Origin of Language = Epic Evolution/Atheist FAIL!
Offline Here is something I find quite puzzling. If God did not create us, and we evolve from other creatures, how did our languages come into existance? The world is full of many rich cultures complete with an unique linguistic form of language following an agreed set of rules. So who created the rules, the sounds, and how did this person or evolutionary ancestor get others to understand and agree with the rules? THis is obviously a huge leap from the primitive grunts and noises that other animal species make. Yes, primates can communicate on a basic level. But they can't verbalize into words, or express complete sentences conveying abstract ideas.
How would you convey to a fellow creature a metaphorical or philosophical question when there is no foundation for language? You can point to objects and make a noise, but that only gets you so far in language. The same problem exists for creating a written language.
Even if evolutionary linguists can come up with a plausible explanation, there remains one big problem. Why don't we all speak the same language?
Another issue is you don't see any transitional forms with anything resembling our complex voice box anatomy. Why did we evolve to have this feature? What was the enviromental factors that separated our genetic line from other animals and created the need for a voice box? I would be more convinced if someone found a fossil that contained at least a primitive form of a voice box.
Sure, there are a number of theories, but they are pretty weak sauce with zero supporting evidence.
OTOH, the Bible perfectly explains how language and culture came into being. Man began with an universal language after the Flood with Noah. Then after the man started building the tower of Babel, God confused the languages which scattered people all over the earth. This also explains why we find global myth stories with many details striking similiar to the Bible's account. They infused their own language and culture into the original story.
Yep, I'll take the truth of the Bible over fallible man's theories anytime.
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So now you are rejecting ALL Christian theology and claiming there is not one god but three gods and that that is how your gods wants it written.
There is theological BS about it but it reads what it reads and nothing else. You can't change what it says just because some one points out how stupid your three gods are for thinking it was possible. Your three gods are very stupid. And they wanted it written to show they ARE very stupid which in itself is stupid.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
No. Contempt for your THREE gods which you invoked to explain the gods of Babel and who created the earth.
Which of your three gods are you talking about?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Only when you misread it. That verse means "one in purpose" as I believe I said earlier (When it says the discioles "were all in one accord" do you visualize 12 guys in a Honda?). I'm tempted to call Poe here on the "God hate filth" thing but I enjoy watching you make God look stupid while you're defending him.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
But you have just insisted they are three separate gods to explain away the OT references. In fact there are some 5000 OT mentions of the gods, the Elohim. Care to take a shot at explaining why Christians claim there is only one god instead of three gods as you say there are?
Please QUOTE that verse here and demonstrate exactly how it claims there are three gods which should be referred to in the plural as does the bible.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
But I would buy it a beer. There might be an after market for audio of his screams.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
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Dear TWD .. It bears repeating . . .
With the weight of so many many comments, EVEN SO, it this bears REPEATING. In addition, at what point was anyone trying to "demonstrate", poorly or at all "that the Bible is a book of myths". If you want to determine if the preparation of a study on the subject might be in your next thread, then by all means do so. There you can defend the Bible, instead of changing the subject, which in here it is. BTW, All I was able to determine was some members of the forum think it's a complete work of fiction. But, Since your first thread, you have failed to understand in a board of individuals there may be a spectrum of opinion on various matters. Translation -- you cannot paint everyone with the same broad brush. Furthermore, it has somehow escaped your notice, that 'you' are the one to be providing answers (and not the other way around). 'When you're...er...concentrating,' you exclaim the board hasnt done this or hasn't done that. Apparently, After all this time (I can't understand it myself). And, You still do not understand how the burden of proof is on YOU! So, It bears repeating, once again, you obviously do not grasp how this all works yet. The burden of proof is on 'you' and not the board. You do research, you provide the answers. That is how it is supposed to work, normally it works out well. But, No! Not with TWD though. There is a topic to your current Thread. Something you like to get far from, when you make all your accusations. All the griping is now a new tactic to change the subject. We won't allow you to forget, It's on you. Get It ?
I submit that this thread will become the third tower of evidence of theist stupidity on this site. In time, like the other two, there will be thousands of posts proving the theist wrong, but the theist is too brainwashed to do anything but repeat his broken arguments over and over again.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
so what are the other two? fonzie's and grampa's?
