Your liberties are NOT lost. This virus is a contagent and a Novel virus which is very adapt and efficient at spreading quickly., You can carry it in you for up to a week without showing symptoms. That means anyone you come in contact with you could give it to. It isn't a matter of denying your rights, it is a matter of public safety. How would you feel if you got it, and found out you gave it to your family?  Close contact with others SHOULD be avoided as much as possible.

Going out right now should be limited to only when you need to. Once  a vaccine is made then things can get back to nomral. Instead of thinking only about what you want to do for yourself, think about how your actions can effect others. 

This isn't like personal choices like drinking or smoking. This virus does not care about borders, or race, or political party, or religion, or class, or zip code. It can infect ANYONE ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME. 

If I were your bartender or waiter, and I was sneazing , I could chalk it up to alergies if I had them, and you would have no way of knowing if I had it. Depending on surface the virus can exist for hours and even days. If you want to lick doornobs, go ahead, but that doesn't mean others want to come behind you and touch that same doornob.

And the evidence is in as far as pandemics. The 1918 Spanish flu showed the locations that had more people who conducted social distancing had less cases and less death, the locations that thought like you had more cases and more death.

This isn't about you personally. This is about saying to you, if you care about others, then you should want to do it. But if you don't want to do it, GOVERNMENT has every duty in the world to protect others from your bad logic.  Regulations to keep the public safe are not punishments. 

As the saying goes, "Your rights end where my nose begins."

I have friends who work in nursing homes. They have to be there, and they can tell you they are very worried themselves about bringing it home to their families. I also have another friend who works in a big box chain store, he just found out one of his co workers got it, and he too is extremly worried about getting it himself. And even meat packing companies have reported outbreaks in their processing plants. 

This virus does not care about where you work or what you do for a living. Nobody wants this. If you stupidly think liberals love these lockdowns and are simply doing it out of political spite, you are full of shit. Everyone, regardless of politics, has family and friends and co workers, and even within those circles we are politically diverse working side by side and even diverse within the same families. The virus does not care about politics or public opinion. 

I know you enjoy your strawman, but I don't support Trump, I'll only support someone that supports mandatory Norplant and sterilization to save life on this planet.

I could give a fuck about the worthless governments orders or the protesters. I practiced social distancing and prepared for pandemics long before this virus. Everytime I visited a libtard USA city, the fact that it was such an unsanitary shithole made me this way. Also, visiting other countries and seeing what an overpopulated shithole they are and seeing that more than doubling the world population in past 50 years has destroyed the environment and all wilderness areas.

I realized this is the way the world is the first time I ever visited one of the world's vanishing rainforests. I was blow away by the place but I had to bath myself in mosiquto repellent the entire time. You know why there are still rainforests? Because everytime humans tried to settle there, maliaria and denge put an end to it. These viruses are the rainforest's protectors.The real virus is ignoring the obvious fact that we are the virus to every other species.

But ignore all that and blame it all on Republicans and Capitalists, must easier than opening your eyes and using your brains.

 Forget Tinder- they tell you that you are supposed to social distance- Got that covered, I am the king of social distancing, I was doing it long before it was "cool", I go weeks at a time without even going into town. But then, they limited the hours of Walmart, then they put an employee smack in the middle of the doors so that you literally cannot walk into the store without passing within 6-feet of an employee, then they funnel everyone so that there are chokepoints- you know, a military tactic to force people together. It all seems quite counterproductive if your real goal is to keep people separated. I used to go to Walmart around 4-5 am. Know how many people I came within 20-feet of? The cashier. That's it. If I used the self-checkout, I could have done an entire trip without coming within a stones throw of anyone. Now, they aren't open, so I have to go when everyone else goes.

Apparently, Covid doesn't spread at Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot or other big chain stores. But the local shop, that rarely had more than 2-3 people in it at any given moment anyway is terribly dangerous. The idea that we have a snowballs chance in hell of reducing the spread of a highly contagious virus is utterly irrational. It will spread now, or it will spread later. We are literally attempting to do the impossible, and damaging the lives of many in the attempt. The virus isn't going to disappear, anymore than any other virus has disappeared. We can't even get rid of small-pox after decades of mass vaccinations. To even try is insane. I know our President has never been mentally stable, but I thought we had at least a few governors who were. Guess I was wrong. 

