WHY AM I A CHRISTIAN???

Well, let's be honest. To be an Christian would mean you're very selfish. There are no rules, kind of like anarchy. Yeah, there are rules of Godt but not rules philosophical speaking - it's just whatever Yahweh says goes. So if i want to be consistent as a Christian, i could technically kill my neighbor for picking up sticks in his back yard on the Sabbath, or sell my daughter as a sex slave to her rapist for 30 pieces of silver, and call it a day.

Also i'm an Christian so nobody but Yahweh can hold me accountable. I can be an asshole and stone my child to death for cussing at me, and it's like, oh you're a Christian, Leviticus says to do that - that's okay. Or you can murder the women and children of nonbelievers and take their virgin daughters as sex slaves . You're be arrested, but you won't feel bad, because the Bible told me to do it. Oh okay.

Another reason why I'm an Christian is because of an ego trip. Yeah, i can be extremely arrogant - it's fun pretending that I have an invisible sky daddy with magical powers, and telling everyone else they're going to hell. When people notice this about me, what do i say? I remind them, hey i'm a a Christian and that I'm just telling them what the Bible says, and their like, oh, please continue

Yet another reason would be pride. I can be very proud and not humbling.

And yet again, i can rape, pillage, and plunder. I can kill my neighbor for eating shrimp, kill infidels and rape their daughters, and murder my daughter if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. There's no reason for me to feel guilty at all. Why is that? i'm a Christian and Yahweh says it's okay, remember.

Also, i get to target the weak atheists and try to recruit them to my cult. The strong ones let's leave them alone - because deep down I know that the Bible's all a lie and that creationism can't stand up to science.

And finally i get to be a hypocrite. I get to claim that I'm speaking the truth on the street and deny it in the classroom when I try (and fail) to disprove evolution.

It's so fun being an Christian. No morals or ethics - if Yahweh tells me to burn my daughter or rape virgins, it's cool. No meaning or purpose in life - I'm just a pawn created by an evil sociopathic deity who gets jollies out of rape, torture, and genocide . No sense of beauty or objective love - I only have worth because an evil God Yahweh says so - if he changes his mind and says I'm worthless and deserve to burn in hell, then it's true because He says so. I don't have to love my children - if my children annoy me and talk back to me, then Yahweh says I can murder them - since loving my kids are just brain squirts in my head. They don't have worth since they're born with original sin. When my daughter gives me a hug, my head squirts, that's all.

Perhaps someday when Atheism is illegal, we Christians will burn Christians at the stake, just as devout Christians like Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer did. This is consistent anyway - the Bible says all nonbelievers shall be put to death.

So I can remain ignorant but via a leap of blind faith just go nutty nuts. And build a website and start different denominations of Christianity so i'm off the hook when atheists are like, what? You're a weak Christianity now? lol.

But there is this one Christian who self owns himself and saves us the trouble of even having to debunk him - Jean Chauvin. My nose has been bleeding for days from all the laughter. and i'm afraid it will continue as long as his bazooka of unintentional comedy is pointing my way.

Respectfully Yours.

Selfishly,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

   Are you EVEN able to understand another's 'view' ?  Unconditional surrender or intellectually prostituting yourself to God ?

  Christ as amputee!

    For once rise above the reception mister!  Not to rock the boat or incur wrath.  Doesnt I Cor. 12:27 says, Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. (NKVJ), for those dont know what I'm referencing?  I am honestly inquisitive. Why do I read about so many who fall away? Now before you start into a mini-sermonet. Have you or your fellows ever bothered to ask or talk with the de-convertered? It is entirely conceivable you collectively have not provided the answers  to their questions or people are unimpressed with the 'answers'.  Moreover, It's like each life has to re-invent the wheel. How costly will that be ?

Hi Apollo Creed,

Let's see, since atheism is death, you must steal my lines? You're like a 7th grader wanting me to go tell suzzy you like her lol.

Atheism has no absolutle knowledge, it has no absolute reality, or ethics or beauty. Logicaly speaking, via the system of atheism, you're like monkeys throwing poop at your Uncle Bob.

