HE WON HE WON HE WON!!!!

YES !!!!

CNN confirmed it

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main?hpt=hp_t2_6

At least I hope he wins since if he doesn't I'll look like an idiot with this topic

HERE IS THE THREAD FOR THE OBAMA ELECTION RESULT.

 I'm watching Fox a little.  Just saw Karl Rove set up the notion that Romney might actually win this.  Next he'll set up the legal battle.  

That's a double edged sword and all the parties know it.

Florida is definitely Obama. I don't get why the don't call it. Heck, Virginia is a much closer race.

 Virginia 89% in and again about 50k divided the two.

I'm monitoring all the counties. Obama won. There is no way mathematically that he can catch Obama.

Yeah the horns did it for me. The original was good, but this is better.

LMAO

The MSN site overloaded. Every one wins!

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2012/florida/president/#.UJn1fmeN7Tr

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Never mind they seem to have fixed it.

LOL.

That's funny.

  Huh, well I'm surprised. I'm part of almost a full percent (Johnson has around .97% now) and here in Ohio the independent candidate for the Senate got 5% not bad considering he did virtually no advertising and was excluded from the debates. Well enjoy another four years. 

lol. that's a good one. I can't wait to talk to one of my best friends today. He's a HUGE Redskin fan.

Come on JC, he has every right to worry. Now that that black secret Muslim commie has won  ONCE AGAIN there is nothing stopping us Stalin loving nanny state huggers from knocking down his door and stripping him of his wallet and taking away his private business.

MUEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We're here Beyond , our cooties are spreading and there is no escape!

To quote the cerial killer in "Silence Of The Lambs" "It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose".

Don't give up on Texas. 41% isn't a joke and that number for that state is amazing and a sign of progress. Keep your voice up in that state every day as much as you can. It will become a swing state given time. You owe it at least to the sane city of Austin.

Karl Rove is a douche.

But he won't lose any money... Obama has been as nice to rich folk as Romney wanted to be.

You tout the Koch brothers and pine for a third party support from them  and you want to lecture me about cronyism? The more you talk the more you make a complete joke of yourself.

Ever since we started our debate on economics years ago your attitude has never changed. The attitude that non business owners are all evil and out to get you, and we couldn't possibly know what is best for us and only you have the right to decide that for all of us and cry foul when we merely use the same voting booth you do.

Nothing short of sour grapes and just as childish as a theist crying about "Christian nation" garbage.

Do yourself a favor, when you want to treat the Koch brothers like a Playboy pinnup cneterfoild, do it behind closed doors, because your ego isn''t as big as you think.

You lost an ellection, get over it. The world wont end so stop acting like a childish brat when you don't always get what you want.

Yeah, and the main reason I support a third party is because both the republicans and the democrats have been subject to substantial amounts of cronyism. I fail to see how my stance is anything other than the logical conclusion to my premise. 

Where did I ever suggest non-business owners are evil? Where did I cry foul? In fact my response was the opposite. I said 

Hardly sounds like crying. Certainly far less so than your "end of the world" post would have been had Romney won. 

??? Where have I ever treated the Koch brothers like a Playboy centerfold? As you pointed out in your own post, the last thing I did was criticize them for selling out to Romney. Not terribly surprised about it, but a little disappointed. As it turns out, all the money they gave to Romney was wasted so they might as well have supported the libertarians.  

Please show me where I was ever childish. I will move on and adjust my life to profit the most from an Obama presidency for another four years. I am nothing if not flexible to changing economic conditions and will provide for myself and the people I care about no matter what. You got your victory, enjoy it, I believe it is a Pyrrhic victory and I also believe that you are so devoted to your cause that you blame anyone and everyone other than Obama.

I wouldn't want to be in the position of counting on social security and government funded healthcare because unless Obama governs radically differently than he did his first four years, our government is going to have that much more of a difficult time funding its promises. That will be a problem for people like you who are planning on receiving benefits from the government. Since I don't rely on government to meet any of my basic needs I will only be indirectly impacted when our government is forced to implement austerity measures like they have needed to do throughout Europe. The main impact on me will stem from potential property damage when people like you riot in the streets because you aren't getting the benefits promised to you. Assuming that by then I haven't decided to cash out and retire.

If you want socialism you have to pay for it. There are plenty of countries that have broad social programs and have budgets that are more or less balanced, so it is possible. Obama has shown no indication that he cares to pay for everything he promises. So instead of following the models of Australia, Canada or the Netherlands, we are following the examples of Greece, Spain and Portugal. On its current path, it is predictable that our government will run out of money, the question is when and it appears that it is going to happen in a few decades rather than later. Perhaps we will get some fiscal responsibility in 2016 which will save us from going all the way down that path, but it will be that much harder for the next president with an extra $4-$5 trillion in debt to deal with.

In the short term, life in the US is going to become more expensive to maintain our current standard of living. This doesn't harm me so much because I don't use most of my income to live on. If my electric bill goes up I don't have to change my lifestyle to pay it. It will hurt people like you as your income will continue to stagnate and your bills will continue to inflate. So don't worry about me, I will be just fine. You should be worried about yourself because all the stuff you believe you are going to get for "free" isn't free any more than you are going to inherit that $100 million from your long lost uncle in Nigeria when you send them your bank account number. Sooner or later, we have to pay the bill and you are foolish to believe that the bill is going to be paid by the rich alone. You might not have to pay it directly through taxes, but you will pay it indirectly through some combination of inflation, lower wages and perhaps an unplanned cut in your promised benefits. The costs might be hidden but in the end TANSTAAFL.   