Actually @ Beyond,

COVID has spread to Walmart. I have a friend who works at a Walmart whom has said his store has had a confirmed case. That should not surprise anyone knowing that even Tyson meat processing company has had far worse. This virus does not give a fuck about where someone works, class, politics, economic view, religion, race, NOTHING.

It will infect and or kill anyone anywhere in the world.

 Lol, good to know some things never change. I didn't literally mean Covid doesn't strike Walmart- only pointing out the insanity of keeping some random (and typically very busy) places open, while forcing businesses that rarely have more than a customer or two at a time to close. Instead, our overlords decided that some things were "essential" while other things are "non-essential". It's all essential in my book. I've employed a lot of people in my life, I've never had an employee who was not essential- if they weren't essential I'd have saved my money and fired them. No business is essential to everyone- all businesses are essential to SOMEONE.  

So Brian what are you doing these days? Did the overlords deem you essential or non-essential? Are you ok with their assessment? 

No, it is a result of globalization, not a disease, but a RESULT of human consumption'greed.  it is our speed as a species that has allowed other life to take advantage of our invasive nature. 

If you are going to sit there and fucking bitch about how you cant ride a Harley or own a gun or drink a 5 million gallon Big Gulp, then fuck you. I personally am the reason you are stuck in your home, not because I am a lawmaker, but because I agree to keep other people safer, STAY AT HOME? Yea, I am the  bad guy. So you stupidly honstly think burning more fossil fuels at an increasing pace isn't hurting our species? 

OF COURSE if there are more humans traveling faster and consuming more at a faster pace, then bacteria and viruses and invavive species will piggyback on our behavior.

The meat processing plants "should have been automated".... What about the farms that bring the plants meat? What bout HUMANS requied to keep both the farms and factories sanitary?  Are you saing the machines don't have to be sanitized? Even in a fucking restaurant you don't have a perpetural motion machine that cleans the bathrooms customers use. 

Automation has it's limits too. Somoene still has to police the machines and fix the machines humans use. And if those machines have to do with processing meat, how the fuck is that different than knowing you have to clean off a meat grinder or meat slicer? More atutomation isn't going to take humans out of it. 

Betit toilets may save on toilet paper, but humans still have to maintain them.

Why are you mixing quotes with out attributing them to names? Half the shit you allegedly quoted me with I did not say.

My bottom line is that Trump is  fuckface, and even if I was a economic conservative, there still would be no way I could support the fuckface.

It is possible to tackle disease we've done so in the past. It is possible to taclke poverty, humans have done that too. HUMANS DON'T NEED MORE DISEASE OR GUNS..... How much do you want me to fuck with you on that, because I can, and will, because humanity doesn't need more of either.

 FYI BEYOND, "living" and "existing" are relitive words, and both subject to point of view.

If someone likes working 80 hours a week that is both living and existing. If someone else wants a life outside of their job and doesn't like killing themsesves physically to make someone else rich, they are also living and existing.

So all you are fucking arguing is, "If you don't live like I do, you are not living or existing".

"Welcome to Earth" so do nothing?

Bad shit happens? I thought "doomsday" bullshit was strictly a right wing theist patent, thanks for proving you are as fatalistic and delusional as any theist.

It is true that our species has a finite ride. But investing in fatalism is BULLSHIT, so why don't you switch teams because theists on average seem to want to shorten the ride tather than try to extend our species ride.

YES BAD SHIT HAPPENS, so? Fear is what you are bying into. "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

There is a HUGE difference than falling for doomsday bullshit, and fearing the conspiracies of what you fucking buy into. 

Go lick every doorknob you run into to prove your "bravery".

Firearms, war only prove our species capability to kill, they don't prove our species ability to avoid violence.

Just last week, I was in a "Publix" grocery store, and ran across another patrion who was wearing a mask. I thanked him because he understood. When I said, "Thank you for keeping your distance and wearing the mask he responded, " I am caring about you, and you are careing  about me." and NEITHER OF US were "packing".

i don't believe centuries. modern conditions have made everything move much faster. maybe A century. that's actually what scares me about the times we live in: everything can go to shit much faster.

