Proove there is no God.

Define God.

Heh, I like you guys already. Ok, the Christian God then, sorry if I came off kind of... retarded. I was in a hurry.

I think the bible is not literal, therefore not the infallible word of God. God is omnipresent.

Christian God would be the one who sent his son to die for the sins of human kind. I believe he is omnipresent whether he is all knowing and all loving is unimportant. I know which parts are literal and which aren't based mainly on the proof we've uncovered on most of these things. Jesus was a real person who was really crucified beyond that could be metaphor. I don't know.

Daniel 4:10-11

4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth

Question. Standing on this tree gives you the sight to see the whole world.... If it was Flat. Is the world flat or did God change it to a sphere when we went into space. Anyone know?

Not in the manner I believe it isn't.

Yes that is my definition of the Christian God, feel free to run with whatever stereotypes you've already collected though.

Bring up any point you wish and I'll answer it to the best of my ability.

Interesting read:

... Faith, you can't prove god doesn't exist anymore than I can prove he does exist, to debate this would be redudant and futile.

God:

So Christian God is one of those, whom sent it's son to die for the sins of humanity.

Which one is he? I thought you didn't know if he was omnipotent and omniscient. Do you know now?

You win, I'm an Athiest now.

You win, i'm convinced that you're not an idiot.

Quit being so sure of yourself, it's a big fucking universe anything is possible. The problem I have with Athiests is that you think your so right about everything it's pompous it's retarded. Someone on this very forum asked me to describe things people would fight over if they weren't fighting over religion. Let me say that again, SOMEONE ASKED ME TO DESCRIBE THINGS PEOPLE WOULD FIGHT OVER IF THEY WEREN'T FIGHTING OVER RELIGION! The guys on your radioshow are retarded and close minded, they don't realise they've just jumped boat from one extreme to the other. They were devout Christians, now they're devoutly not christian, in the meantime neither group have any proof their right, just philosphical battles of witt that don't do much at all. To tell you the truth anyone who looses their faith to these jackasses is just of weak mind, why? Because like you said, you cannot prove a thing.

hahaa nice rant but you didn't address my reply.
Yes, anything is possible, EVEN YOUR GOD, but his existence is NOT PROBABLE. And it is not possible for me to have faith in something that is not probable. Yes, many of us have gone from one extreme to the other . . . because it is something we feel strongly about. Your participation in these 'philosphical battles of witt', even your presence on these forums, shows that it is not a futile exercise.

Probable? That's what you say, others hold different beliefs than you. Trust me I'm not going to go around asking people what they think is probable and not it's relative. I feel strongly that you guys are wasting your time and should all collectively shut up, Christians included.

Who cares, I was joking, I said whatever complications arise from his being alive, may not be that compelling, since my time machine isn't coming along to well, you'll have to forgive me if I don't have an exact answer.

I'm spreading the good word, of shut up. This debate is pointless. Go home and be content that you can live however you want without having other people authenticate it for you, or trying to convince people they're wrong because this is lame.

I go to a Christian private school and know a lot about theology. So I feel pretty safe in saying, neither side has any compelling arguments.

Yeah god forbid we find any sort of neutral ground, you caught me, it looks like my trickery and reverse psychology haven't worked. I know one thing for a fact. I believe that I'm tired. This is a Faith based initiative. You could argue that I'm just not awake enough and I need to work it out. I could counter that I am me and it is my choice, you could call my choice stupid or improbable and unlikely, you could even find logical loopholes in the term tired. Goodnight.

This one has too much pride, no matter what we say he won't deconvert.

Let us all think for him, praise nothing!

one thing I can't realize is the fact that: many evolutionist would claim that the world is eternal and can start life without cause. or if there was ever a cause God wouldn't be it.
to me atheist would be the same thing to that of a theist the only difference is that one believes in a supreme being and the other doesn't yeah I've read this whole thread and I did get some ideas off of it.
you say its open minded to you and that we were the ones brainwashed.. well didn't darwin brainwash those who believe in the evolution theory? I wouldnt say I was brainwashed since I've looked up the evidence for me to believe which is right and which is wrong. not saying I am right or wrong. but things I need to also think about is that even some bioligy teachers in high school are devout christians who well just teach something they dislike. I am sure if evolution was infallible they would certainly have became atheist which is a belief not a free minded state.

We can only define God based on the descriptions we have on him. Since there is no real world evidence that we can see right now and say "Look. See that ? That's the face of God. That was a footstep left by him when he visited our town", we have therefore to rely on the closest source to his beginning and his times. Up to the present date, that source would be the Christian Bible.

However, up to now, the Bible offers absolutely no proof in itself (and we all know how vague the Bible is in exact dates), and, furthermore, it's a book with these characteristics:
- it was man-written, almost every book in it by a different author
- it was pieced together by man (before the year 800 the Bible had no Apocalypse included)
- it was extremely contradictory to its own self (try evilbible.com for a very incomplete, but compellingly long list)
- it has been "updated" so that the contradictions with what we think now (slavery, the condition of women, etc.) will not pop up so easily to an untrained mind
- it is extremely contradictory with science (earth is flat, woman was created out of man's rib, etc.)
- presents all sort of mystical creatures that nobody can see today (read Ezekiel, or Daniel)
- offers absolutely no clue about recent discoveries (fossils, the solar system, other solar systems, artificial life generation, cloning, etc.)
- its moral code is extremely intricate and has no connection with today's morality (just read the Deuteronomy for that and no, Jesus did NOT say that the Old Testament doesn't count anymore)
- history offers enough examples of ill-application of the Biblical code
- apart from referring to a certain God (who is only named in 2-3 books) and with a connection to the Jewish people (I'm NOT Jewish, by the way), there's no connection between the books in the Bible

Therefore, please show me one good reason why we should trust the word of the Bible.

