it is.

Ryan

I'd care much more, if that wouldn't be so vague and I'd have some idea what's going on with you. But I'm curious what change do you expect now that you're as you say more rational. And I hope you really mean your own reason and logic, and not these of self-appointed authorities on them.  I personally dislike Richard Dawkins for his condescending attitude like "isn't the cropped version of the universe I present to you good enough?" Christopher Hitchens so far seems like a better guy and he certainly has balls, when he 2 years ago boldly went where no American went before, to waterboarding torture session. So far, he has my sympathies.

OK, I realize that this is personal and you're unlikely to give any details, specially when some other people on this forum might find them amusing. But welcome back!

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Very cool, Mr. Pants... Glad to see you back


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Luminon wrote:smartypants

Luminon wrote:

smartypants wrote:

I've been a bit absent from these forums for a little while, much to the misfortune of the rest of you. I am quite charming, after all. My apologies.

Well, I don't know how about you, but your opinions and texts are charming.

smartypants wrote:
Anyway, I thought it valuable to announce that I have more or less embraced atheism as one aspect of my belief system. I do still subscribe to quite a few beliefs that people in these forums would ridicule, but so be it. Overall, I feel that I have no option as a thinking person but to embrace reason and logic. For my conversion I have to thank mostly Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time. That's not to say, however, that my discussions on here haven't been immensely influential to my growth and understanding on these matters.

I'm sure no one really cares about this post, but I think it's Right to give credit where credit is due. So there it is.

Ryan

I'd care much more, if that wouldn't be so vague and I'd have some idea what's going on with you. But I'm curious what change do you expect now that you're as you say more rational. And I hope you really mean your own reason and logic, and not these of self-appointed authorities on them.  I personally dislike Richard Dawkins for his condescending attitude like "isn't the cropped version of the universe I present to you good enough?" Christopher Hitchens so far seems like a better guy and he certainly has balls, when he 2 years ago boldly went where no American went before, to waterboarding torture session. So far, he has my sympathies.

OK, I realize that this is personal and you're unlikely to give any details, specially when some other people on this forum might find them amusing. But welcome back!

It isn't a secret. But it also isn't like anything all that important has changed, either. I more or less still believe what I did when I first joined here. I just came to the realization that what I've believed all this time isn't a "god." That is, it isn't something necessarily external to me or any other living creature.


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 Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time.

You mind sharing the letter and response with Hitchens' permission of course?

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EXC wrote:smartypants

EXC wrote:

smartypants wrote:

 Christopher Hitchens (to whom, btw, I posed a question by email to which he responded in probably less than 15 minutes. I was extremely flattered, impressed, and grateful). I've not had the genuine affection and respect for a straight guy like I have for him in a long time.

You mind sharing the letter and response with Hitchens' permission of course?

This was quite a while ago, so I'm not sure I still have the email, but I can look. He was very nice, actually, as you might expect. What I wasn't expecting was such a fast response.