Thanks Captain Obvious, did you happen to see the bottom of the original post?

"Source/Credit: Steve Wells Skeptics Annotated Bible Check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com"

 

Steve Wells is a personal friend of mine and he appreciates that his information has been spread through our site.  So what the hell is your point?   Does this mean that all of the sudden your imaginary friend is a moral character now?  Other than merely grasping at straws, I'm failing to see why your post is relevant or of strong argument... which is on par with normal theistic argumentation.

 Steve and I are looking to do a recycle bible project someday, look for it down the road.

 

 

I've always found it interesting how christians give their god a pass for breaking the rules he'd throw them in hell for breaking.

Hey christians, does God really have a covenant with you if you're the only one bound by it?

Who made the satan? did the god according to the bible? Creator of all things then that would include the angels and the satan. Seems to me since the god is considered omniscient then it is responsible for allowing the satan to be present when laying down this law to the supposed only two living human beings on earth. It is responsible for not protecting or warning them from and about the satan. It is responsible for not giving them knowledge before laying down a law they wouldn't be able to understand from not having knowledge. It is responsible for allowing satan to exist in the first place when it knew the angel Lucifer would fall and thus become the satan. You need to think why your bible doesn't explain this or even bother to point it out.

 

 

Ah so the god loves them, provides protection only on the condition they worship the god and basically be slaves to the god.

Also their protection from other nations was murdering, slaughtering their enemy not the work of some invisible satan or protection from some invisible god unless, of course, the god were real as you claim it is. When the Rabbi's, preists, religious leaders layed down the laws I think it was to bring some amount of peace to society. Kind of like what we have now with law enforcement. But what happens when people get sick and tired of having to obey the religious leaders - they question the religious leaders, who are they to tell us how to live.  So what must be done to bring up moral, ease a guilty conscience, get revenge and console and keep the masses (society) under control they make up the god. It's not me saying this it's the god who lays down the law and he told me (us) to pass the laws to everyone.  What happens when people question the god and the god never once speaks to them, the people can't hear, see, feel the god?  The satan comes into the story.  See where I am going here. Why pass the buck to another human they can disobey, kill when they can make up an invisible, all powerful being to scare the crap out of them ane when over time that doesn't work well you can see where the fear of the satan fits in.

If your brilliant, all powerful, sacraficial, omniscient god were just that or real then it would have known what the satan was planning to do with Adam and Eve and prevented it all from happening in the first place. There never would have been a need to balance any scales had the god been a real god or existed.  What sacrafice was there when the jesus is considered to be the god and didn't really die, according to your bible, or go to the hell in our place. He is supposedly living at the right hand of the god and not considered dead. Hmm the god sacraficed itself to itself all for a mistake he himself made then blamed all humans.  

So the god doesn't think to protect Adam and Eve by preventing the satan from entering eden, the earth, their lives. It doesn't think to give them knowledge before expecting them to know what sin is, what the satan is doing or even understand what the god orders them not to do. The god who had no problem murdering all those people in the flood all of a sudden had a problem with removing and or killing the other fallen angels.

I have been told when people die from disease, accidents etc etc. it's the god who decides who will live or die so that makes the god responsible for their death. What happened to  'ask and you shall receive'?   'what happened to thou shalt not kill?' yet so many people are killed in the name of the god. What about the gods intervention? whoops wait there isn't any god to intervene. Your story reads like a fairytale and the satan was made up to cover up for the god and bring fear.

And talking about god and so called "judgement day" , if this all was real and god asked me in the final day that why didnt i do anything "right" before and deserve bath to heaven ? And how i denied the "holy shit" (i mean "holy spirit&quot and so on and on... bla bla... You know how would i reply to him ?
   "but god , you made me just the way as i am.You gave me my body , my soul , my personality.How is it even possible you dont understand me as i was made to be ? I simply did as my nature told me to do and the that nature was given to me by YOU! You should understand me down to the the smallest details and there force love me as i am.So throw me into fire , you all "loving" , "understanding" shithole of the world! I think hell will be much better anyway as i dont have to sit together with your sheep like christian followers!  And by the way , shoulnt you already know the answer ? You are the god after all! Why did you ask anyway ?"
   And its funny how these christians threat people with "apocalypse" , same time not knowing it has nothing to do with world ending and destruction! Or those muslims , using word Jihad , but same time it doesnt mean "holy war" in the first place! It means struggle damn it! Its like taking word "conflict" and thinking it means "blessed killing"!