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Psalm 14:1
chandogya upanishad 6.8.7
So I provide research and answers, and then what? Oh let's see, you call me stupid. Insult my faith. Offer no counter-argument with supporting cites or evidence. Or you simply bury me with more questions and completely ignore my points. Atheists don't get a free pass either. At some point, you have to BACK UP your bold statements.
Thanks for providing another instance of incorrect information found in the Bible - you just might come around. Do you actually read the words? You know those squiggly things on the page?
To be honest, this thread reminds me of my high school days. You're moving from room to room being schooled.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
What did I just get done saying. There are 'individuals' on this board. I dont recall calling you stupid. I do not live in Canada. The Moderator does. You are the one who is to provide answers lady. Get it ? Did it ever occur to you to not bring up the Bible, no wonder you have a mountain of questions, by your own doing. There are consequences to not keeping to a narrow subject. Guess Who's fault that is ?
Fonzie and Caposkia. Gramp's isn't quite up there. Plus he wasn't as much of a dick if I remember correctly.
"Psalm 14:1"
Sorry, haven't been there. Yet another unsupported assertion from the nutty christian.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
And they have been backed up - just not to your liking. Names and dates have been provided for you. What Bible verses actually say has been called to your attention when you bring up references. The few wikipedia things you've brought up have been examined and found wanting by myself and others.
If you don't want your beliefs looked at don't wave them out there. And since you like Scripture so much have you noticed this little gem? "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect," (I Peter 3:15)
When are you going to start doing any of that?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Matthew 5:22
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
You do the honest research into primary sources and then you show how it supports your position. When we discuss those primary sources and your interpretation of the physical evidence you found in your research. Argumentation is not evidence. Repetition of the bible is not evidence. Making it up as you go along (e.g., there is no trinity there are three separate gods) is not a response.
Descriptions such a "bold" are immaterial. Perhaps you should specifically state exactly what assertion you think needs further support. Such things cannot be things which are challenges to the claims you have made. When you make a claim it is up to you to produce the evidence for it. It is NOT incumbent upon those who demand your evidence to produce evidence you are wrong. The game is NEVER played that way.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
You provided research? Exactly where was that? All you have done is spout bible quotes. The closest you have gotten to "research" is to throw up wikipedia articles. Wikipedia is useful for a general overview of a topic but as Dana succinctly explained, wiki is not exactly the most accurate source on any topic. Wikipedia is only intended to be and is pretty effective at being a tertiary source. It is useful if you are clueless on a topic and want to learn enough to decide an appropriate starting point for learning more or if you are only interested in a broad overview on a topic. It is hardly a source that can be considered complete and authoritative. When I was in elementary school my teacher would have flunked me if I turned in a report that used "Encyclopedia Brittanica" as a main source. People call you stupid because your arguments are on par with a second graders (not to insult second graders), start actually providing quality sources and reasoned arguments and people will treat you with more respect.
try checking out this site for some ideas of what to look for in a quality source
http://methodsofdiscovery.net/?q=node/23
And exactly which "bold statement" has anyone refused to back up? Even in your criticisms of us you can only make vague blanket statements. Point out a specific and you will probably get a specific response. I know I am personally willing to back up any statement I make when specifically requested and most of the others participating in this thread are as well.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
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Verse of the Day : And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve the Lord Christ.
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After reacting to TWD's banal and hateful post here I thought I'd get some input from an intellectual christian philologist with a degree in theology and a PHD in philosophy. I asked Brother David: Do you believe in hell? Is there proof of hell in the biblical texts? What motivation might there be for amplifying the oblique hell in Genesis into the Augustinian hell of the Roman Catholic Church? Why do some christians wallow in the idea of hell?
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Gramp's thread was a bit fun at first. But towards the end it just got really boring.
Caposkia's thread is one that I never tried to wade all the way through.
I don't know how I got sucked into Fonzie's thread. But somehow, even after seeing all of his talking points reviewed, again, and again, and again and again, I got pulled into it last year for a little while. I finally just gave up. But, THEN, it resurfaced again.
Speaking of which, what happened to the theists on here that I genuinely liked ? Teralek, Luminon and Eloise being the top of that list. Of course, all of them were a different breed of theists than the Bible followers. Truth to be told, some of Eloise's posts were so in depth that I never was quite sure what she believed, but I liked reading them anyway.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I still recall both topics when they were in their infancy. I believe I'd entered both of them quite early. When I log on and see 50+ new posts in a topic it brings me back.