I don't force anyone to do anything, I've never suggested the government should force anyone to do anything. Stay home til you starve to death for all I care. I have never suggested that you do or not do anything except perhaps a time or two intended to be friendly advice. You do whatever the fuck you want. If you want to live in a hamster ball and have everything you need delivered to your door and never leave you house again, I 100% support your right to do so. If someone else wants to go to a mega-church full of 10,000 Covid infected patrons looking for a miracle cure, good for them. Me, I would just like to get a proper hair cut, then eat at a restaraunt on a real plate. That is what freedom is.  

I never thought I would live in a country where someone literally is going to be spending time in jail for cutting hair. Fortunately it turned out to only be for a night or two, but seriously- if you think that is moral you are completely fucked in the head.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/shelley-luther-texas/

What does that have to do with anything?

Freedom isn't "based on" shit. Freedom is freedom. Either you have it, or you don't. Clearly, you don't value it. Apparently, the majority of Americans don't value it anymore either.

I routinely ignore the advice of medical experts. Medical experts also say you shouldn't drink (I do), smoke (I do), eat red meat (I do), or a bazillion other things. Judging by the growing waist lines of my fellow Americans, they obviously follow medical expert advice even less than I do. Are you proposing that we live in a technocratic society where what we can and can't do is dictated by medical experts?

These jobs will all be surely be automated. Beyond programming and repairing the robots, there won't be much else for humans to do. Eventually AI will eliminate even these. With fewer workers in the factory is much easier to be sanitary and have PPE for everyone.

What is going on now at meat processing plants and mega-farms is no different than pre-civil war slavery. You have wealthy owners that take advantage of non-citizenship status to have workers in completely unsantitary conditions at slave wages. If you're so anti-capitalist, why have you been brainwashed to support the absolute worst of capitalism? It is a modern slave trade complete with paying of the human smugglers.

Jail and fine the people that hire and rent to illegal immigrants and stop giving immigrant visas when there are Americans that need these jobs. Robotics engineers and technicians need to pay their bills to.

Except of course when it comes to limiting population density like what we have in NYC. No one should ever be forced to do anything to reduce overpopulation. Capitialists are free to bring in all the cheap labor and renters they can to increase their wealth. And of course, people will always be 100% entitled to have children they can not take care of and dump the expense onto the rest of society. You must always switch your position from extereme social responsibilty to extreme freedom depending upon who is paying the bill.

Smoking and drinking impact social health FAR more than Covid. Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions have been negatively impacted by other people drinking. 

Because you can't spread Covid at the grocery store?

1. Just because it is a law doesn't make it right.

2. It is perfectly legal to spread Aids, you are only required to notify people you are having sex with, and that law is certainly not construed to people who do not know that they have Aids. If you have been diagnosed with Covid, maybe there is some justification for mandatory quarantining. Quarantining people who have not even been tested is the equivalent of anti-sodomy laws to prevent the spread of Aids. Something that freedom lovers like myself opposed before it became trendy. 

Yes, your actions impact others. Government actions impact EVERYONE. I come in zero contact with anyone who has not also decided to take the "risk" of being in public. I'm not forcing myself into their homes. I go to Lowes and literally everyone there decided to take the same "risk" I took. Yesterday, I went out to eat with my girl and had a chat with the waitress. She was late 20's, early 30's. Guess what, she's a fucking waitress so she hasn't made a penny in over a month, buisiness was slow yesterday and she didn't get shit on a shingle from unemployment compared to what she usually makes. As someone who used to work in the restaurant industry I would think you'd realize how dependent such workers are on tips and how those tips aren't really reflected for unemployment. She was there very willinging and quite depressed that it was so slow. My girl left her a respectable tip and the girl broke down crying. Along with the government reopening, she has an eviction proceeding on the 24th when the moratorium expires. She had to give up custody of her children to their father because she didn't have enough money to provide a home. Why has she been denied the fundamental right to provide for herself and her two children?

So while your piece of shit ass, sits on your god damned high horse, safe and secure in your home, this poor girl lost her kids because she is unable to care for them and is now facing eviction because assholes like you tolerate this bullshit. Fuck you, you selfish sanctimonius prick. We had the ability to help her out and add a zero replace a good bit of lost income, but we don't have the resources to help the millions of other people out there in similar situations- we probably don't even have the resources to help all the people who have been crushed that I come in contact with. All the people who just want to do something useful, go to work and make an honest living being useful to society instead of just a steaming pile of shit waiting for their next government handout.

