Is the USA the biggest terrorist,worse than Hamas or Hezbollah.

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Is the USA the biggest terrorist,worse than Hamas or Hezbollah.

    Are we really worse then all the terrorist groups that we have been taught to hate ?


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You'd have to define

You'd have to define terrorism...


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Blake wrote:You'd have to

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You'd have to define terrorism...

terrorism has a definition you know. Depending who you ask it may vary a little bit but a general working definition

"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear"

 

To answer the question no the US does not unless they do the above without my knowledge. To my knowledge they don't target civilians to instill fear. They might I just don't read up on what the US does anymore.

 

As to if they are worse, well not really sure the USA can pull some dick moves but at the end of the day the world needs its bully boy or there would be far less order in the world.

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Ken G. wrote:    Are we

Ken G. wrote:

    Are we really worse then all the terrorist groups that we have been taught to hate ?

 

We?.... No..... Our Gov't in Collusion with Multinational business?... Perhaps.... it all depends on perspective I guess...

 

How many of us would be upset if the people who we call "Terrosists" today were to enact their vengeance upon corperate CEO's, Litigators and, Legislators who just might be the reason they have their world view?


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Blake wrote:You'd have to

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You'd have to define terrorism...

Organized global evil-doing. The problem with USA is, that whatever it does, it's big and global.
For example, Czech Republic is economically and politically a terrible place full of untouchable thieves who rob blind their own people and generations to come, for personal profit. If Czech politicians would rule Earth, they would ransack it and sell what remains to Martians and Venusians for raw material. But they don't, this local shit pit doesn't spread abroad, at most it only attracts vultures and hyenas. (foreign investors) This is something that America isn't good at, I mean staying within it's own state borders.

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Tapey wrote:To answer the

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To answer the question no the US does not unless they do the above without my knowledge. To my knowledge they don't target civilians to instill fear. They might I just don't read up on what the US does anymore.

 

 

Does "By Proxy" count? Because if so, America's #1

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I would say that the nature

I would say that the nature of warfare and confilict is that the dirtiest meanest SOBs are going to win. Warfare is inevitable as long as we have population growth unrestrained by rational controls. We live on a small planet with limited resouses, so we must fight for control until we can all agree to limit family sizes. So our tribe must instill more terror if we want to win.

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Tapey wrote:Blake

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You'd have to define terrorism...

terrorism has a definition you know. Depending who you ask it may vary a little bit but a general working definition

"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear"

 

You'd have to be a bit more specific, even, than that.

 

For example:

 

The Doomed Soul wrote:

Does "By Proxy" count? Because if so, America's #1

 

A large part of it also depends on whether you consider the two particular packages we delivered to Japan towards the end of WWII to be terrorism.

 

 

The U.S. has skirted the line quite a bit, so a *very* exact definition would be required- including more specifics as to context.

 


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Blake wrote:Tapey

Blake wrote:

Tapey wrote:

Blake wrote:

You'd have to define terrorism...

terrorism has a definition you know. Depending who you ask it may vary a little bit but a general working definition

"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear"

 

You'd have to be a bit more specific, even, than that.

 

For example:

 

The Doomed Soul wrote:

Does "By Proxy" count? Because if so, America's #1

 

A large part of it also depends on whether you consider the two particular packages we delivered to Japan towards the end of WWII to be terrorism.

 

 

The U.S. has skirted the line quite a bit, so a *very* exact definition would be required- including more specifics as to context.

 

Yeah the problem is there is no universal defination, use what you got. But from what I know a state cannot perform terrorism as it holds the legitimate use of force/violence. If a state were to fly a plane into a building it wouldn't be terrorism but rather an act of war. Well thats about all i can remember from my semester doing international relations.

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Tapey wrote:Yeah the problem

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Yeah the problem is there is no universal defination, use what you got.

 

Exactly, but as the question wasn't posed by me, I wanted to use the definition of the original poster.

Basically, I was just saying that the uncertainty in the definition itself is so great that, depending on that used, the answer could range to either extreme- not in so many words.

 

After all, I like to think of anti-vaxers as terrorists- given that they use terror and mass hysteria for coercion instead of legitimate means of discourse or evidence.  I don't know that I would consider acts of war to be terrorism.

