That you seriously think everyone deserves to die is both sickening and saddening...

Not if the creation is a self-aware life-form.

 1) baby killing.

You answered: yes to "Is God an innocent baby killer?" 

Happy to move on with this as a final answer... It doesn't make him seem like a particularly benevolent being though.

Aside:

Does the mother of a child have the right to kill their child? Not in modern morality both within and without Christianity, so this amounts to special pleading  for extra rights for your god. He's obviously not subject to the laws he created for us I suppose. Bit of a hypocrite...

2) Where did all the water come from and disappear to?

You answered (paraphrasing): It wasn't the whole earth. 

This is strange. Did God wipe out all humanity apart from Noah and his family, or not? (Your point about not needing the whole earth under water to wipe out life is immaterial - even supposing the flood was only enough to wipe out all life, and didn't rise above the tops of all the mountains on earth, as the bible states, there would still need to be a truly huge amount of water which has somehow disappeared (I would dispute that science says it's possible to wipe out life by flooding in any case - whether or not the flood is higher than the tallest mountains, but that's another aside.).

It seems that either there was enough water to wipe out all life, or not all life was wiped out. 

But the Bible clearly says ALL life over the whole world was destroyed. a flood localised in the area around Mt Ararat would have absolutely no consequences for people or animals living in Africa, The americas, Australia, the UK...

Ok, so the bible was written by followers of your god as faithfully as they could. Be that as it may, in order for the flood to be worth doing by your god, it must have been severe enough to kill all life. That means a LOT of excess water. My question still stands - where did all the water come from and disappear to? Or do you think maybe not all life was actually wiped out after all?

Our interpretation works. The proper interpretation  has finally arrived. It is contrary every other interpretation. The Euros got it wrong. And---since the fall of the Adomites the Jews have had it wrong also. It's reasonable when one sees that the fall is the loss of what was understood.  Technically, the loss of the knowledge of God, or particularly- the loss of the understanding of one's self, which in the original knowledge Adam was God, which also means that the knowledge of Gos is also knowledge of the self. There is no free standing God  in the3 universe or the book. Atheists are correct--- there is no, nor never was any God, as claimed in the world today or ever was. In the book "people" are God. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God---that's the Adamites.   See Gospel of John. There' is no such God in the book as the Pope believes (for instance) 

Of course that is to be expected. What we have is out of the ordinary that is for sure. But--I find I have to keep posting the same things many times on different forums. Not to complain, mind you, but it gets to be a chore. I was hoping to be long gone--but- I got a note from Alpha Smurf to look at the latest post on this form- (I don't know why) so I showed up again. I don't know any more about those hymns and stuff. The last hymn for me was a bit before USMC Boot Camp and haven't sung one since other then the USMC genuine regulation hymn.   I don't know what I was directed here for, it wasn't said. Maybe I was supposed to clarify something---can't find what.

What would you have me expound on ?

I was asked tuther day by a fella in town if Gays will be saved. ?????? Good question.  My answer was---it all gets settled at Armageddon. If gay gets you taken away at that time then it was wrong. But-- It's a question of how superficial one is after the knowing is over. The superficial  also includes the heterosexual. It's a matter of how the physical is determined in one's self.  We've determined that there isn't anything physically or materially right or wrong, it's a matter of degree on how intense one allows it to operate one's person. That is---does it cause one to be dragged away from proper humanity into a condition of mental harm. It's refered to in the book as "carnal" or "flesh" minded. That's both hetero and Homo. In the final tally---can a Gay be saved--we say yes, but it'll be a tuff boat to row, same as to much hetero will cause the same.

As said previous---the flood of Noah's time was a mini Armageddon of it's time. That's how evil floks can become---to a point of self destruction---that will happen again-next time world over. We can see it in progress.

Is when I have to read the book. It's boring and I'm tired of the thing---BUT---where obligations are is where they are. I take things pff the top and stay out of the book unless necessary, and of course our interpretations are known to us so we don't need the book to much any more.

OK-- Death and JC. ----This was one thing that baffled me. Why start a new religion and then get yourself killed, it didn't make sense. It makes more sense to stay alive and help out rather then getting killed---right. And then be resurrected and take off leaving everyone hanging in mid air---don't make no sense does it. It turns out this is where more then one brain is needed to understand things, hence, inadvertently the Smurfs form.

Here's the deal. Someone has to show that everlasting life is a fact- (or at least a possibility to a doubter) that's what JC,s job was. IF, Adam wasn't to die unless undergoing a fall then how can we know possibilities. Someone has to come and show how and why. Remember now---as far as can be known it's the Adamites that figured this out,--what state of mind causes this. So, being that it became lost via the fall it needs to be re-instated. That's what JC is all about. Now it starts making sense. If it is possible to "not die" then how can we know---and---if someone already figured that out and lost it---how can it be eventually for future generations. In walks JC with that info, as he is representative of the Adamites.  The prime moving force of Christianity (Adamism so to speak) is to beat death.