But I've rarely had a 2 year period of stable internet, and with both those topics there was a day when I logged in and saw hundreds of new posts. That's when I gave up on them.
Lum is chatting with Old Seer in his thread. Less active than previously, but not mia. Eloise haven't seen for a year or two, I also miss her. Teralek I don't remember when I last saw post.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
eloise never said one naughty or off-color thing the whole time she was here, and she still had the sexiest posts i've ever seen. the interest factor of this site has gone down considerably for me since she abruptly disappeared.
i swear, if i wasn't already married to a hot foreign chick, i'd have made my vacation plans for australia long ago.
well, one shouldn't be greedy...
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
that Eloise had a long fight with RedNef, a man at once wonderfully clever and relentlessly obnoxious, who could not bear her ambiguous spiritual conception of first cause. No matter what, he would catalogue her with god people of odious cloth. Every so often he would launch at her like she was a cardinal of the catholic church, not just a mathematician with a sense of universal design.
In the course of this rather pointless fight she felt she wasn't supported by BobSpence, a man she respected mightily, but who does not take sides, and that led to her leaving the site. Later on RedNef left too, in a fit of pique over the style of Brian37's poetry. Brian favours rhyming couplets and RedNef preferred free verse.
All three were extremely worthwhile regular contributors and Bob still pops in from time to time. Eloise was great in part because her cerebral panentheism was such a pleasing counterweight to the idiocy of monotheistic mythcism, and because, as someone has noted up-thread, she was pretty much the most intelligent woman any of us had met in the wild. And while you won't read about this in Zoo magazine, exceptional brains are very sexy.
I think, in hindsight, we should have defended Eloise's right to her always self-confessedly Hypatian subjective beliefs. Personally, I don't agree with ideas of universal intelligence but if they're not backed up by dogmas of threat and mythology of vast stupidity, I'm happy to co-exist with them in my universe of I Don't Know.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
I didn't realize that her and Rednef had gotten into it. Of course, I was away for a little while when I had that motorcycle nearly a year and half ago.
I liked Rednef, but he could be quite obnoxious and pretty heavy handed with members.
While Sandycane and I had our major differences, I remember Rednef just practically pummeled her one time over feminism. I noticed that Sandycane's posts started to trickle off when her business got to rolling.
I miss a lot of Bob Spence's posts as well.
Eloise was my favorite theist poster and I never could quite grasp all of her concepts, but I always found her to be a good contributor.
I miss AnswersinGeneSimmons and even though I did not always agree with Kapkao's points of view ( he was another one that I never could figure out) I miss Kapkao as well.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I could be completely wrong about this but I think Teralek is still working for the cruise line so he goes months at a time without internet access. AIGs I assume cut his internet to save money while looking for work and is probably still looking.
And Kapkao, I hope he is alright, I know he had some health issues and he disappeared rather abruptly in the middle of one of his more serious conversations. Is anyone in a position to know whether or not he is well?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
The same goes out to tonyjeffers
Speaking of health issues, everyone may have missed this :
Hat's off to RSS from a dying man
Submitted by tonyjeffers on February 18, 2012 - 11:07am.I have found out that I have a terminal illness, but it may take years to kill me unless science catches up with the disease. I am also among the multitude of those who were systematically brainwashed as a child. To my mother's despair I finally broke free of christianity. As you say it is not something easy to overcome and has taken me about ten years to completely recover from it's poison. I am 39 yrs old now and I am bitter because I can't help to think how much further in life I might have progressed, and medical science would have progressed without the yoke of religion. RSS did not directly deconvert me, but has given me new insight and has armed me with knowledge to "rationally respond" to those who view me as "a lost soul". My illness took me from a hard-working, prosperous business owner to a poor broken down man. (end quote)
¬ Tony
I must have missed that one too. I meant to type in my previous post that I was away when I had that motorcycle wreck, not that motorcycle.
Tony Jeffers has a FB page that he helps another guy run. It hasn't posted much lately.
I'll send them a private message and ask if he is ok.
I liked Tony Jeffers as well.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Seem like I do remember Kapkao saying something about health issues. But, I also remember him saying something about leaving here. I think. I could be wrong.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I did a brief look around. Most recent post by Kapkao that I found in the look was at the end of March, making fun of the asshat Jean. If he said he had health problems or was leaving then he didn't start a topic saying as much, which makes it harder to track down.
