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I am praying for each and everyone one of you hoping that you will come to know Christ as your personal savior.
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Offline Quote:the problem for you is that you can't identify a basis on which to show that the God conjecture is "absurd".No such thing as a non material super brain with magical super powers. Never was, never will be. Claims of such by any name are the same as claiming Klingons are real an vampires are real. No such thing,
No Allah, No Vishnu no Jesus, no Thor, nadda, ziltch, zero..................All comic book claims invented by humans as a gap fill to placate their emotions and egos.
keep telling yourself this Brian.........don't make the corner of that comfort blanket soggy!
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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Offline *Victory by concession* And another one bites the dust.Quote:Guess this guy never heard of ophotosynthesis. But at least he's entertaining in his ignorance of science and logic.The principle of energy loss for useful work still applies in an open system, since there is no benefit unless there is a mechanism to use the energy added, as my post pointed out. I await your solution with interest.
oh dear, I was just longing for someone to fall for this...........just point me to any scientist who proposes photosynthesis as the mechanism by which the proto-organism dirrected energy!!!!!!! Have you ANY clue of its chemical complexity?.........obviously not and btw, logic is immaterial, atheists don't believe in immaterial entities.........but then, you thiink love is observable...........go on, pull out a lump and show us!
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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Offline Brian37 wrote:Quote:the problem for you is that you can't identify a basis on which to show that the God conjecture is "absurd".No such thing as a non material super brain with magical super powers. Never was, never will be. Claims of such by any name are the same as claiming Klingons are real an vampires are real. No such thing,
No Allah, No Vishnu no Jesus, no Thor, nadda, ziltch, zero..................All comic book claims invented by humans as a gap fill to placate their emotions and egos.
keep telling yourself this Brian.........don't make the corner of that comfort blanket soggy!
You say while looking through the holes of your security blanket - way to go Linus.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline freeminer wrote:Brian37 wrote:Quote:the problem for you is that you can't identify a basis on which to show that the God conjecture is "absurd".No such thing as a non material super brain with magical super powers. Never was, never will be. Claims of such by any name are the same as claiming Klingons are real an vampires are real. No such thing,
No Allah, No Vishnu no Jesus, no Thor, nadda, ziltch, zero..................All comic book claims invented by humans as a gap fill to placate their emotions and egos.
keep telling yourself this Brian.........don't make the corner of that comfort blanket soggy!
You say while looking through the holes of your security blanket - way to go Linus.
He's the one postulating the naked assertion of a magical invisible super brain with a magic wand, but I am the one fooling myself? I want to be shocked and surprised but unfortunately Dawkins moth seems to be the norm and over rides reason far more often than not.
He dismisses the magic wands of other god/s without a second thought, but cant apply that same logic to his own claims. It is a sad part of our evolution that this placebo gap filling continues.
I only hope for his sake he wakes up before he wastes his entire life on a myth.
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Offline Two victories in one topic. I'm on a roll.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
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Offline Vastet wrote:That's rich, seeing as you're the one with an invisible friend.
Is this supposed to be masquerading as an argument? You don't believe in love because it' invisible; you don't believe in creativity, honor, truth, morality or any human values because they're "invisible" so you define your life by tiny parameters because most of the entities which make it worthwhile are "invisible" This is your poverty and deep irrationality.
come face to face with the christian belief that only jesus lovers are completely human. The rest of us writhe in the squalor of lives sucked dry of a sense of goodness. Creativity, honor, truth, morality and human values are concepts derived from the human brain. In case it's escaped your attention, we all have one.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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You say while looking through the holes of your security blanket - way to go Linus.
"it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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come face to face with the christian belief that only jesus lovers are completely human.
your capacity for missing the point is, in the true sense of the word, wonderful! YOU are the the ones who go around not only avowedly HOLDING but actively promoting a perverted idea of what a human being IS, to the detriment of the unsuspecting.
The rest of us writhe in the squalor of lives sucked dry of a sense of goodness.
it's an interesting admission but no, I don't think you're "sucked dry of a sense of goodness". You have a sense of morality, you just don't know why.
Creativity, honor, truth, morality and human values are concepts derived from the human brain.
classic reductionism which tells us nothing. If "honor" is just electro-chemical activity, it has no more significance attached to it than the signal in your ipod.
In case it's escaped your attention, we all have one.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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Offline Two victories in one topic. I'm on a roll.
"tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies"........there is no deluded like the self-deluded.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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He's the one postulating the naked assertion of a magical invisible super brain with a magic wand, but I am the one fooling myself?
1]"magic" is still a misapprehension
2] You believe in the invisible too.
3] A "naked assertion" would be an 'unevidenced assertion' - you have so far failed to demonstrate this.
I want to be shocked and surprised but unfortunately Dawkins moth seems to be the norm and over rides reason far more often than not.
prove the postulate to be unreasonable.
He dismisses the magic wands of other god/s without a second thought,
untrue, but if you'd care to compile a shortlist of those you consider rationally worthy of consideration I'm sure it would make fascinating reading.
but cant apply that same logic to his own claims.
you've implied disapproval of my "dismissal" of "other gods" without sufficient thought and then implied that I should apply the same treatment to the God of the Bible. You term this "logic"!!! I suppose it does at least constitute preaching what you actually practice! Incidentally, I thought atheists were defined by their lack of belief in gods!!
