There are politics involved. This isn't just the military saying "let's go in and eliminate them".

You are talking about going in to Syria and Iraq and even parts of some other countries. You can't just load up your troops and go invade (but that is what they did in Iraq).

The US empire would crumble into dust overnight if the US committed everything to overthrowing ISIS. It is Russia and China who have controlling capabilities in this war. The US can't do shit.

Well lets look at the situation in a bit of depth.

It really started with Saddam. US & UK go in, Iraq military literally crumbles without a fight, Saddam is found in a hole and executed, Iraq military is castrated and hamstrung. Unsurprisingly, rebels have little trouble defeating them in the aftermath and take large swaths of Iraq.

Saddam led a fairly brutal regime of baath muslims that kept sunni and shia muslims in check. With him dead, shia and sunni were free to kill each other again and civil war began.

Iran attempts to bolster the shia while Saudi Arabia bolster the sunni. Iran has other big problems and can only do so much. Saudi Arabia has no trouble at all, and the sunni ISIS is formed.

Then America, not satisfied with failure in Afghanistan and Iraq, started looking at one of only a couple baath nations remaining: Syria. Do everything short of a massive invasion to get rid of Assad. But Assad has friends Saddam didn't, and the US isn't so powerful that it can take on Russia or China, let alone both of them. Especially in an age where American imperialism has rewoken the Russian and Chinese bears and both countries are now behaving exactly like the US does. Russia seizes air authority over much of Syria in the wake of Turkey's egotistical stupidity, and now Russia effectively owns Syria and its airspace.

So the US can no longer engage ISIS full force without Russia's permission. Russia has anti air guns placed which can turn any invading aircraft into embers. With China standing more or less in Russia's corner due to its own conflicts with the US in the China sea, the US would have to go to war with Russia and China in order to really take the fight to ISIS.

The US cannot win that war. The people are too stupid to know that but most of the leaders aren't. So all the US will do is strike teams and weapons trading and the odd drone.

From China and Russia's point of view, the US literally birthed, grew, supplied, and trained ISIS. Because the US literally did exactly that. So the US can't be trusted to fix anything. The US went in gung ho killing shia and supporting sunni, and in the great irony that ended up happening; the animal the US was feeding turned around and bit the feeding hand.

In every possible measure, from politics to economics to religion to history, the US has yet to do anything except make things worse. Oh sure we saw womens faces and music in markets for a couple weeks. Those women are dead now though, and the music destroyed in bon fires. In addition, now the people also lack water, power, and food. All things that were stable when Saddam was still in charge, keeping the sunni and shia from fighting each other.

So neither Russia nor China want the US in the area making things yet worse, and as a result the US can't do shit.

It's all PR bullshit. The US media makes ISIS look dangerous, the US people demand protection, the US government does enough to sell the idea it is protecting the country. It's exactly the same song and dance that has been going on since the conclusion of WWII: the last time there was a legitimate reason to go to war.

ISIS is not particularly dangerous. Any highway on Earth is more dangerous than ISIS. Hells Angels, Mexican drug cartels, the remains of the mafias of the 70's, all these are as dangerous or more dangerous than ISIS. Mexican drug cartels in particular have beheaded hundreds of times as many people as ISIS has, and has been posting videos of it since Saddam was still in power when ISIS didn't exist.

If confronted by both organisations, I'd run to ISIS. There's at least a chance I could pretend to convert to islam and keep my head. With the drug cartel there's no chance in hell.

The only real solution is the same as it has always been: police action. ISIS is a criminal organisation. It is not a nation. It will never become a nation. It is a bunch of criminals doing criminal things, Treat them as such and everything becomes much simpler. China and Russia are infinitely more likely to collaborate on police action than military action, so those obstacles vanish. You are less likely to be labelled invader by locals and thus ISIS won't get the same recruitment numbers they see when a country tries to tell another country what to do by force. It makes locking up finances easier, it makes cooperaton between countries less frictional, and it doesn't require you take custody of a country until such time as it becomes stable enough to let it work its own future out because you aren't toppling the government while you're there.