 

Yeah.  I kinda thought I said that.  Publishing someone else's work would kinda be like, well, publishing someone else's work.

And... I don't see the straws.  You posted someone else's work.  I pointed that out.  WHere's the straw?

 RZ

BTW - Would you mind telling me who at RRS took it upon themselves to change my "status" to "Theist?"  I don;t think I would call myself that - and I certainly didn't change it to that.

 

 

Ooopsie!  I made  a rather revealing typo there....

Offhand, I think this

"Consider this farther. Forget all these peon men and women and children. God killed his OWN SON on account of sin. His own Son who was worth more than all the men, women, and children on earth - COMBINED."

got you the theist badge. 

What if it turns out that you've already done it? You're of those who tend to think of time as strictly linear... aren't you?

that...

 

So, it's ok for others at RRS to decide to label me how they think or feel about me.  But I can't so the same?

 

Ok, I think I'm starting to see the link to "rational responder" here.

If I clearly identify myself as having charateristics consistent with a group, it's OK (even to be expected) that others will lump me in with them.

 

I guess I can't (or shouldn't) argue with that.

It would be dishonest of me to say that I hadn't formed opinions of others here based upon what THEY have said.

So "theist" is an accurate, if not self-applied nomenclature.

 

Still.... one might have ASKED....

 

RZ

 

They DID that?  How lame is THAT?

One thing I'll give you guys is that you are consistent and there's certainly no claim of "duplicity" to be laid to your charge in that regard!

 

To all those other "theists" out there, please at least be honest about who you are.  It makes the rest of us look bad.  (Or, well, worse than we already look to these guys

 

heh

 

 I would think if the god did actually talk to I saiah describing the earth he / she/ it would say it created the earth as a spherre.  SI think they simply looked up a the sky saw the sun was a circle shaped and saw the moon was a circle shape and so they claimed the god told them the same about the earth.  

Also doesnt' it say some where, can't remember off hand, the earth is held up by its pillars?  If I am understanding the correct meaning of the word pillars the that isn't true either.  I saw the astronauts on the computer live from Nasa and never saw any pillars holding up the earth in space.  They guessed at best then made the claim the god spoke to them and people today still fall for this nonsense. 

brians says "God sent lions to kill some foreigners" he makes it seem like god just said "oh wow some foreigners let me kill them for no reason".thats is totally not the case. the verse said "17:25 And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them." they didnt fear the lord so they are of the devil.when you have no fear of the lord you will do acts such as killing,raping,stealing etc. many people in prison "HAD" no fear of the lord. they mindset was "oh as long as i dont get caught killing or stealing im ok", they have no fear or regrets of nothing. this can be known as "no consciousness" when you deny god you slowy loose emotions satan has no emotions he is ruthless and regretless. when i said most prisioners "HAD" no fear of god i meant they had none before they went to prison, but that most likey changes for at least some people. while they spend time in prison they began to think, and ultiamtely they sometimes realize their is a god and they know theve made an mistake, if they ask for forgiveness god will forgive them. but they still must pay for what they have done. my main point is that god doesnt kill people for no reason there is always a reason.

 

CONTREDICTION ALERT !!!!!

 

 

 

1)      Murder Evil

2)      Murder sends me to haven = GOOD

 

 EVIL != GOOD

 

So lets say I wont to kill you dip shit com on name the place and the time I have the methods I’m perfectly capable of kill you bring it on !

 

I’m waiting If you are right on this point then I’m jest sending you to your father here is the question how are you feeling about it ? Are you happy to go to your father thru my hands ? Then WTF can you say murder is evil if I’m sending people to haven thru it  ? So lets make it easy for you :

 

1)      I kill

2)      So I send you to haven

3)      Haven is good

4)      Killing is good

 

Are you seeing the contradiction ? Or are you incompetent ? Is it evil to make people happy ? is it evil to give good things to children ? Is it evil to give the best gifts to babies ? Isn’t Haven the best place ever ?