It is a sad part of our evolution that this placebo gap filling continues.
there isn't a part which isn't sad.......but for pseudo-science we'd call it 'adaptation' and be done with it
I only hope for his sake he wakes up before he wastes his entire life on a myth.
thanks but it's ok..........I have another.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
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Paul was a pagan - he made up his "I'm a Pharisee" story. He wanted to be but didn't have the intellectual chops. If he were a Pharisee, he would not have gone into the employ of the High Priest at that time (who was a Sadducee).
Bible history tells me that though we don't know the names of the authors the dates of the writings show they were Pauline converts.
The Christian recognizes his sin for what it is, asks for forgiveness, and commits the sin again when it it convenient. Isn't forgiveness wonderful?
If I knew your version of the holy spirit I'd have to be in full agreement with you. I don't want you as my God.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
The Greeks anthromophosized many of these attributes, Love = Aphrodite, Creativity = The Muses, Honor = Athena etc...
I'm not willing to ceed the existence of the Olympian pantheon, perhaps you are.
But, your bad analogy goes no where near showing the possibility or probability that an invisible, intangible sentient being exists. Yes, some things are 'invisible'... concepts and abstractions... like your god, derived entirely from the mind.
LC >;-}>
Christianity: A disgusting middle eastern blood cult, based in human sacrifice, with sacraments of cannibalism and vampirism, whose highest icon is of a near naked man hanging in torment from a device of torture.
It was an observation, not an argument. And you and every theist like you fails to address it every single time.
Also, love, creativity, honour, truth, morality and all other human values are directly observable. Not invisible at all.
The only absentee is god, for which there is no observable evidence.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
BINGO! Now, take your own advice in rejecting the claims of others and aim it at yourself.
"Allah does not exist merely because you or anyone else simply wishes him to"
"Vishnu does not exist merely because you or anyone elese simply wishes him to"
"Yahweh does not exist merely because you or anyone else simply wishes him to"
"Thor does not exist merely because you or anyone else simply wishes him to"
How about this?
God does not exist. God/s/deity/s/entities/super natural, are merely the adult version of an infant wanting a parent to protect them. Sugar pills by any name are STILL sugar pills.
I cannot take any claim of a thinking being seriously when it involves making claims that this claimed being has no material to think with.
If you want to go around claiming such absurdities, I won't stop you, but do not expect me to simply go "it must be true because he said so". I don't do that for other people's claims of their pet gods and I will not do it for you either.
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evidence? It is because you regard the existence of God as a 'wild assertion' that you regard the idea as irrational.
whatever status one ascribes to the Bible, this claim is trashed by his body of writing.
scripture shows both groups working together where there was a common agenda.
Bible history tells you no such thing. Even in secular terms such an idea is irrational.........and a joke in terms of Biblical scholarship.
your ignorance of how the Spirit operates is only to be expected.
yes...............get it.
get the Bible's version, then...........yes you would.
it isn't on offer.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
this is bizarre! I reject the "claims of others" as a consequence of personal epistemology. I direct you to the source of that knowledge. I cannot help that you choose not to avail yourself of it. Your implied contradiction of my subjective knowledge is simultaneously a contradiction of your OWN claimed empiricism...........you do it constantly.......you can't help yourself!
but the implication that my "knowledge" is merely wish fulfillment is just another unevidenced assertion and denial of empiricism. The challenge is whether it is rational to check it for yourself!
as someone just said, an assertion is NOT an argument......pseudo-psychology won't plug the gap.
this is just an admission of lack of imagination..........
you believe in all sorts of things you can't see.
why do you presume that 'thought' can only ride on neurons?........you must be aware that we can show that you know what you are going to do before you are conscious of knowing it. Music can ride on vinyl, magnetic tape, plastic, air, light..........the Bible says, "God is light and in him is no darkness at all".
the problem for you is that you can't identify a basis on which to show that the God conjecture is "absurd". ie. irrational - thus it remains something you just presume because it fits your personal predilections, which may have been caused by anything........an abusive religious upbringing; bad potty training.......who knows?........pseudo-psychology abounds.
no I don't expect this. My hope would be that you would assess all the evidence rationally and conclude that it is not irrational to conjecture that the Bible is God's communication with Man and put it to the test. 20th century philosophy concluded that the alternative is absurd.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.
No such thing as a non material super brain with magical super powers. Never was, never will be. Claims of such by any name are the same as claiming Klingons are real an vampires are real. No such thing,
No Allah, No Vishnu no Jesus, no Thor, nadda, ziltch, zero..................All comic book claims invented by humans as a gap fill to placate their emotions and egos.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
Check out my poetry here on Rational Responders Like my poetry thread on Facebook under Brian James Rational Poet, @Brianrrs37 on Twitter and my blog at www.brianjamesrationalpoet.blog
the Greeks anthropomorphised them precisely BECAUSE they understood the very philosophical problem which modern materialists seek to deny! Anthropomorphising it didn't solve it..........that's because they ended up with a basis for diversity but none for unity.
the proof is for you, not me...........if something is a "possibility", rationally, we test it. This site claims that the IDEA is absurd.............I'm waiting for it to be proved since it is such a tenet of your faith.
ah.........you mean "immaterial".........and where pray is the universal which gives meaning to all these "abstractions"? It isn't in my head because my head is just a particular head and it ain't in yours for the same reason. Congratulations!..........you've just shown that without God all communication is just presumed as an act of faith.........a bit late, others realised this way back in the 60's.
evidence?..........point me to the man who suggested the Trinity.
'It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip than in the heart of man, than by this: that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted it within themselves and would be glad to be strengthened by the consent of others.' Francis Bacon.