Universal construction dictates opposites. If there is everlasting death then there must be everlasting life. If so, the trick is to figure out how. From what we can see it caused by becoming an elevated being (as biblical evidence points to). An elevated being is nothing more then "human", which is a higher being then Animal. You say you're human----think again. You are jn possession of it but that not what you're living by and under. The opposite of Human is animal, and from the animal mind is death ( I'm not saying this is right or wrong---I'm interjecting biblical christian forum). The elevated condition is "humam" the lower form is animal. Now---Those that became Adamites were no different then we today--until they sat down and figures themselves out-as to---what am I. When doing that they divide (ultimatly) their persons into two knowleges. The knowleges of good and evil. They choose the good--Human. From that then comes Adam, ( biblical creation is that process-the forming of Adam) and that is supposed to be where everlasting life is acquired.

That is the job JC had, to make aware of "the self", and change to human. But--again it was lost about 100 AD, and as predicted by JC, that would happen, and at about the end time (he says) some body is going to get it figured out. Somebodies did. 

The common mental concept is--that we are human---yes we have it (same as Christianity-everyone has it) but that's not what the world runs on. The world operates on the animal concept while using both. The human side has become subserveant to the animal side. Here's how it's been working-- Business as it presently is , is a predator system. (be aware tho that business need not be worked off the animal side). Predator belongs on the animal side. What do you see when walking into Walmart- smiling faces of store staff and operators, right. (It's OK, it should be that way) What you're seeing is a human face, pleasant and likable, the same as Christianity, it's the Christian face  . BUT, what's hiding behind the face-the business animal, (predator) right. (consider Wall Street, Wow)

That in essence is the story of life in man-made world. There is no way peace can be made with that kind of thinking---and that what the book is for---to remove the systems as is and replace them with----HUMAN, instead of a huma'animal concept that simply isn't true. There is no such thing as a humananimal. No one (including me and the Smurfs) can be human and animal at the same instant. At any given moment a person can be only one of those----and it's a matter of choice, Choose one or the other to make peace on this planet. Humananimal is a lie, and the mental concept is what's causing all the interactive and social problems of the world, and id forwarded by religion---And---GOVERNMENTS, not just what is considered religion.

The book predicts that this change WILL take place when the masses know the means (the end times). What manner of sense can it be that when people know this present concept will never work to be at peace to keep going with it. Once it's understood then one has to go with it, and doing so one becomes blamless of the worlds consequences, as one cannot be guilty of any out comes from the present mental condition. The knowledge of person demands change. One can have no complaint when knowing and still insist on continuation of present nonsense. Civilization is a concept of fixing the animal it demands the people to be---It's an impossibility and can't be done. Animal is animal and there;s no such thing as fixing an animal to make it human. The animal cannot be fixed and civilization operates and exists within the animal mind. Change the mind and one's world is changed. Everyone change their mind and the whole world is changed. This is the goal of JC. JC is an Adamite- that which is human.

So, lets say that there's no way to live forever---OK, but in any regards why keep going with this present idea. According to us Smurfs--it is better to live in peace and die rather in constant war and social turmoil and then die. Something similar to Pascal's wager.

These are things each person will have to ponder. shall I go right, or shall I go left.; To go left is encountering the time of Noah again. To go right is avoiding it. Hummmm--it's a personal thing isn't it. Shall we be animal when knowing better--or---or---it's the time of trial from Rev.

So (again) Lets look at living for ever. The smurfs don't know how that comes about, but it has to do with states of mind. For instance--Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I have a touch of it myself. When a mental catastropy tkes place it causes an effect on the body. In my case rythemics are out of order and have a problem with keeping time to music. A mental condition cause it. Now- if a mental catastrophy can cause a physical condition why can't a positive mental condition heal the body. From the book we recognize it to mean that everlasting life comes from a mental condition. Universal construction dictates opposites. So, Why can't it be. We don't know but are sure trying to find out, anyway, what's wrong with living at peace. \

The Fall--The fall is nothing more then returning to the animal state of mind--that is-back to the lessor/lower being. Believe it or not--civilization regards the animal to be of the higher being. Check it out, you'll find it to be true. Dust of the ground denote being blown by the wind in any direction rather then straight forward or solid--dust relates to unidirectional. From dust you are and to dust you have returned (Genesis). JC is greater then the fall if one wants the human to be greater then the animal because JC represents the himan characters over the animal---thus--the fall is a return to animal, therefore human is greater then animal---in his (the Christian) world.

The dead are concious of nothing. Yes--dead id dead, no brain working is no person present. The only thing going for the dead is the memory of the living. We thing from that memory one is resurrected. That means (if true) one needs to be careful of what manner of relations one has with others---it is they that will decide yes or no for resurrection.  There is also (according to an Apostle) those that make the change and don,t die during the end times. Of course that's what the end times are---the time of change and it's consequences.