It'd be nice if member tracking took note of the members last activity instead of the activity in posts the member took part in. Ah well.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Admittedly boarding on Spam, so nobody get too mad . .
I can't help but wonder what happened to the 'ever loving' ?? Where is Mr. Jeano ? Geology Hiking and Exploring I'd imagine .. (See: Quote)
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Kapkao was diabetic. Interesting fellow. I liked his negative view of humanity.
Translation - well I can't really argue against his article, and I certainly can't admit that he is right so I'll just claim wikipedia is a piss poor reference site. That'll work.
Didn't you claim that your sinful practice of having sex with multiple partners carries little or no risk of catching a STD? I would love to see you back up that claim. Show me the scientific evidence!
Except that people have spoken against the article you cited and wikipedia is a piss poor source (you weren't using it a s a reference site - you were citing it as an authority). I use wikipedia only to find a layman's explanation and then I go to the links at the bottom to provide a fuller explanation. (if people ask). Meanwhile, you insist on claiming that no one has provided evidence to counter your assertions while drowning in it. I thought the 9th commandment wasn't an option for you.
I'll leave the rest to Beyond Sacing.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Wow, again you manage to say something without really saying something. If my references are wrong, PROVE it instead of bitching about the source.
Speaking of Wikipedia, I'm particularly fond of this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_atheism
"Translation - well I can't really argue against his article, and I certainly can't admit that he is right so I'll just claim wikipedia is a piss poor reference site. That'll work."
For the 5th or 6th time, TWD proves he's a horrible translator.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Not at all, I just see right through the transparency. Like your anger against God, but then you claim you can't be angry because He doesn't exist.
Every reply you make is in the negative. That's pretty telling right there.
Many people have directly addressed your wiki links. For the most part, the flaw has been that they are irrelevant to the topic. And wiki is a great reference site, and that is all it is- reference. It is not an authoritative source because it can be added to by anyone and as Dana pointed out often has incomplete or inaccurate information especially when it goes into details or controversial subjects. Tertiary sources have their place, but pointing to a tertiary source as if it is a primary source that conclusively proves your claim is ignorant.
Well I haven't exactly been documenting it, there may be a few pictures and videos floating around but I assure you I use the scientific method vigorously. I have my hypothesis, I test it regularly and then I observe the results. So far I am still STD free, thank you for your concern. But never fear, I shall continue to test my hypothesis as long as I am able to continue getting volunteers to help, science is a rough job but someone has to do it. Doesn't it make you wonder if there is a god, why he hasn't stricken me for not following his edicts yet?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
The only reason it looks like I'm not saying something to you is because you refuse to understand it. Must be nice to have that security blanket to fall back on.
To the list:
Overall, I see a lot of people who feel more comfortable in delusion than reality.I also see a lot of people who don't understand what atheism is (Sandage, Genovese, Turner, those listed that "converted"from Communism, Stalinism, Trostkyism, etc.)
Breaking it down, I see some people who became Christians because it was politically expedient to do so (and some of those if you looked at them more closely on the list you wouldn't call them Christians (ex. Anders Borg, Keir Heidle, many of those who converted to Catholicism or Russian orthodoxy).
I see some flat out liars (Kirk Cameron, Lee Strobel). If they were atheists I'm the sitting Pope.
I see some people who have harmonized philosophy and theology like McGrath (usually done by changing the Bible)
Some absolute nuts (Shelly Lubben, Enoch Powell) that you and Christianity can keep.
Just because some people have gone to irrationality in some aspects of their lives doesn't make me want to dismiss them for the work they've done (though some deserve it).
The reason wikipedia is not accepted as an academic source is because it can be edited by anyone. Most times it's caught -sometimes it's not. If you really want to impress me, cite a book (I know they have a lot of words in them but give it a shot). Then quote that book and tell us the title of the book so we can look for ourselves.
Going to bring up Antony Flew next?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Delusional people aren't qualified to diagnose themselves, sorry. Your lies, misrepresentations, and blatant stupidity continue to prove both you and your religion have nothing to offer.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Please demonstrate a specific lie that Lee Strobel has made. Otherwise, it's more biased talk casually writing off Christians as nutballs because that fits nicely in your mold. I suppose you include C.S Lewis in that list as well huh? Then again, you're the one who just makes up lies. You falsely claimed that Andrew Womack ministiries lies about healing in order to bilk people from their money without a shred of evidence. You burned up any currency of credibility with that one.