Now i understand you were programmed in the public school system, but try to light a match in a small brain cell and think. Christianity has philosophical reasoning and answers to lifes questions. Reality, knowledge, beauty, justice, truth. atheism does not.

And since we are all evil (Jeremiah 17:3), then naturally, to be left alone with an atheist and a monkey, all you get as the end result is your uncle on a stick.

Regarding the lady with chinese chop sticks in her hair. what??? lol. I just placed myself in the view of being an atheist. I just did. My whole OP was relating to your selfish ugly evil found in the lonely pathetic sess pool of atheism.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Hi Freeze, Put Your Gun Down,

Ugh, we've discussed this before. lol. There are many atheist denominations. You're not really an atheist, you're an agnostic. Come on. Also. Weak atheist is the denial of an argument. If it's nothing, then you cannot argue. All you can do is pick your nose and kiss cheeleaders.

Via argument. there is an negation and an assertion. So via the Atheist Christian argument, you must negate via the denial of my claim that being the object of content thus God Himself.

Also. ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL logical arguments begin with assumptions. The proof however is determined via it's soundness of it's premises. So this statement just means you have no idea what logic is.

And finally, i've givem my argument a thousand times, yes, Christianity does have answers to life's questions. Atheist cannot answer any.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

1. Name an atheist denomination.

2. Give Christianity's answer to any of life's questions. Note: "God did it", "It's God's will" or any of their variants is not an answer.

3. Since atheism is death and Christianity kills will you become an atheist when you die?

Hello,

Strong Atheism vs. Weak. LaVay's Atheism vs. Skeptical Atheism. etc.

Epistemology. Only Christianity allows one to know. All other systems is a failure in this area and admit it by denying absolutes in their system.

Christ gives life.

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Actually, in logic truth and false is not to be used. But valid and sound. And yes, i am very good at logic.

Exactly, the consistency of the argument. This is why i bring atheism to it's logical consistent conclusions. Since consistent atheists end up looking like Mao, this should cause you to think youre nutty nuts. Also, empiricism by definintion is never deductive.

The  Bayesian analysis is again in reference to probability via statistics. We've discussed this Bob. But the probability of any data always has a probable ratio of error thus always removing you from absolute knowledge. It's always a guess.

Confidence is irrealavant to logic. Logic is just argument structure and validity in relation to soundness. Bob i taught YOU logic. lol. come on.

rofl. what? bob what? Forever ago you were a proponent of a kind of goofy contradiction with legs. a kind of Descartes Rationalist and Hume Empiricist. WOuld that make you a HUMEanist? (that's funny).

And you defended empiricism with your life. NOW you're telling me that weakest source is experientialintuitive? Thus you just said bob that empiricism is the weakest form of knowing. Thank ya. Finally lol. I feel like I achieved victory here.

Atheism replaces theology with anthropology. But since anthropology is stuck in the mud of particulars, then atheism brings nothing but selfish evil.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Such simple questions and you still fail.

Strong atheism and weak atheism are not denominations. LaVey was a satanist. Satanism is not atheism. Atheists don't believe in Satan - did you forget?

Where does atheism deny absolutes? Some atheists may. Christianity, however, denies that there is an absolute morality for the believer. "Do what you want and be forgiven later" is the Christian way.

"Christ gives life" is one of those variants that is not an acceptable answer. You're 0 for 2 - are you sure you're trying?

If you are so good at logic, Jean, why do you keep attacking your straw man version of atheism?

Confidence is not even relavent to the accessment of your knowledge which you admit is always probable. I am absolutely postive about God via logic and faith which is equalavent to knowledge. As a result, my confidence flows. Actions flows from and away from it's base. So my confidence is because i have Biblical logical faith.

Oxymoron's would mean those terms are still right lol. A paradox is what i think you meant. lol. So then if they are oxymoron's you agree with my assessment? well thanks bob.

I know you atheists have bene lazy while i've been gone. Getting away with sloppiness, but i'm back and due or die bob. I'm afraid yet again, you're dead.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

While it is true that not ALL atheists are relatvists, all consistent ones are. To be an atheist and not into relativity woudl mean you're inconsistent. Historically speaking this is true also.