The 10 commandments are moot, ex post facto. They are civil laws. Christians (humans) don't need civil law. civil law merely controls the animal. Moses institutes civilization---not Christianity. be careful with the term "law" as applied in the book. There's civil law and natural law. JC refers mostly to natural law which is creation-the law of the beginning which is no made by anyone butthe nature of life (mental) itself. Forget the 10, they don't apply in the next world. Civil law is contrary to natural law and therefore contrary to Christianity. Civl law maintains one within the animal concept. It creates one to it's specs and then regulates the degree that one is the animal. Normally civil law works through or via the material and physical. the mental is toward the animal in terms of greaters and lessors.

Understanding that the wage of sin is death, there's no other way to look at it.  We don't fully understand the spiritual rammifications of sin.  We put categorical significance to wrongdoings on Earth which then makes it look appauling to suggest that we deserve death.  Just because we see many things as insignificant doesn't mean they are.

You have to remember though that because of Jesus' death, we have life.  It's understanding why He had to die for you.  

Why does that make a difference?  Are you suggesting that as long as creation is not aware, it's ok to destroy it?  

parents do it all the time, it's called abortion.  

as far as God killing, He is the king, so He would be above the law, but at the same time, people have the right to kill someone who has killed others or to discipline others who commit terrible crimes.  He is being a judge, not a murderer... unless you consider all judges that have sentenced someone to death murderers.  

there was enough water

It sounds like all life was wiped out, but then again, I do see evidence that it was localized to a specific region... this woudl still cover probably thousands of miles, but it is possible that not literally all life everywhere was killed... as far as humans were concerned, all human life was understood to be wiped out.  this took place far enough back to suggest that people had not yet migrated to the Americas.  History shows that people in the americas came in much later and traveled from Asia over the frozen waters to Alaska.  

Ian button it right now !! No-one is obligated to a thing; you will do well to remember this from now on !!

¬ Dana

ah, now we add a twist... ALIVE or aware.  Though some might consider a computer alive because it is able to think... though of course it doesn't have feelings.  Some take living as able to move on its own.  that would be anything with batteries really.  

However, you I'm sure are being quite selective... probably even bias as to which "alive" things we're talking about.. namely what you and I are.  Considering we have never made anything alive in the sense that we are living.. or anything that can be aware, how can we decide it's not ok for God to destroy something like that when we destroy everything we create... at least at some point in its existence?  

how do you know being destroyed is suffering or even painful?  Typically when someone gets knocked out, they don't feel the pain until they wake up.  My guess is being destroyed is the same way... except you don't wake up from it.  

To be aware of suffering and pain is to be alive, not destroyed.  

It's not so much that it does significant harm to the spiritual realm, rather the harm is to your own spirit.  Considering the insignificant on Earth, things we consider insignificant today.. e.g. lying, adultery (by Biblical standards) etc.  were not considered insignificant by most cultures until more recently in human history.  Seems we shouldn't have changed things rather than God setting things up differently.

yea, very stupid of God to make a system that make us face consequences for our actions.  What was He thinking... good thing we don't have a system like that running on Earth... oh.. wait... we do....

I have a more serious problem with the fact that those people choose that fate.  I don't understand why people would do that to themselves.  

Also we should consider what you mean by tortured.  How exactly are people "tortured" forever?  I mean what happens to them in your understanding?

When asked a question that is off topic on a  forum or thread is refer the poster to The Seer's Corner and answer it there. I don't like the idea of having my own forum but the past also dictates it's the best thing to do to avoid these situations.    I don't highjack threads but my history shows I do cause others to. Actually, I was asked to take a look at this thread (for whatever reason) causing me to think it was a new thread. I couldn't remember where on the forums I responded to the biblical flood, but later found it was this thread-then I realized this is an older thread. So--off I go for a while---again.

be it that God isn't destroying people just because He made them, that might be irrelevant to the conversation.  However, consider the movie scenario where this intelligent life decides to rebel against its creator.. then what?  

Blacklight has a medical psychological condition, and doesn't always read things the way they were intended to be read. Subtle things like sarcasm can be lost in translation. Just take care to be be specific and blunt. He's a smart guy, he just has a disability.

Apologies to you, Blacklight, if you don't appreciate the interference here. I can delete this if you like. I assume it's ok because you mentioned it in a previous thread.

Urgh, I had some computer problems, but I'm back now. 

Yes, children tend to. However, in this story, you've already slaughtered their parents. Perhaps you, with god on your side, would be fit to raise these children properly. The infants probably wouldn't have picked up any evil habits from their parents yet, so you have a clean slate here. Of course, in that time and place, people might be inclined to believe cursed or eternally sinful bloodlines. With such beliefs, you could potentially justify murdering an infant. Without such insane beliefs, such a disgusting thing is simply not justifiable in any way shape or form. Ever! 

Plus, infants, toddlers, children, who cares about the difference? At a young age they likely could not be guilty of a deliberate war against god and his ways. However, this omnipotent god still couldn't figure out any solution other than "SLAUGHTER THEM ALL!!!"