The factory workers who work their asses off but probably aren't the best at managing money- how many of them were prepared to lose 30-40% of their income overnight? A lot of them are dependent on overtime- none of which is covered by unemployment. Sure, I'd criticize them for not being more responsible, not having a proper savings account, but lets face it, most people don't. Nobody really expects to have their income just turned off overnight. 

I don't have any problems at all with medical advice. My sole problem is with those who use the violence of government action to impose their idea of "best practices" on everyone whether they want it or not. Like I said, I'm fine. I have mine and other than taking a month off of eating out and a casino trip that is a bit delayed, it hasn't impacted me much. I more or less did what I would have done anyway. Over the past month, I built a fence, I've worked on renovating my bathroom, did some grilling out and the only "law" (technically executive order, which contrary to popular belief is NOT a law) I broke was I put my kayak on the water before it was authorized. Not sure why it was ever "closed" it isn't like boaters come anywhere even close to being in Covid spreading range.

The 30 million unemployed people, they are the ones who are hurting. And I can be a bit of a selfish asshole, but I'd be lying if I said that my eyes didn't tear up when we were talking to that waitress. That my heart doesn't break a little when I think of the devastation being wrought on the lives of an entire generation of 20-30 somethings who don't have jobs high enough to be considered "essential" and don't get much in unemployment. Even for the stupid fucking Uber drivers who were already working for slave wages and are getting like $40/week in unemployment.

And, in the coming weeks, I know that I'll be driving past dozens of small businesses that are never going to reopen. Each one representing somebody's dream that has been crushed and likely personal bankruptcy for the owner. You know what? I've been there. I've built businesses on a shoestring budget where shutting down for a week would have meant I was bankrupt and that everything I had poured my heart, soul, personal savings and time into would have been for nothing. Then a little bit of that anger seeps in, and I so wish that all these pompous, arrogant, fascist fucks- who sit there collecting their salaries (because obviously THEY happen to be "essential&quot and declare all these rules, crushing peoples lives. For them, I hope we are wrong and there is a hell, because they deserve it- every last god damn one of them.  

But then I remember what you always say- fuck'em, I've got mine. I can't save the world, I can't save the country, fuck I can't even save my county. Occasionally, I can reach into my pocket and help up some random soul when the stars align. Relatively low cost to me personally, relatively significant for them. Maybe some of them are people who will actually use that assistance to make long-term improvements and aren't just going to blow it and end up in the same sorry situation again. At least I like to believe that, so I will. 

Maybe I could get back in the game. Take some capital and invest. I can't help everyone, but I could build a little portfolio of maybe 3-5 businesses with bailout loans and equity investments. Probably make a good profit, maybe even make myself truly "rich", but I just don't have it in me anymore. Watching over my cash, running numbers, calculating and recalculating projections, dealing with the inevitable employee bullshit and bumping heads with various government goons to get approval for every damned change, getting sued by some fuck looking to make a quick buck? I just don't have it in me anymore, I don't want to wake up every morning with this fire or that fire to put out. Does that make me selfish? 

It doesn't. It is called polite conversation. Apparently what you are doing is very important to the government. 

If neither you nor I matter, then why do the lives of others matter? What makes us different? (Not sure what the age of the universe has to do with what "matters" inanimate objects cannot care about anything, so therefore absolutely nothing "matters" to them including the universe)

The sane are going out and living their lives. Working, providing for their loved ones who matter greatly to them, producing the goods and services that allow you to cower in the corner of your home. The reality is that everytime we step out of our homes we run the risk of unintentionally harming others. A quick lapse could cause a car accident that could permanently maim or kill someone. Heck, a friend of mine was helping me build a wall and accidentally hit me in the head with a hammer, fortunately it was just a graze. Should we all stay isolated forever because anytime humans interact there is a chance of death? You could be spreading any of a thousand communicable diseases. 4.6 million people have died of communcable diseases year to date. Roughly a quarter of a million of those was Covid. So statistically speaking, even if you killed someone by spreading a communicable disease this year, there is a 95% chance that disease was something OTHER than Covid. 

There are also unintended consequences when the government orders businesses shut-down and people to stay home. How many health problems have been caused? Dollars to donuts says that the suicide rate is up materially. Domestic violence is certainly up. Isolating yourself is known to cause all sorts of psychological health issues that can manifest as physical health issues- it is literally a form of torture. Humans are social animals.