I've done this before many times. Remember? I've framed my reference.

Since God is omnipotent and omniscient and omnipotent He is outside of time ontologically speaking. Not neccessarily economically speaking. So since ALL ALL logical arguments begin with an assumption, We assume God as a first principle and His Word. And then doctrines found in Scripture implications of those axioms.

You have no reference of knowing. So you can't say relativity is like apples to some. You don' t know. YOu can't even say probably. If you are a relativist, lol, then why speak in absolute terms? You said some are A and some are NOt A. You just spoke absolutely. Via your relativity, i am also right. lol.

You're like a pig stuck in the mud. And only Jesus can get you out.

Faith is knowing. The knowledge of salvation. It is not blind but logical. Thus I can reason logicallyl because of faith. IN the words of anselm.

Credo Ut Intelligum (I believe in order to understand).

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

The existence and attributes of God are, and can only be, conjecture.

Logic can tell you nothing but the implications of the input propositions, so to prove 'God' you still need empirical evidence. Logic can only disprove propositions, if it can demonstrate they are inconsistent/contradictory.

Faith is absence of knowledge, pure wishful thinking. It is the antithesis of logic.

There is no absolute knowledge except relational, ie IF A then B, or definitional, ie bachelors are unmarried.

"1 + 1 = 2" is true by virtue of the definition of the terms, ie it is tautological, the conclusion is implicit from the definitions.

Ktulu, you really do "get it". I like your style and approach..

energy for some one who alleges he's dying, our Jean. 

double post

I'm surprised this guy hasn't been sent to Trollville. He obviously isn't here to debate anything, he's just posting this crap to get a rise out of people.

Jean's actually halfway right regarding "atheist denominations" and "LaVeyan Satanism". He fails to acknowledge some things though.

1: For there to be a denomination, there must be organization. While atheists disagree on some things, and some place more or less emphasis on reason, there's no organized atheist group that dictates our atheism. Yes, there are clubs and advocacy groups and such, but nothing like a church.

2: LaVey's religion is atheistic. Much like Buddhism, some schools of Hinduism, and hell, some christians. That doesn't make it a denomination of atheism any more than any of those groups.

Hi KTULA,

You need to define knowledge. If you're talking about personal knowledge "that works for you" but not your neighbor across the street, that would be accurate. But subjectively speaking, 2+2 -4 since your thinking is 100% subjecive would mean that 2+2 - 4 subjectively and not absolutely. Thus if your mom says the answer is 5, since you're subjective, there's no way to tell her otherwise.

And there's no way to objectively have a complaint regarding Christianity. If your truth is subjective, then my truth is subjective so Christianity is both true and false at the same time.

And since you remain in the finite particular, and cannot connect your knowing outside of yourself, that is antithetical to knowing KTULA, that's ignorance. You've redifined ignorance and called it knowing subjectively.

You claim i'm committing a false dichtomony between absolute knowledge and subjective knowledge. But my dichtomony is not false but true. You haven't defined knowledge and since all truth is relative and subjective then how you define it I cannot apply objectively so what are we doing?

Knowledge is a variable with absolute zero error.

Since subjective knowledge leaves no room for right and wrong really, but a kind of pragmaticism, what works for you, thereby asserting the consequent as a formal logical fallacy, then it is not a false dichtomony but a true dichtomony.

As an atheist, and hypothetically speaking, i would agree with you kind of. But consistently like Zeno's student, i would hide in a cave and say nothing since by the time the sound reached you the meaning would have already changed. 2nd place from that in terms of atheistic consistency would be a skeptic but they have problems also.

Youre right, there are some things that are probable and outside of knowing. However, if God reveals it, then it becomes knowledge. I can actually demonstrate calculus in the Bible. So Calculus is absolutely true.

wait a minute if knowing is subjective, then you can't say all apples are green. That is a universal objective statement. You must say, this apple is green to me. By saying all apples are green is self refuting. You can nnot even describe what an apple is thus you cannot do science or understand true science.

