Is Jesus the biggest HOAX in the history of mankind?
THis was just too funny so I had to post it. I asked someone else about this and his response was:
"No. High-fructose corn syrup is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.
Jesus is #2."
LMAO!!
Thoughts? How would people you know respond if you asked them this question?
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I know how I would respond: "Jesus is almost certainly not a hoax. It is a myth, certainly, and may well contain very few, or no traces, of historical relevance, but a HOAX implies a deliberate deception, which seems rather silly to assume. Never expect malice, where stupidity and incompetence will suffice.
Concepts like hear-say, confirmation bias, independently verifiable evidence and all sorts of other modern ideas were just not part of peoples considerations 2000 years ago, and Jesus was just one of a billion myths, some big and some small, that were around at the time. I'm not saying everyone believed everything everyone else said back then, but to suspect a hoax regarding the Jesus myth, is to suggest something massively more complicated than is needed to explain the prevalence of Christianity today.
All of human history up until very reasently, amounts to one HUGE game of Chinese whispers, involving billions of people, speaking hundreds of different languages, with thousands of different personal and political motivations each, not to mention playing trillions and trillions of SIMULTANIOUS games of Chinese whispers at the same time, not just one.
So to suspect that there is ANYTHING trustworthy about the Jesus myth is silly, but to suspect it to have been perpetrated by one person, or a small conspiracy of people, with direct malicious intent, is equally silly.
How could a hoax survive the game of chinese whispers when the truth cannot?
Well I was born an original sinner
I was spawned from original sin
And if I had a dollar bill for all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money piled up to my chin
So what else might be the biggest hoax in history?
How about one that you have not even heard of?
Here I will submit Blue green algae as at least possible.
OK, algae is plants. Tiny plants but still plants. Lots of hippie type people use algae in place of multivitanins. Perhaps it contains the nutrients that a specific person needs. Or not. It fails to matter.
The hippie type people have some idea that algae is food. And therefore it is good for you. Heck, they might even be right. If they happen to be right, it will not be because they set out to be right. It will be because they stumbled into it.
Personally, I like beer. Beer is made from tiny plants. It has all the good stuff in it. That and it gets me drunk.
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Bottled water. If beer came out of my kitchen faucet for almost nothing I wouldn't be paying 1000 times more for it in a labeled bottle. This is the ultimate in marketing scams.
Please note: If beer came out of my kitchen tap I wouldn't have the ability to leave the house and buy beer anyway.
Understanding that there is no purpose in the Universe frees us all to find one.
They are sort of right, but rather frivilously so. Yeah, it contains loads of nutrients, protein, etc. But for the same price as a bottle of algae (around $40) you could buy twenty pounds of traditional food plants (like broccoli, kale, etc.) to feed you for many weeks, which incidentally *also* contain those nutrients (just in slightly lower densities)- the practical solution would seem to be to eat more plants, not a small amount of super-dense incredibly expensive plants.
Addendum: Looks like good old-fashioned capitalistic competition brought the price down on spirulina in the past couple years. Now (dried, in large amounts) it's actually kind of comparable to other vegetables (maybe only a little more expensive). The FDA does need to regulate it, though, because of the potential for other kinds of algae to grow in the facilities which can contribute toxins to the final product (Spirulina is fine, but without good protocols, other kinds of algae that aren't fine can also grow along side it and be potentially lethal- a concern that doesn't exist for broccoli).
Spirulina has the potential to be substantially cheaper than other food plants if it catches on, because it could be grown in sufficient quantities in glass tubes on one's roof or in one's backyard, cutting out the cost of distribution-- and it grows much faster than vegetables in a garden, giving substantially higher yield per square meter (this is largely because it's not necessary for the algae to waste energy and time growing all of the support structures like stalks and leaves, and defense mechanisms from predators, since it's free-floating). It's something NASA is investigating for a source of food in space: docs.google.com/viewer
Not quite a hoax, but definitely entirely unnecessary while other plants are still cheaper. However, in a sense I am thankful for the irrationality of people buying a more expensive product for no good reason, because it has the potential (with adequate infrastructure and processing techniques) to become a very cheap source of food, and that irrational demand is driving the market in a very rational way to that end.
Personally, I'm not going to buy the stuff until 1. It's cheaper than broccoli per nutrition content, and 2. The FDA steps in and calls "bullshit" on the supplement claim and provides some regulation to prevent toxic algae from entering into the food supply.
It would also be nice if 3. Somebody came up with a way to make it not smell and taste like pond scum (maybe a deodorizing process).
Most land plants are 1.2-2% efficient in their photosynthetic processes. Sugar cane is the most efficient land plant at about 8%. Algae can run 30-40% efficient. One of the reasons is not the lack of woody structure but that it is an aquatic plant. That is, it doesn't have to stop respirating due to excessive evapotranspiration rates. Most land plants must stop respirating if the humidity is too low as they will die from drought.
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That makes sense, thanks. I thought there was something else to it, with regards to the aqueous environment, but I wasn't sure what.
Not a baseball fan, but still remember this line from an episode of the TV show Moonlighting, with Bruce Willace.
Q: What about the 69 Mets?
A: A Myth and a hoax
Baseball fans will get that joke.
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Well Blake, I understand what you are saying and to an extent, I can agree.
However, looking at a couple of web sites that sell the stuff, I am finding that even the generic product is running north of $25/pound right now. While it has food value, such prices are not in keeping with the general properties of food. Such prices are rather more in keeping with me having a waiter bring me the stuff and making me feel like I have received far more than the food value.