Shut up Beyond. Your hollow threats don't work anymore. Our wages have stagnated not because of anything democrats try to do. Our only failure is allowing this shit to go on as long as it has.

You try to use "socialism" as a slur. It was NOT socialism when WE built our highway system and electric grid. It was the same slur used against social security and medicare, and guess what, we are still here.

Your emotional blackmail and childish threats of picking up your business like toys you don't want to share, fine. We need less businesses with that fucking attitude, so fine. Run away like a brat, but your scare tactics don't work.

IF my wages keep stagnating and falling it will be because of a CLIMATE of extraction. You may like the idea of 2 dollar a day sweat shop economies, but I dont. And it is utter bullshit that because Obama won that things will get worse.

It will, if your attitude continues to dominate our cooporate climate.

Now you can move into the future with us, or you can get left behind. But what will not happen anymore is the extraction climate you buy into and now falsely try to paint that is not what you buy into. It is OUR country, not you. It is not of the 1% solely for the 1%, but that is what people like you buy into and like a brat, you pull the scorced earth crap and threaten to shut down if you don't get everything you want.

I have given you an out, but "cant" is bullshit and it merely amounts to "don't want to." Too bad. I live here too and when we win we get to be in the drivers seat, that is how civil governments work. You lost, get over it.

I am not threatening anything, just making an observation of the inevitable result of our government borrowing the amounts of money it borrows. When you run up debt, it has to be paid sooner or later. 

I don't use socialism as a slur, I use it to describe the programs that you support. Social security and medicare are socialist programs, simply switching the label to progressive or safety net or whatever other terminology doesn't change anything about how the programs actually work. What label you choose to use is irrelevant to my judgement of the programs. FYI, I have absolutely no problem with socialism or communism, my only problem is when physical force is used to impose them on the unwilling. My sole problem with social security, medicare and Bamacare is that I am unable to opt out of the programs. 

I simply do what is in my personal interest. If it gets to the point where I decide that running my business is no longer worth my time, I will stop. I'm not going to do it just to irritate you, I will do it because I decided I have better things to spend my life on. 

Is Obama going to do something different than he has the last four years?

How do you propose to change people's attitudes? Are you going to go after corporations using federal police power to force them to do the things you want? 

Do what you want with the country, I conceded about ten years ago that I am not going to get what I want and decided to stop devoting so much of my life to being active in politics. It is MY business and I will do with it what I think is best for me and the people I care about. You can't force me to work or to be productive if I don't think it is worth my time. I am not your slave. 

I've said thousands of times that it is "I don't want to", so what are you going to do about it? There are many things that I can do that I won't do. As I said, I have already gotten over it. I have spent most of my day on the computer working, which is a shame because it is so beautiful outside today, but some shit has to get done. I will continue to work until my effective tax rate exceeds 50%, that is the point I have decided that working will no longer be worth my time. Unlike you, I put value on my time and if someone wants me to work for less than I believe I am worth, I refuse to work instead of sitting around bitching about not being paid enough. I'm going on with my life, minding my own business and doing what I want. Just saying, don't blame me when things don't work out as rosy as you imagine. I suggest you simply get over the fact that I'm not going to do what you want unless you use physical force to coerce me.

Really? Are you saying that Obama lied during his campaign? He has repeatedly said he is going to raise my taxes. Guess that is what I get for trusting him. If Obama doesn't raise my taxes, how is he going to pay for everything? Or is he just going to let the deficits get even larger? Or perhaps Obama supports my solution of raising taxes on the poor and the lower middle class? That would be news to me. I fail to see how we can pay for all the bailouts, social programs and cronyism without raising taxes somewhere eventually and there simply isn't enough money in the top 1% even if you taxed at 100%. To simply balance the budget at current levels of spending, you would have to tax the entire top 5% at 100%- so I'm pretty sure those tax increases are headed towards yours truly.

Whether Obama has the balls to raise taxes as much as they need to be or whether he chooses to continue adding to the debt so it has to be paid in the future remains to be seen, but one thing is sure, he isn't going to make any dramatic cuts in spending so revenue must be raised sooner or later. If you want your social programs, you have to find a way to pay for them, Bama might get away with ducking the issue and borrowing another four years but that will have a negative effect on our economy. My prediction is that he will raise taxes but will do so minimally like with Bamacare and continue to borrow large amounts of money, which imo is the worst possible option.   

Johnson would have substantially cut government spending and thereby remove the need of raising taxes. I had little hope of Romney doing anything different from Obama which is why I didn't support him. 

I'm not rich enough to get bailouts or special treatment as a Bama friend. I am apparently plenty rich enough to be pay higher taxes because according to Bama, I am not paying my "fair share". I would love for anyone to give me a solid definition of what "fair share" that can be applied to any particular individual to determine whether or not they are paying their fair share.  

I wouldn't doubt it, but that isn't what he said. Obama has repeatedly said he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k by a single penny- so was he lying? Isn't one of the arguments about how horrible Romney is that he would shift more of the tax burden to the poor and middle class? And Obama gets a pass on that because....... why?

You would be surprised.

But yes, Gary Johnson supports the Fair Tax which overall is a much flatter tax than our current progressive income tax and also something that is pretty academic because it will never gain enough support in congress to be seriously considered. Most likely, whoever is president taxes will have to go up across the board because we are spending more than we take in and to pay off the trillions in debt and obligations the government has taken on it needs a lot more money and will have to take it from pretty much everyone. 

Edit: I should say Bama has said he won't raise taxes on any married couple making less than $250k so presumably single people in the mid to high $100k range are probably not included in that promise. 

BS- "Obama has repeatedly said he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k by a single penny"

So you're covered, right?