Also please do not give me arguments like:
- most people believe in that, so it must be true (ALL people once believed the world is flat, and they were wrong)
- I have no other explanation for our very existance (neither have you for the existance of your God... if we say that God simply existed, the same thing we can say about matter... it simply existed, and at one time it exploded)
- why don't monkeys evolve towards humans (perhaps they do; are you willing to wait 20000-30000 years to find out?)
- atheists do not have a moral code, and cannot have one (yes, we perfectly can... and sometimes it's far better than yours; my parents are devout atheists, and I have never: beaten someone, stole anything, killed anything, insulted or did harm to anyone/thing "out of pure fun", etc., wich isn't what I can say about many Christians)
- etc.
They are all logical fallacies and if that's the only thing you have to throw against us, then I will give you the phone number of my "Logics and argumentative thinking" professor.

I respect your faith. Though I rant about it, because I perceive it as something very negative, a "plague" if you wish to call it like that, and I ask people to deconvert, I will respect you if you chose not to. I have Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Atheist and Buddhist Friends friends, and none hve complained about me pushing them to drop their faith. It's up to you, and not to me, to deconvert.

If you want to be proven with strait and simple argumentative logic, then first define:
- God
- the Holy Spirit
- omnipotence
- omniscience
- omnipresence
- the Devil (or Satan or how you wish to call it)
- good
- evil
- free will
...and you'll have simple logic applied to your definitions of these terms. I'm skeptical you'll ever find definitions that will not contradict with one another, but I'm really in for a try... Define, and I shall argument my point of view.

Someone once said: "When you understand why you dismiss all other gods but yours, you will understand why I dismiss yours as well."

Hmm, despite the fact that one side's arguing for an invisible man in the sky who craves our sycophantic credalistic adulatory mumblings and sent his son to get the snot kicked out of him so that this self-same invisible dude could get over some of us touching our tallywhackers in the shower?! Despite the fact that us atheists are simply arguing that this invisible sky-dude doesn't exist?!

Someone's a bit naive...

N.B. I had to add that I also went to a Christian private school for three years after being homeschooled by my Christian parents and that I was a DEVOUT Christian from the time I was four until I was about eighteen and a half (give or take) and that I didn't apostatize until I was almost twenty. I've read extensively on the history and doctrines of Christianity in antiquity from a number of authors and I'm an anthropology major. Not to boast but thought I should toss that out there given your statement that you're at a Christian private school and know theology.

OM"G" you're RIGHT, you WIN! I'm an agnostic now who accepts the possibility of a Mega-Pixy who gets angry when I touch my "tallywhacker" in the shower, craves my sycophantic credalistic adulatory mumblings, sent a first-century CE Palestinian Jew to get the snot kicked out of him to satiate his wrath at the aformentioned tallywhacker-touching, and tells us all this through an ancient book of unreliable miracle stories and poetry! While I'm at it I think I'll go buy some pasta to make a shrine to the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Thanks! You too. To disaver is to disavow, so in this case I'm affirming that I believe that no mega-pixies exist.

uhm JS, before you type....
You might want to start your mind before you put your fingers into gear...
99% of what you type is utter crap.
Make a point, and back up your arguments.

Also, this thread was about deconverting Humanzy, not evolution, or wether or not atheism is a religion(lol).

So if you have a point to make or want to discuss something start a topic in the relevant forum.

Thanks.

Jesussaves, when he refers to the 'bullshit' it is in fact a common tactic by the IDers. They take a bunch of 'scientists'. I use scientist loosely. These scientists have absolutely no backround or authority in the subject of biology, history, or evolution for that matter. These 'scientists' go on to tell the general public there's a huge rift in the scientific community over the validity of the Theory of Evolution and that ID is gaining a lot of ground with legit scientists. No such rift exists, it's just a load of bullshit. Anyone even CLOSE to being worthy of the title Scientist realizes that the amount of evidence for Evolution and the amount of facts piled into it make it an almost infallable argument(give or take some very minor mechanics). The general theory of evolution has stood up to the most rigorous scientific scrutiny and come out unscathed for almost 150 years. The religions(NOT just christianity) if held up in the same scientific light, do NOT stand up. There are too many nhistorical fallacies, too much in the way of natural phenoms that have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be natural and not supernatural as the religions would claim, for these myths to stand up in a modern scientific world. And you know what, if you're that into christianity let's take you back to it's hayday in europe. That's right, when we discover time travel, we can take you back to the dark ages to live out your days! The dark ages, where you can do back breaking labor in muddy fields for no reason other than that progress is contrary to God's will. Where you can go to the middle east and destroy a far more advanced and beautiful civilization in the name of God, well, that and the tons of loot the church and kings will recieve from that(but that's not why they did it, oh no, it was for God). Enjoy your stay in the Dark ages, I hear the Beubonic plague is a real kick with the ladies.