I will bring up this one. Welcome Brother Greene to the family of Christ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Greene_(activist)
BTW, yes wikipedia can be edited by anyone including people who as authorities on the subject.
Lol, so not only are you using wiki as a source, but did you read your own source?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Congrats on buying Mr Greene off - what you cited says as much.
As for Strobel - from caseagainstfaith.com (a critique of all Strobel's "Case for" books)
"But Strobel portrays himself as a former atheist and a tough reporter, and reminds us of this constantly. He seems to try too hard to make us believe that he isn't going to take an easy answer from those he interviews. Does he really expect us to believe that he spoke "in a voice laden with sarcasm" to those he interviewed? It is the fact that Strobel proceeds on the pretense of playing the part of the skeptic, but then clearly stacks the deck against the skeptic..."
Enough of a lie?
Mr. Wommack put up a story about he and God (order intentional) healing a guy from a stroke with no evidence behind it and pictures one could find anywhere captioned to put his claim in a positive light. The donation button on his site is all the poof that I need that his intention is to bilk the faithful.
But then you'll just cover your eyes and insist that I presented nothing of substance - You make this too easy.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
ROFLMFAO !
That's hysterical Beyond.
Your Own Damn Link Dumb Ass Wrote.
Priceless. I haven't had a laugh like that in a while.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
DP
A quick review of your website gave me no specific to demonstrate that Strobel was never an atheist. In fact, unless you know the man personally, I don't think you have a right to make such a judgement. You just can't accept that a person bathed in your science and logic could see the light and become saved. I don't know Mr. Greene so your statement is another bold faced lie. I welcome him as a brother in Christ. You see, Christians help and support each other. We don't believe in mocking and tearing down people like yourself.
Mr. Wommack presented one of many healing stories with MRI scan images, the full name of his doctor, and a video with his doctor testifying to the miracle. What more proof do you fricking need? So what if he has a donation button? Non-profit ministries cost a lot of money to run. He never begs for money on his radio show and fully offers to send out materials for free if requested. That's not indictive of a scam artist.
I see, so with that logic, a person who has spent years playing and petting alligators with no injury PROVES that alligators are harmless, right? You really are delusional.
No, The joke's on you since the atheist community went nuts over this, and boldy claimed that Mr. Greene was never an atheist. Oh wait, I guess he is now huh? It's a good story though showing how Christians do help their neighbors, and we're not evil monsters. It's called having compassion, something atheists seem to lack.
Compassion like "be a Christian and we'll pay for your medical stuff"? That sounds like extortion to me. Kind of like the compassion that the chaplain in Iran had when he was trading baths for baptisms to his fellow soldiers only after they listened to his sermon.- http://atheism.about.com/cs/goingtowar/a/cs_chap_bribe.htm
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
No, a person who has spent years playing and petting alligators with no injury provides evidence that there are ways to play with and pet alligators safely, which in fact there are because many people wrestle alligators and rarely suffer any serious injuries. All I ever claimed is that one can have sexual relations with multiple partners and can have minimal (not non-existent) risk of STD's through safe practices and using a little sense in determining who they have sex with. If you remember, it was in response to your naked assertion that STD's came from god to punish people having sex outside of marriage.
Your claim that STD's are evidence that god doesn't want people having sex outside of marriage is equivalent of declaring that the fact dogs bite people sometimes is evidence that god doesn't want us having pet dogs, or the fact that people fall down stairs is proof that god doesn't want us building stairs. There is risk in everything in life, and most of those risks can be minimized with a little care. Whether you want to wrestle alligators, own a dog, have an orgy or run up some stairs (or even all four at the same time) the risks of those activities can be managed and none of them are the nearly as dangerous as playing Russian Roulette which if I recall correctly was the absurd comparison you made (unless you cheat when you play Russian Roulette, which if I am playing, I am cheating, promise.)
I probably also pointed out that by far the most likely way for me to die right now is a car accident, so if you are really concerned about my safety you ought to be convincing me not to drive anywhere rather than worrying about my sex life.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X