It's pretty much just an emotionally charged word that has become functionally useless due to lacking in discrete and agreed upon meaning.


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Tapey wrote:terrorism has a definition you know.

    Yes,terrorism does have a definition,that us in the USA have,but if you are living in Iraq or Afghanistan or Palestine your definition has a completely different outlook.The USA has imperial ambitions that we have learned to ignore because of the media, where propaganda rules the day.We (USA) are responsible for many democratically elected Presidents to be overthrown,an to instill a dictatorship that the will take orders from Washington,like the democratically elected President of Iran(Mosaddegh) in 1953,and we put into office the Shah of Iran(see Steven Kinser book "All the Shah's men),until the people of Iran got feed up with him,which led to the Ayatollahs to step in,most people in Iran today hate the Mullahs that has led to many problems in Iran.Then you got the first 9-11 in Chile September 1973 in which Pinochet established a military dictatorship (backed by Washington) overthrew Allende another democratically elected President who was said to have committed suicide, and the list goes on.Chalmers Johnson wrote three very important books,Blowback:the cost and consequences of the American Empire, The Sorrows of Empire:Militarism,Secrecy and the end of the Republic and Nemesis:The last days of the American Republic,or William Blum's book "Rogue State:A Guide to the World's only Superpower.America is addicted to Power.The Culture of Terrorism by Noam Chomsky,in which he shows us the terrorism of the Reagan Administration in South America. Watch Chomsky on how Hamas policies are more conducive to peace than Israel's or the USA's --- remember "What we say Goes" Noam Chomsky.Terrorism today is defined by America,acts of violence in which we don't approve of. O'wait a minute,I almost forgot John Stockwell (Third World War-the CIA's war on Humans. a former CIA officer on the secret wars of the CIA and the NSA. Also John Pilger's book "Democracy:Next Time "

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Ken G. wrote:  

Ken G. wrote:

    Yes,terrorism does have a definition,that us in the USA have,but if you are living in Iraq or Afghanistan or Palestine your definition has a completely different outlook.The USA has imperial ambitions that we have learned to ignore because of the media, where propaganda rules the day.We (USA) are responsible for many democratically elected Presidents to be overthrown,an to instill a dictatorship that the will take orders from Washington,like the democratically elected President of Iran(Mosaddegh) in 1953,and we put into office the Shah of Iran(see Steven Kinser book "All the Shah's men),until the people of Iran got feed up with him,which led to the Ayatollahs to step in,most people in Iran today hate the Mullahs that has led to many problems in Iran.Then you got the first 9-11 in Chile September 1973 in which Pinochet established a military dictatorship (backed by Washington) overthrew Allende another democratically elected President who was said to have committed suicide, and the list goes on.Chalmers Johnson wrote three very important books,Blowback:the cost and consequences of the American Empire, The Sorrows of Empire:Militarism,Secrecy and the end of the Republic and Nemesis:The last days of the American Republic,or William Blum's book "Rogue State:A Guide to the World's only Superpower.America is addicted to Power.The Culture of Terrorism by Noam Chomsky,in which he shows us the terrorism of the Reagan Administration in South America. Watch Chomsky on how Hamas policies are more conducive to peace than Israel's or the USA's --- remember "What we say Goes" Noam Chomsky.Terrorism today is defined by America,acts of violence in which we don't approve of. O'wait a minute,I almost forgot John Stockwell (Third World War-the CIA's war on Humans. a former CIA officer on the secret wars of the CIA and the NSA. Also John Pilger's book "Democracy:Next Time "

 

I agree with the above poster,  if you look at the US expansionist adventures around  the world you'll realize we are stressing over a propaganda term. "At present, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism." Much like the Terror alert colors, coalition of the willing, axis of evil..etc. These are all propaganda terms that are used when the media finds it convenient. If you want to say does the US do things equally as terrible as the Taliban and Hezbollah my answer would be clearly yes. They do it under a different guise and perhaps more covertly but yes the US is directly responsible for "acts of terror" as I would imagine every economic power in the world is including China and the UK.


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funknotik wrote:every economic power....China and the UK.

  Well,there has never been a State that overthrows governments like the good old USA.Another good read is John Perkins book "The Secret History of the American Empire -

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