Additionally, outpatient medical care has all but ceased. "Non-essential" surgeries have been stopped forcing people to deal with immense pain, and allowing their conditions to worsen so that when they can have their procedure, it might not be as effective. How many people have become addicted to opiods because of this? Put a human in enough pain, and they will do things that are out of character. How much damage and destruction will that cause? And the waitress I met the other day. She is losing literally everything. What do humans do when they lose everything? Well, they tend to do things like turn to drugs, sometimes turn to criminal activity and all sorts of bad things. 

You pretend to "care", but do you really? Have you even stopped for one moment and considered what harm might be befalling others? All you want to talk about is me, and you. I told you, I'm fine. Everything I need is on my property. My income has increased over the past month because a collapsing stock market is an opportunity to make tons of cash. I can buy cash-flow today at half the price I had to pay just 3-months ago. My life hasn't been significantly impacted.

What do you have to say about all the people who have had their lives crushed, who are going to lose their homes, who have lost their jobs, their businesses. Do you give a flying fuck about them? Have you even thought for one moment "Is this worth it?" At the very least I think it is a calculation worth considering. Literally nobody in power is considering it. Meanwhile, Sweden, which hasn't shut down, hasn't turned fascist, and has continued as normal- has a death rate that is inline with other countries. So the real sad part of all this, is that there is a very good chance that all this damage isn't saving a single mother fucking life. Which is what the experts said initially- flattening the curve through isolation was NEVER intended to reduce the number of infections. Because it won't. You can't stop a virus- they are tiny little fuckers that multiply like crazy and are everywhere. 

anyhow, it's nice to see the old shit flarin' back up again. i reckon all this FUBAR was good for that, at least.

Because you stated how you are huddled in fear inside your home. 

What gives you the right to tell people how they should live? I don't agree to your "agreement". We have a social agreement, it is called the Constition. Unfortunately, our government decided to stop following that agreement a long time ago. If this were a business contract, I'd declare the other side in default and dissolve the relationship.  

I imagine about the same I'd feel if I got in a car accident that killed someone, or any of a bazillion actions I might take that could accidentally lead to death. How would you feel if someone you loved committed suicide because they had lost everything they cared about due to the government shutdown orders you support? How would you feel if someone you loved was in immense pain on a daily basis because they couldn't go to the doctor to have the procedure done that would relieve that pain? How would you feel if someone you loved died in a hospital, and you were prevented from being there to say goodbye? These are things that are happening to people all across the country every day. 

Then they are probably working in the wrong field. Worrying constantly is not healthy. And no, they don't HAVE to do their jobs. Absolutely nobody is going to arrest them, harrass them or fine them if they choose not to go to work. For other workers, they don't have the luxury of choosing (including many nurses who have been laid off). 

The law doesn't distinguish based on means. It is banning people from working, period. It doesn't say "don't work unless you need to", it says "these businesses cannot operate" and those businesses include a lot of workers who are not living high on the hog. You have demonstrated absolutely zero empathy for them and have failed to even recognize the collateral damage done to them in your vendetta against those who have means.  

Good for you, that is your choice. I have a friend who works at the port. He is an "essential worker" so he has been working the whole time. He comes over every Sunday morning for breakfast. Despite it being very likely that he has exposure to numerous people who have had Covid at his job, we have continued our tradition. My girl volunteers for the Red Cross, going out and assisting people when things like house fires happens. And you know what she does when someone is staring at everything they own go up in flames? She gives them a hug, because she's a fucking human and she doesn't think twice about whether she might get Covid from it. Both of them have WAY more contact with random people than I do. As I discussed above, I really don't have much contact with any strangers on a daily basis. And you know what? If I get Covid, and die- because I do fall into a higher risk category, of the people I know, I am the HIGHEST risk to actually die of this thing- oh well. I wouldn't trade those happy moments in my life for a damn thing. And fuck those who would expect me to.  

I feel sorry for you that you have allowed fears prevent you from doing what you dream. If you want to see those places, you should schedule a trip as soon as restrictions are lifted. One day, you will be on your deathbed, and it is too late then to regret not doing the things that you wanted to do. 