Then WTF is it evil to get babies/children/people to haven if it’s the best place and it exists ? WARNING if you deny this you state GOD is EVILLLLLLLLL !!!! If haven is real and exists then killing the act of sending it to the best place is a incredible act of generosity and goodness . If you believe in this god nonsense then killing must be the most good act in the world. Your behavior shows that you don’t believe in this nonsense and if you start cursing the most blessed act of killing like abortion then you show that you don’t believe in god and are going to HELLL.

Except none of them (Satan, God, Jesus) ever actually existed and none of that shit ever really happened.

I bind thee Clark from doing harm, harm to other people or yourself. I bind thee Clark from doing harm, harm to other people or yourself. I bind thee Clark from doing harm, harm to other people or yourself.

There you go a little witchcraft for you to pray to Jesus over.

But as Matt Damon the angel Loki in the movie Dogma said. I don't believe in Voodoo (in my case witchcraft) but still doesn't it look like you.

Hey Clark,

Have you looked around and noticed how ineffective your rebuke was? So much for "the fervent prayer of a righteous man", eh?

That should tell you something but I don't think it will.

wow thats a small number, god should have killed us all. He is so gracious and merciful!

 

no one deserve to live, we are all wicked,evil, vile and radically depraved. He is none of those things.

 

the so called "good atheist" doesnt exist, he takes credit for grace that didnt come from himself but from god, you see god works good even through unbelievers. and not on any merit they have whatsoever.

 

That's right! We are all inherently evil and sinful because a woman made of a rib ate a magical fruit off a forbidden tree on the advice of a talking snake with legs in a mystical fairy garden in an episode set up by a vindictive, petty, racist, sexist, homophobic, magician in the sky who sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself as the only possible means of offering forgiveness to a select few gullible enough to believe such a load of horse shit.  Thank you god for your god damn grace...

I don't think I've ever seen someone that hates themself that much.  Please, see a psychiatrist.  This isn't meant in a condescending way, I am truly concerned.

 

       Right, right, I suppose that’s an easy judgment to make considering… No wait, how in the hell would you know? Considering that the list you just rambled off is self defacing, I’m not so sure you’re qualified to make that judgment… or any judgment regarding moral matters.
      

      At the very least it’s safe to say that these are all qualities you recognize in yourself. So, while you probably think you're just being honest, what’s really taking place is you’re shooting yourself in the foot so to speak. You’ve simply left us with no reason to take your opinions or judgments seriously in light of your self admitted character flaws. As if that weren’t bad enough, and to further agitate things, even if one was to accept your position concerning our state of moral degradation, you’ve failed to pick up the link between the human condition and your Gods failure. Evil wouldn’t exist if not for your God; moreover, the fact that he can stop it but has instead chosen to let it fester, only speaks further to define your God as being morally bankrupt.
 

In another post you claim your family is supposedly catholic but wouldn't know it unless you talked to them. Perhaps it is presumptuous of me to believe that you mean they don't openly wear their religion on their sleeves. Then you go on to state that organized religion can be almost blasphemous. I am seeing some form of disconnect here. Do you adhere to the teachings of the catholic church yourself or do you only follow what you decide is the truth as you see it?

I can honestly repect those that question the authority of any body, including religious organizations, that claims to have found the truth. This is an area that most "believers" and atheists can agree on. Most here openly oppose traditional religious belief but do not oppose individuals for holding whatever beliefs they hold in the privacy of their own minds. If you believe in xenu it doesn't affect my life in any way as long as you don't push your views on me. However, the majority of all believers attend church services of some type and those that do not are usually more open to critical thinking. I believe we can solve many of the problems of the world if we can find ways to look beyond our own misconceptions of others.

That being said, organized religion is a threat to the individual freedoms in the US (and the rest of the world for that matter) Atheists, such as myself, have no problem with calling bullshit to the power of organized religion in public policy decision making. Your statement that we have a poor understanding of organized religion is without merit. I believe that most of us here fully understand organized religion and that is why we openly stand against it and not against the right of individuals to hold beliefs that are not harmful to society.

You speak like your book has some kind of authority.  Would you like me to quote sections of the koran in reply, the bagva ghita, or maybe even harry potter?  Either way, all you're doing is invoking special pleading "these groups are bad, but our group is good because it is".

 

 bible doesnt talk like that, it more like

 

there is no one who does good, no not even one- Romans 3:10

So in other words he's a complete asshole that doesn't deserve recognition, let alone worship.

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