Patriotic songs

Yes again, you guessed it.
My 7-year-old daughter came from school and when I asked her what they did there she said they had music and started to learn the song "America America ... ".
Well, I was a bit surprised that gospel lyrics is taught in public schools, but it does not stick to my daughter (yet) since she does not really recall the words (at least she says so).
I started to search a bit, and to a great disruption in my stomach I found that even the full text of the national anthem refers to "In God is our Trust".
... I was on my way packing bags... but I then I checked the new national anthem of Russian Federation and to my horror it now states "The land blessed by God."
Okay. I did not give up. Next. United Kingdom! oh, no! In addition to "God save the Queen" it has the following remarkable part, which may characterize the role of Christianity pretty well:
O Lord, our God, arise, Scatter her enemies, And make them fall. Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks, On Thee our hopes we fix, God save us all. Next. "Deutschland Deutschland ueber alles." Perhaps the most atheistic. Next. France : Great God ! By chained hands
Our foreheads would bow under the yoke
Vile despots would become
The masters of our destinies!
I start to believe that ignorance is blessing....
And now I understand that what bothers me the most is NOT those multiple references to gods in official and other patriotic songs. And I would teach my daughter the words of God Bless America myself. What bothers me that most is that people in America are stoically looking backwards to the times when religions ruled, and they refuse to look forward to the world with no religions. And these people will fight for their dogmas, and I have no doubt they will kill to prove that God is Lord to their own little crazy brains. It is always the same "you are not with us, you are against us" - Lenin, Jesus, Mickey Mouse, Hitler, Bush, who's next? This disturbs and scares me.
How about you? Do you think rational thinking will eventually win or we are doomed to go through this over and over again?
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And, by the way, should we change or replace the songs eventually?
Just found, our music teacher received her education at a religious university. Probably gospels is all she knows...
Minus music class...
What's next?
Homeschooling is the answer for atheist kids in the US?
I don't know, I enjoy church music. I majored in music at a state public university for 3 years. Had to give it up as I don't have the drive to be a full time professional. And I was studying classical music - which means Handel and Haydn and Bach and masses and glorias and so on...... I rather liked it. The one I really liked was the Chichester Psalms by Leonard Bernstein. The university choir sang it in Hebrew. And Foure's Requiem Mass - truly a celestial piece of music. I also like gospel clap your hands and belt it music. The major reason I tried to believe in religion was because I enjoyed choir and the music. I began singing in the children's choir when I was about 5 or 6.
My love of music did not overwhelm my reason. I quit going to church not because the music was bad, but because try as hard as I could, religion makes no sense to me.
I don't know of any where you can go that is free of religion. My two older sons are not religious. The youngest goes to church for companionship. He doesn't really understand what they are telling him as he is learning disabled. He is a very pragmatic man, my youngest son, and I don't expect it to last for long. I didn't try to isolate them, but did my best to inoculate them with logic and reason.
In the pledge - which she will surely learn in school - it says "one nation, under god, indivisible, ....." I remember my mom stumbling over this phrase since when she was a girl, "under god" wasn't in there. "In god we trust" is on all the money. Many schools still say "benedictions" before school sponsored events. I taught my sons to stand quietly during these invocations. But we didn't bow our heads and we didn't repeat - amen.
My grandson goes to public school - he is almost 15 - 16? How time flies by. And he has always attended public school. He is the most outspoken atheist. Tells the other kids they are being ripped off by religion. I'm proud that he is outspoken, but I am also a little worried that someone may get really upset about it and hurt him.
So I think that not hiding it from your children is the better course. Just talk about it. Point out the logical fallacies. Teach her science at home - the kitchen is great. Mixtures (salads), suspensions (salad dressing), and solutions (dish washing detergent). The 2nd LOT while you are cooking on the stove. Pressure and flow while water is running in the sink or stochastic processes or chaos theory. My grandson joyfully threw up his arms during one of our sessions when he was learning to cook - "Science is everywhere!" Teach her that.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
Thank you.
WOW! You know materials science! I'm in physics, so she will be unavoidably exposed to science.
Actually, I graduated from a music school, so all the same classical music stuff here. Again, I also like some church music (well, Bach, naturally), but from what I hear they start to learn some "New Hallelujah" gospel. The teacher claims it is an old African song. I was stunned. My problem with this is that I have to explain the meaning of the songs to my daughter myself. And I am afraid that at the end she will either disbelieve me or her teacher.
Yeah, guys. The truth will out. I nearly convinced my christian mum of plate tectonics over a bowl of tomato soup t'other rainswept night.
"Look ma," says I. "See the wee convection currents causing those continents of bubbles to move outward from the centre of the bowl..."
"Errrr," replied she.
"They're god's convection currents," I weazled. "Not mine. He must have meant convention in fluids to work this way."
"Yes, he must. Oh, I see."
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
I think we're all a long way from abandoning our traditional national anthems. It could happen, but it would be long after we're all dead. You wouldn't just be fighting religion, but tradition.
I would have more hope about the pledge of allegiance and the money saying in God we trust though, those might be fixable in the mid term.
@CJ: Great ideas!
@AE: Lol.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.
It's my engineering degree. Systems Engineering they expose you to a lot of different disciplines without a lot of depth in anything but black boxes. So I had inorganic chemistry, physics with calculus, statics, dynamics, introduction to electrical engineering, and bunches of other unrelated stuff. The idea being that you can then talk to anyone about any aspect of a system. I don't think I've hardly used any of the class work except for teaching my grandson about science in the kitchen.
She is young, yes? At this time, she will believe you. And you will have to explain the meaning of lots of ideas in this world very often while she is young.
This is how growing up works. When your child is very young, you teach her to say please and thank you, to pick up her toys and question the world around her. When she is a teenager, she will rebel. She will not be polite and her room will look like a pig sty. Patience. Your real daughter will return to you. When you come home one day, her room will be cleaned up, the front room dusted and vacuumed and dinner started in the kitchen. She will suddenly become the cheerful rational person you remembered as a child.
My strongest recommendation for you is to not give her religion as a reason to rebel. Teens have a tendency to pick what they see their parents get most upset about for the focus of their rebellion. If you make religion your obvious hot button, she will push it when she goes through that stage of her life. Try to be more tolerant now, so she will pick something less stressful for you to rebel over.
LOL My oldest son rebelled by being Mr. Preppy - he ironed his clothes, wore button down shirts, and kept his hair short but not buzzed. I kept trying to get him to wear a multi-colored mohawk. Worked like a charm.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
He started wearing t-shirts and jeans! He joined the Air Force so his hair hasn't changed.
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.