John McCain & A Christian Nation

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John McCain & A Christian Nation

I've always kind of liked John McCain for standing up to the Bush administration from time to time, but this makes me lose respect for him entirely:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/01/mccain.christian.nation/index.html

I'm not sure what is more disturbing - the fact that he, as a long-serving senator, thinks the U.S. Constitution establishes a Christian nation, or the fact that 55% of Americans believe the same thing! Though I'm sure he's just playing to the numbers.

I've been hearing this "the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation" statement more and more recently, and it's driving me nuts. Whether or not the nation was founded on "Christian principles", the authors of the Constution made it very clear in the First Amendment that they wanted nothing to do with the endorsement of any religion. If they were really concerned about cementing Christianity's place in history with regard to the founding of this country, I think they would have taken five minutes and written it into the Constitution somewhere.

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The thing that's so sad

The thing that's so sad about this is how empty the argument is. The Treaty of Tripoli, in as many words, proclaims that the United States is Not in any way founded on the Christian religion. The founders did not include any references to Jesus or Yahweh, and the only laws in the U.S. that have anything to do with the ten commandments are stealing, and killing. Unfortunately, every single country in the world has those laws, so it adds nothing to the argument.

The founders that are often cited as Christians were largely deist, not Christian.

While there may be some debate about the historicity of Jesus, or the authenticity of the bible, there is absolutely none about the historicity or authenticity of the documents involved with the founding of America. In most cases, we have the originals today. We have the private journals of those involved. We have corroborating evidence from people outside of the government. In short, it's a locked down conclusion.

And still this myth is propogated. It is a grand testament to the power of the media. In other words, if the media was interested in truth, this myth would die within a year, and never be heard from again.

 

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John McCain has just gained

John McCain has just gained "asshat" status in my book.


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MattShizzle wrote: John

MattShizzle wrote:
John McCain has just gained "asshat" status in my book.

Indeed. I used to have a decent amount of respect for the guy too - he seemed willing to work bipartisanly and stood up to his own party on occasion - but this is beyond the pale, and saddly far too typical.

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Oh come on! He sold out to

Oh come on! He sold out to the religious right long ago!


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BenfromCanada wrote: Oh

BenfromCanada wrote:
Oh come on! He sold out to the religious right long ago!

He probably did before this, but I think he really sold out when he did the Liberty University thing. That turned me off. It proved he'd jump through any goddamn hoop just to get a vote. It proves that he will say one thing only to denounce it later if he doesn't have popular opinion. That's not the McCain I wanted to run for president. I wanted the bi-partisan, partyline-be-damned McCain. Shit, in all likelihood, that McCain could've picked Feingold for vice president. Now it'll probably be McCain and some Gideon he met in a hotel lobby.


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I guess I've always seen

I guess I've always seen John McCain as a complete political opportunist. If it suits his purpose to support Bush, he'd do that, and if it suits his purpose to attack him, he'll do that too.

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rexlunae wrote: I guess

rexlunae wrote:
I guess I've always seen John McCain as a complete political opportunist. If it suits his purpose to support Bush, he'd do that, and if it suits his purpose to attack him, he'll do that too.

You said it! Even in the article McCain goes on to say that he would vote for a Muslim for president if he/she was most qualified.

Next week at a values voters for Jesus rally he would say that a Christian is the best qualified person. Then the week after that, at the all faiths forum, he'd say.... 

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rab wrote: You said it!

rab wrote:

You said it! Even in the article McCain goes on to say that he would vote for a Muslim for president if he/she was most qualified.

Next week at a values voters for Jesus rally he would say that a Christian is the best qualified person. Then the week after that, at the all faiths forum, he'd say....

And if no one but a couple of atheists are watching, hed say he'd vote for an atheist.