Gavagai's debate
Posted on: November 24, 2007 - 7:42pm
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Gavagai's debate
let's see what you have Gavagai
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He didn't bother to read Rev's challenge because Rev isn't important enough. He's not going to share his secret with us mortal types.
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"I am not an atheist." -- Albert Einstein
Oooh... Oooh... I can play the appeal to authority game, too!
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being. (Albert Einstein, 1936) Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) Following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding Do you believe in God? Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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"I am not an atheist." -- Albert Einstein ?
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both natural and spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism." -Einstein
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I always love the Einstein game. It's killing time, anyway, until Gavagai denounces us as unworthy of his wisdom.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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yup .... E rocks , a good friend, he hated war , .... and such stupidy ......
Is Gavagai's avatar really him? I wonder if he has any happier faces.
This should be his avatar:
His avatar is of Vincent Gallo, actually. He's a controversial American actor, director and musician.
If Rev's not good enough for him than he's not good enough for us.
Hamby, as the head of the board now, could you try to convey that I no longer have any interest whatsoever in bringing Christians on the show who come on here asking to get on, and refuse other debate offers from regular posters?
Personally I'm offended and insulted. There are a great many minds on this forum, we are a group, all of us stand as one. This isn't a church with 4 people at the top, it's a huge group of individuals who are fed up with religions irrational dominance on our lives, many of whom are highly capable of explaining why. Any one of you is just as capable at picking out the flaws in theistic argumentation, and it's an insult to all of us when theists come on insisting on a forum with us on their terms.
Fuck these assholes, have them listen to a show, which it seems they never do, and then see if they want to come on. (free RRS shows)
Phrase it however you want, come up with whatever specifics you want... new rule:
IF THEISTS WANT A PIECE OF THE PASTORS AT CHURCH RRS, THEY MUST TAKE A STAB WITH THE CONGREGATION.
If the congregation and Deacon Hamby agree the person is worthy of RRS counseling and therapy sessions, then it shall be.
Other than that... any theist who isn't out to simply pull a stunt on a message board can feel free to write us via our contact form, and be prepared to wait in a long line. Getting something in our email box, as opposed to the forum is much more likely to get you on the show.
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I just looked up Vincent Gallo and saw that he made a movie titled 'The Brown Bunny' and was in a band named 'Bunny'. Before knowing this, I thought Gavagai used the name because he was a philosophy student and a fan of Quine's ('Gavagai' is a word used by Quine to illustrate the indeterminancy of translation which, in the example, means 'rabbit'
but now I am finding a hare of a theme here. So, Gavagai, what's up with the bunny references, Doc?
“Philosophers have argued for centuries about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, but materialists have always known it depends on whether they are jitterbugging or dancing cheek to cheek" -- Tom Robbins
Arguing that theism isn't necessarily irrational, by Strafio
Try something like this Gavagai, or join the debate
Brown Bunny was the movie where Chloe Sevigny (Yes, I know I spelled it wrong. I don't know how to say it or pronounce it) gives a dude head. (Not simulated... damn graphic, actually) If I remember properly, it was the director.
At least, that's what my pornographic mind recalls at the moment.
Dunno if that's any insight into Gav's personality or not. I just think head on screen is cool, and I never miss a chance to talk about it.
Oh, and yeah... I'm on it Sapient. Jake commands his prophet, and his deacons obey.
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Yep, that's the one.
Einstien was a pantheist, not an atheist.
That's off topic, but did this have a topic to begin with or is Gavagi's argument '?' ?
Correct. Einstein was a pantheist. No, there's no real topic. This thread is devoted to poking fun at Gavagai since he hasn't deigned to grace us with his earth shattering proof that theism is rational.
Plus, I'm slightly offended that he doesn't think me intellectual enough to understand his profound wisdom, so it's a chance for me to vent.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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He has graced us all with some new inspirational writing, he's changed his signature
"Rude, offensive, irrational jackass."
Yes I think we can anticipate at least one letter or symbol a week
But Rev, will you agree to give him ten minutes uninterupted to assemble his strings of letters/symbols into an argument?
Cool, so I won't offend Gavagai if I finally point out that's one of the ugliest humans I've seen. His mouth looks like stab wound.
I thought he looked familiar.
Too bad he won't just call the show, I have a small bet with myself that he talks with a fake accent.
Hey Brian, what has you thinking Gav is 'christian'? I was under a different impression, actually I recall Gavagai making major statements against christian dogma.
Ok that's just Weird
What is it 'Bush Week', or something? why so much irony today?
BTW. I've been thinking Gava"guy" is a Gava'gal'.
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? would one assume an attempt at a refined English accent like wot I got ?
Yeah, but I reckon it's nothing like the real thing, mate
Just stopped by to check on the debate for today. I see Gavagai's come through with some enlightening stuff.
What makes you say that?
In the 'Why is theism irrational?" thread I noted that Gavagai was referring to 'his' self in the third person as she/her. I thought it might be a deliberate quirk of Gavagai's personal vernacular, or a true mark of Gavagai's gender, but I couldn't really decide which.
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Interesting, Eloise. It could also be that he's just particularly sensitive to gender bias, but you make a strong point.
Not that it has anything to do with anything, but several years ago, I got into the MMORPG thing pretty heavily for a while. You know, Evercrack, World of Warcraft, etc. Ever the scientist, I always played two characters, one male and one female. The two things I learned:
1) Females get more stuff from dudes playing dudes.
2) Other females can always sniff out a male playing a female.
Long way around to say you might very well be right. Then again, when I write a long series of essays, or chapters, I sometimes alternate gender usage by section, though I'm sure I'm historically biased towards third person male pronouns.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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OK then, new debate topic:
Gavagai, gal or guy?
Thank you, I'm here all week...
"The powerful have always created false images of the weak."
The internet
Guys are guys
Girls are guys (G.I.R.L=Guy In Real Life)
and children are FBI agents.
I'll leave you to guess my gender.
I think we should start questioning not only every other poster's sex, but also their sexuality. It could be a great bonding experience.
From being here a total of three weeks, I think Pineaple is a bi, Hambdamnit likes Pineaple, and Pineapple likes anyone who says they are an athiest (which is why she spends so much time in an atheist forum. Who's with me?)
This belies the question of why I spend time on this forum, but this is for another post.
I also think that every Fundamentalist Christian who comes here must be gay. Why else would they want to get battered so much, if not to beat their beliefs into the closet so that they can get out?
Hmmm... If Pineapple is bi.... and female... and likes abuse.... you may be onto something. You spelled my name wrong, by the way.
I've always thought Pineapple is a masochist. Actually, I think Losingstreak is a lot more masochistic than Pineapple. But losingstreak has a cartoon butt up in the air, and I don't find that particularly attractive.
Many closet cases are waiting for your revelation.
At least all the Catholic and Southern Baptist ones. (What is it about Southern Baptist Youth Ministers... they are all gay!)
This entire post has been in jest, but I do wonder sometimes about Republican Gay Christians. I mean, seriously, how much do you have to love the closet to do that to yourself?
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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