Did you read what I wrote? The part about how this has barely impacted my life because I live a fairly isolated life anyway? This isn't about ME. I'm not sad about what I'M restricted from doing. I'm the kind of guy who has the luxury of doing what I want, when I want and if I want to do something against the government restrictions, I can afford the fine (as far as I know, the only restriction I violated was going out on "closed" water and I was more than willing to pay the ticket). I am mostly self-sufficient. I have a garden, I have a freezer full of enough meat to last a year, I have enough money to pay all of my bills for the rest of my life without working a single day. I'm not upset for me, I'm upset for those who are not in my position and are having their lives crushed by arrogant fascists like you who think that everyone has to be controlled by the same absurd fears you have. 

The only thing that matters is maximizing human population growth. So you must obey your corporate media/political indoctrination masters. Push aside massive numbers of other species, destroy all wildness areas not dedicated to maximizing human population growth. Welcome every immigrant escaping overpopulation in their native lands and make your city have a massive housing shortage.

This means you can have no fun if it gets in the way the prime directive of maximum population. Travel around the world is unnecessary and will just contribute to global warming. We must come up with a vaccine for Covid to continue our dominace over the planet, but never ever make people use birth control at the same time. Thinning out the herd and limits on population growth are for other species, not ours.

As you sit in your home prision, just remember you are a complete and total slave to other people's libido for all the days of your life on this earth.

But there is always the sacred right to hook up with anyone and have a baby, then dump the cost onto others and of course doesn't matter the environment. Enjoy this only, it is the only sacred freedom we have.

So when are you going to grow up and stop playing an Atari?

So when are you going to grow up and start playing an Atari?

Fixed.

i was in college in the early '00s when they came out with this atari joystick that hooked into the TV with the classic tricolor split AV cable. it had, i think, 15 or 20 atari games built in. man, i wish i could find that thing. i'm sure it's gathering dust in a gray plastic tote, stacked under about 8 other totes, in an obscure corner of dad's garage.

i'm guessing brian objects to atari because he seems to object to fiction in general. i bet if they'd had "carl sagan's incredible higgs boson blast!!!" on the atari, he'd be combing the flea markets for one.

don't forget the rubber coming off, so you ended up with a white plastic stick.

what cracks me up is that repubs don't seem to realize how close to socialism bailouts are. it's basically paying the price for nationalization (more, probably) without any of the benefits.

well, fascism definitely sounds like what trump is doing (and madeline albright makes a good case for that in her recent book). fascism historically hasn't nationalized industries. it's a form of government that's been in bed with the biggest capitalists, handing out contracts like donuts, and the working class essentially pays for things twice over: once, when their taxes pay for the fatcats' remuneration, and, twice, when they pay for the products they make. of course, both the fascist politicians and the fatcats are interested in keeping unemployment high. the fascists like it because it keeps the working classes angry, and they are easily distracted by scapegoats whom they usually don't like anyway (foreigners, jews, muslims, other races, fatcats who don't toe the line, e..g., soros, etc.) or who don't really exist (the "deep state," the global jewish conspiracy). the capitalists like it because it keeps the workers at each other's throats for low-wage jobs. of course, they always try to benefit (or appear to benefit) at least one group that can keep them in power (in america, that's traditionally the middle class). of course, fascists are the most enthusiastic union-busters.

i would say fascism never had any sort of theory at all, beyond something like "the nation is always right" (nation as opposed to state, mind you; hitler did an excellent job dismantling the state almost completely).

hitler's only principle was that the strongest race has every right to dominate. near the end of the war in europe, he was heard to remark that if the german people couldn't destroy their enemies, they deserved annihilation.

you're spot-on about trump. he has no principles beyond "what's good is whatever's good for me." if he's clever about anything, he's clever in recognizing who can get him what he wants and knowing how to tell them what they want to hear. i think it's hilarious how neo-nazis like bannon will continue to defend him, even after he chucked bannon out on his alcoholic ass. what none of his supporters seem to realize is that he holds them in utter contempt, just as he does everyone else. he would sell all the gun-toting racists and xenophobes up the river if it would make him a greasy buck or keep him in office another four years (or put him there for life, which is obviously his greatest dream). he's gambling on the fact that there are more racists and xenophobes in america than any other group, and he's right. i don't honestly believe he believes or even thinks much about what he says, other than his being the greatest president of all time and so on. i do believe he is a racist and a misogynist, but only as an effect of the fact that he hates everyone other than himself. if anything, he's a solipsist.

adults are trying to talk.