Regarding color, you cannot know color. John Locke and the 3 British empiricist has different views regarind color and they're all weak. Whcih theory do you ascribe to?

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It is true that denominations CAN mean a body or franchize tied into a corporate office. But it also means a state of mind. So for example, the denomination of the Baptists vs. the Pentecostal would be that the state of mind of the Pentecostals would be speaking in tongues. So it's also a theological understanding of your position.

It is the former that I refer to when i speak of athestic denominations.

LaVey Satanism was not really a belief in Satan. It was the consistent belief that the more selfish and evil and self centered and indulgent you are, the more you as a person are satanic. Thus LaVey emphasized satanism in the acts of your own self indulgence. Yes, northern buddhism is also atheistic with a different twist, i'm not sure about Hinduism. Consistent Hinduism any way.

JCG, you make emotional outbursts like a pregnant woman screaming to her husband about wanting to cut off his penis. Try an argument next time.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Jean, why would I need to make an argument against you? You can't logically counter what you call my "emotional outbursts".

If I brought an argument to you you'd stare at me like you were a dog being taught astrophysics.

All you're doing is agreeing with me but you don't see it. Keep writing those self centered posts. You concede more with each one.

If the "grunts" (as you call them) annihilate you on an intellectual level, why should I go further? If you don't understand the simple stuff you'd be totally lost if I went deeper.

Get around to it when you wish - you have a lot of time left.

I assume you're asking a serious set of questions.

First, Lavey is not really true Satanism. This is why his left hand man, left LaVey's group to start his own realy satanic cult of a realy satan. Thomas Aquino . Well, i guess they refer to themselves as Seitians but it's a very severe form of pure satanism.

Look it up on the COS website. There is no satan but the consistency of ones indulgences and desires.

If you once believed but apostasized. If you never believed you're a pagan. But a heretic thinks like a pagan, it's just a categorical difference.

Regarding your verse, Paul also says to test yourself to see if you're in teh faith (II Corinthains 13:5)> Just cause you profess to be a chritsian does make you possesss real christianity. Just like atheism, Just because you profess atheism, doesn't mean you possess the consistentcy of atheism or you would be murderering people.

The Hebrew author was talking about any professing christians that actually are apostates like Judas. Paul never wrote to a Christian in the bible but only professing Christians.

But since atheists are out in the open as wicked pagans, what more is there to gripe about Dante. Hebrew author was talking about the unknown, but you're known to be a bunch of wicked harlots. there's no question.

I rest my case.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Jean, do you know spiritual combat?

Harlots without hearts of gold??

^ jean tries to be clever. It's a good demonstration of theist stupidity, as there is no clever to be found.

   Are you for real ?  Billy Graham is soon to be burning  in Hell?  What about Justification by 'Faith'?

   Pauline script in the Book of Romans "This righteousness is given through faith in Christ Jesus to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus".

I'll explain again about a system. In order for a system to be a system there must be at least one universal to tie it into a system. So for example, Botany, Chemistry, Biology, all have at least 1 tenet to tie it in to meaning.

Christianity has several. One of those universal essentials is how you get to heaven. Jesus says

I am the way the truth and the life, nobody comes to the father, except through me.  (John 14:6).

Billy Graham denies this essential universal thus disqualifying him from the system of Christianity. He is thus an apostate.

On Robert Shuler's little show, he said that Jesus is NOT the only way to get to heaven thus contradicting what Jesus said in John 14:6. Billy said you can be a pagan and never ever hear about Jesus, but if you follow the light you've been given, you'll go to heaven.

Now. you can agree with Billy or me, doesn't matter. What matters is that via the definition of essential Christianity, Billy redefines a trait that is essentail to Christianity as a system is an apostate going to hell. This is one of many other issues. He also finds occultic religions of value.

And he's a democrat which is right there enough to send anybody to hell.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

By your logic about Jesus, Paul (the creator of Christianity) is going to hell.

So...Paul's going to hell, Billy's going to hell, but Jean knows he's one of the elect and is going to heaven.

You've stopped speaking as a follower of God. Now you speak as one believes he is God.