Also, as far as the idea of the stuff being grown in well regulated conditions, if that was what the hippie type had going on, then I would be happy for them. However, they are not paying those prices for a laboratory grown product. In fact, if one suggests laboratory grown stuff, the hippie people will respond with adjectives such a “sterile” and “unnatural”. When they do that, the come off to me as little different for the RC crowd being opposed to rubbers.
I can go further. Do you know why the stuff smells and tastes like pond scum? Well, they are paying for “Lake Klammath Algae”. That is right, they actually scrape it off the surface of a pond. Well a huge fucking lake actually but still...
This bring us to the idea of the stuff being regulated so that it can be free of contaminants. Some forms of algae produce neuro-toxins that are more dangerous for you than the venom of snakes found only in Africa. Yet the stuff that is being sold for way too much money is where the deal is and any attempt to reduce the risk is considered to be unacceptable.
Well, I do have to grant the hippie type people one point. Given that they are willing to pay gold rush level prices for this stuff, companies that would make it are in a position where they lack the incentive to provide a growth medium which might actually have the specific nutrients that might be found in nature. It is a simple matter of capitalistic profit maximization.
Also, I have another matter to touch on about lake Klamath. It is, in fact, downhill from a large agricultural region. So the reason why it produces so damned much pond scum is because of the nitrogen based runoff that enters the lake. If and when the farmers in the area learn that they can save large amounts of cash by targeted application of fertilizer, the whole idea of that particular lake having huge crops of harvesteable pond scum will collapse.
Unless, of course, the people who are getting rich on the deal learn to hit the lake with fertilizer themselves. But then the hippies are going to have to deal with the idea that the lake is being jacked to produce the stuff. Not that is it not already but the harvesters are not at fault today.
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I believe that is dry weight. Compare to dried broccoli, which is half that price per pound in bulk ($12.50), and the difference isn't so extreme ( www.amazon.com/Dehydrated-Broccoli ).
Now... compare the nutrition facts of freeze dried broccoli and Spirulina. See what I mean?
You wouldn't sit down and eat a pound of dried algae; that's crazy. Not only would it be almost impossible to eat dry, but it's nutritionally overkill- that's at least five times the protein you'd need for an entire day (and exceeds many mineral requirements by a factor of almost ten).
Divide that scary 25 dollar number by five, then, and $5 a day to fulfill most of your nutritional needs isn't really quite so bad for a food product. It's a little steep when compared to spaghetti, but not by much.
Some is harvested in that nasty lake, but others are grown in more controlled conditions. You're right, the idea of opposing something for being unnatural is pretty crazy; not all health food advocates are though. Some are perfectly happy with nice, clean, hydroponics. The dried stuff is usually cultured in machinery, I believe-- I suspect that's why the price went down. I'm not really curious enough to do that much research on each brand, though.
I thought it tasted and smelled like pond scum because algae *is* the taste and smell of pond scum- if I'm wrong and algae grown in more sterile conditions doesn't have that smell and taste, I'd be thrilled to be corrected.
Japanese Nori that wraps up sushi is also algae - larger in size and so we call it seaweed. Lots of soy sauce will cover up the taste.
If people are raising spirulina in ponds that are stagnant, then it would affect the flavor. The Japanese Nori farms are in low lying tidal areas so the algae gets fresh circulated seawater.
http://www.zuozuo.com/jelly-news-137.html
This site is probably more than you ever wanted to know: http://www.fao.org/fishery/culturedspecies/Porphyra_spp/en
-- I feel so much better since I stopped trying to believe.
"We are entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own facts"- Al Franken
"If death isn't sweet oblivion, I will be severely disappointed" - Ruth M.
I can barely stand the taste of nori, either, although it's a bit better than the spirulina I've had. But yes, you are right- large amounts of soy sauce and other spices can cover it up, so that may be the same with spirulina as well. The amount of soy sauce needed, though, starts to add to the cost and could be nutritionally (and taste) prohibitive with regards to the amount of salt added.
I hold out more hope for some deodorizing process, such as is used with vegetable oil, though.
Different methods of growing it can increase the ratio of carbohydrates, so maybe if sufficiently altered the algae could produce largely sugar, and then be used as a feeding stock for yeast (which tastes much better- even good/cheesy).
I'm just saying that Jesus has been built up over thousands of years to be this larger than life, immortal, superhuman, KINGS of KINGS figure while in reality he's just a mythical being that was FORCED by an emperor of a DEAD empire (Roman) for political reasons!
The evidence is clear that there are no historical references to Jesus or ANY character or event in the bible despite the fact that there were many historical figures at the time who left records like Justis of Tiberius, Columella Phlegon, Josephus Seneca, Favorinus Ptolemy, etc.
There are also records written in STONE in Egypt that NEVER mention any Jesus or Moses or ANY Bible character or event! So in relation to how he's probably the most famous figure in the history of the world yet in reality he's just a myth it's safe to say he's the biggest hoax in the history of mankind!!
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I only disagree with the first line. Jesus was a myth created out of thin air [and ancient predictions] by Paul of Tarsus in a very short period of time. Like in Pauls lifetime. The rest of us are stuck with Pauls delusions.
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I meant to say the story of Jesus has been built up for thousands of years by successive generations talking about him forever but he's been a total bust that never comes back. So you are correct in that the myth was created over just a few years.
Can you please expound on that and explain how Paul of Tarsus created the Jesus myth?
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