christian groups on FB
Posted on: August 29, 2012 - 2:01pm
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ok i have no prob with xstian groups on Facebook but i have had a few of my liked sites that are atheist oriented recieve death threats from a muslim woman plus they have had sites banned due to theists complaining about them.. and that infringes on freedome of speech... the theists are allowed to post their stuff but if we atheists do its wrong... im sick and freakin tired of these damn xstian groups trying to and in some cases succeeding in silencing differing views than their own... it burns me up to no end when they pull that crap... anyone else out there had this problem?
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But I'm stuck with a Jehovah's Witness for a sister and some Bahai friends. I try not to pay too much attention to them and post what I please. I haven't noticed any of my atheist friends or pages being pulled or censored.
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I haven't, but then I almost never use it in the first place. I look at these sites as something you should have, just in case you need to contact someone or they need to contact you (and to reserve a username so noone can easily pretend to be you), but beyond that you're just advertising your life if you get into it too much.
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Here is the grey area about "freedom of speech".
First off, from the Constitution standpoint it only addresses that the government cannot have you arrested or jailed or sentenced merely for having an unpopular opinion. But in daily life it is unreasonable to expect private entities like a strip joint to be forced to hire fat men. And it would be unreasonable for a Mosque to hire a Christian or atheist as a cleric.
Having said that we have had a tradition in law long term that has given rights to women and blacks despite what private business does.
There is no utopia in a constant struggle in the west balancing "freedom" with "rights", because everyone has a different idea of what freedom and rights are, and of course those things always lean to the personal desires of the person using those words.
You say that you have seen atheists banned at believer's sites? So, I have been on line over the past 11 years and while not all the atheists sites I frequent, some atheist sites have the same hair trigger ban as the theist ones I have been booted off of.
BUT the comfort to both sides of the issue is that OUR government cannot have their website banned or ours banned or either side arrested merely because we don't like each other.
Please do not mix the private sector with what government has a duty to protect for all of us.
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I tend to avoid Christians
In New Mexico, a Christian Photographer was sued and the government is forcing her to take wedding photos of a lesbian couple even though the photographer felt it violated their religious beliefs. I certainly don't think that's right.
Link to that article please ? I'd like to review what that lawsuit is about and specifically what it states.
Strange as it may sound, I have to agree with you there. The government shouldn't force bigots to take pictures of weddings they don't approve of.
I for one, would not want a photographer that hates bikers taking pictures of motorcycle runs and rallies and definitely would not want the government to say otherwise.
I suspect there is more to this story.
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― Giordano Bruno
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865557098/New-Mexico-photographer-loses-third-round-of-gay-discrimination-case-but-attorneys-vow-fight-isnt.html?pg=all
The court decision is available here and has a brief summary of the facts that were not disputed.
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Well here is the way that I see it.
If I asked a photographer to photograph a biker event and they e-mailed me back stating that biker events went against their beliefs, I'd probably tell them to shove it and seek elsewhere.
I think I would have the same attitude if I was gay. I'd probably tell the photographer that not only would I not want them there, but that I would let everyone in the gay community know not to use their services and let them pay for it by the possible loss of revenue from people both gay and pro-same sex marriage alike that would no longer request business from them.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I agree completely. I always thought that using the tides of public opinion to make being a bigot socially unacceptable and unprofitable is preferable to using government to attempt to force people to get along.
However, from a legal standpoint I do not think that Elane Photography has a very strong argument, it is well established that the government can make discrimination illegal for any company that is open to the public and I don't see how one can argue that holding a religious belief somehow makes you exempt from those laws.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
I don't think they have a very strong case either.
That's one thing a lot of my co-workers don't get. Too often I hear them say " Man, fuck working for these people. I'm thinking about starting my own business and then I can play by my own rules."
Sounds well and good until you start your own business ( my late father had one) and then you have to play by the public's rules (if you want to stay afloat that is).
The last thing a bigot needs to do in today's world is run a public business. At least, if they expect to build a strong customer base and grow.
Some people might be afraid to do business with said company for fear of being branded as a bigot as well.
For instance, my girlfriend's younger sister is currently looking for a job. She lives within two seconds of a chick-fil-a that is currently got a help wanted sign. She told me she desperately needs a job, but was afraid to work there for fear that some of her lesbian friends might think she was anti-gay or something.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Good on the courts for putting an end to the oppressive nature of the way the studio does business. Minorities are protected for good reason.
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The photographers were indeed very stupid on something like this. Plus they were dumbasses to not jump at a chance to get paid.
I guess I am just a slut when it comes to making money. If I was a photographer, as long as someone wanted to cross my palm with silver, I'd photograph a guy marrying a cow.
I would draw the line on photographing rape/murder or said guy having sex with cow. But that might be about all.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I don't see any real difference except in the method of coercion.
I would say the difference between the hard coercion of exercising a governments police power and the soft coercion of people deciding they do not want to associate with you because you are an asshole is a very significant difference.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X