Or just wait until the middle east countries who have hundreds of thousands of soldiers get tired of ISIS and walk through them like a hot knife through butter, because ISIS doesn't have a tenth of the military might in the region. Israel could probably take ISIS out by itself if it were sufficiently motivated. Get Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Iran and Egypt working together and ISIS would vanish in a week or less.

The insanity in clevland is about over, so now maybe we can get back to some sort of reality. They brought up that Americans want to be safe "again"----from crime and ----yup----ISIS. Great guns gosh almighty jumpin jehosaphat. Where did ISIS get all those aircraft cariiers, atomic submarines, battle wagons, intercontinental missles, troop carrier, and millions of troops to come here and take over the US to install radical Islamic law. The US citizens have enough firepower on their own to shoot the shit out of the whole works. I don't know of a single person that is afraid of ISIS. If I want to get some laughs I 'd go the bar and ask if any there are afraid of terrorists.

But alas, we have to put up with the whole works again next week. What we have here is the two least likely to win an election, and the only way one of them can win is if they are both running for the position. Crimony, think about that. 

Coerse the Canadian government into handleing the problem (namely yourself) for the US. The Federal Bureau of Instigations can get a extradition order--and you're on your way South. You should welcome and look forward to the opportunity. As they psychoanalyse you---you can do the same to them, and tell them what's wrong with themselves. They can't psychoanalyse me---I aready know what's wrong with them--and they would know I know.

ISIS would not be a threat if the US and Europe would close their borders. But the rich and powerful need access to endless supply of cheap labor and ignorant voters to increase their wealth and power, so we have open borders.

The militaries are bought and paid to protect the status quo. Just follow the money if you want to know why things are the way they are.

It's called the fat gene.

You want a war where it's everyone vs the US and the US gets smashed into rubble, illegally seizing private citizens innocent of wrong doing in foreign allied nations is the way to go. The US doesn't have the balls to go after Snowden even though he released classified data, they certainly aren't coming for me for making criticisms.

The US doesn't have the reach portrayed in its film industry. And even if it did I'm by no stretch the only one who says what I say. There are thousands of people with more power and resources who would be bigger targets. I keep a low enough profile that if some kind of Hitleresque purge were to occur, I'd have more than enough warning to get out of the way.

I don't need to watch what I say unless I become a celebrity or a politician or a representative of some company.

I hear ya. The idea of the Neo cons to build US supremecy in the world is an abject failiure. That brings me to the reason of my OP. Terrorism is an excuse to keep war going for economy's sake. Also my OP point--turn 50000 0311 Combat US Marine Grunts loose and the problem is solved. It's obvious they don't want to solve the problem. They can do everything else but put troops on the groung which would take care of matters in a hurry. If they're not going to use the solution then there's an alternative reason for being there and it's not terrorisim.

Over there in England (from the BBC News) The parents That lost sons in Iraq are highly pissed and want answers. An investigation showed Blair spouting lie after lie after lie, and nothing matches his war cliams. Blair was nothing more the a war puppet for the US. Floks here in the US are seeing the same. This deal has come home to roost As I predicted on a USMC forumwhen it started 14 years ago. It was only a matter of time and it looks like time is up. Abe Lincoln said if you recall---you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Bush and Cheny were stupid enough not to heed the advice.  People are getting to a point where the Gov had better stop it's nonsense, the people are catching on. Just wait until the marine that lost his legs catches on to the schrade--Holy Shit. The are US Marines right now highly pissed that Faluja was taken over by ISIS. They now know they've been had, they lost buddies for nothing.

They actually put the bag on a Psyciatrist who spoke out---a psychatrist????? The idea is for others to see and be afraid it'll be done to them . It's a way of getting round free speech rights---It shuts people up, that's the aim of it. Well hey, I'm glad to know you're a worthless dumbass that the US government wouldn't bother with.  

Of, dumb, stupid, and ignorant can be logical.