You guys will get a kick out of this!
Offline Ok, as many know I go to college right next to Liberty "University", the nation's leading fundie "university". (They claim to have fossils that are 3,000 years old) Here at my college we have a lot of myths about what life is like at Liberty. I went to their website and found their list of rules and regulations. They have a reprimand system. After X amounts of reprimands they kick you out of the college. Oh, they also fine you X amount of money for each reprimand. So here is the list:
----1 reprimand - $0 fine
late for class/ curfew
----4 reprimands - $10 fine
Absence from required meeting
Disturbance during required meeting
Dress/hair code violation
Failure to respond to an offical slip within 48 hours
Horseplay
Improper personal conduct (anything beyond hand holding)
Improper sign out
Music Code violation
Out of residence halls after Curfew
----6 reprimands - $25 fine
Possession/use of Tabacco
Direct disobedience/disrespect
Gambling
Attendance at a Dance
----12 reprimands - $50 fine
Possession/viewing an R rated movie
Deceptioin
Malicious horseplay/behavior
Participation in an unauthorized petition/demostration
Possession of a school key without authorization
Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus location
Entering residence hallway, quad or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or allowing the same
----18 reprimands - $250 fine - 18 hours community service
Association with those who consume alcohol
Commission of a Misdemeanor
Obscene, profane, or abusive language/behavior
Possession/viewing of sexually explicit materials
Entering bedroom of opposite sex ON OR OFF campus or allowing the sme
Failure to identify yourself
Falsification of information on any official documentation
Racial harrassment
Sexual harrassment
Sexual misconduct/any state of undress
Threat to do bodily harm
Two or more people of the opposite sex in a motel room without proper permission
Vandalism
----30 reprimands - $500 fine - 30 hours community service - Possible Administrative withdrawal
Abortion
Assault
Commission of any felony
Possession/use of illegal drugs
Immorality
Involvement with witchcraft, seances or other satanic or demonic activities
Life-threatening language/behavior to others or oneself (immediate removal from campus)
Non-participation/disruption/non-compliance
Possession/consumption of alcoholic beverages
Refusal to submit to drug/alcohol test
Spending the night with a member of the opposite sex
Stealing
Unauthorized possession of weapons
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No fine for not accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior?
Not a lot of liberty at Liberty University, is there?
Wow... those poor students. The worst part is, one of the offenses in the most severe category is "Immorality". Can they get any more vague?
Sounds like all it takes for a student to be liberated from Liberty University is for them to break enough of the rules that limit their liberties.
Stop that... It's silly.
Horseplay
Deception
Immorality
They shure know how to be spesific....
I mean....what constitutes horseplay?
Do they alow horses on campus
"Everyone knows that God drives a Plymouth: "And He drove Adam And Eve from the Garden of Eden in His Fury."
And that Moses liked British cars: "The roar of Moses' Triumph was heard throughout the hills."
On the other hand, Jesus humbly drove a Honda but didn't brag about it, because in his own words: "I did not speak of my own Accord." "
Whew! At least gays are safe there!
The funny thing is that many parents send their children there to "pray the gay away". Yet when the students get there and are allowed almost no contact with the oppposite sex it kinda doesn't work. (Not saying that contact with the other sex would make someone hetero, just thought it was ironic)
I actually almost want to cry for these people. No R-rated movies even? Where the hell does that come from?
"Association with those who consume alcohol"?!?!?!?!?!
What are you supposed to do, ask everyone you meet if they drink?
Lazy is a word we use when someone isn't doing what we want them to do.
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Hair code? So mullets are out!
No Gambling? So Pascal's Wager is out.
No attendance at a dance? I wonder if this includes official dances organised by the univercity
"Participation in an unauthorized petition/demostration" ....... isn't that against your constitution or something?
"any state of undress"
This is one that immediately jumped out to me as being very difficult to follow...
So they have to wear the same clothes for the whole year or just per semester? What if they shower too soon before going to a class, and don't have time to dry out? Some moron sitting there in soaking-wet-yet-rock-solid-filthy clothes stinking up the lecture halls? Awesome, really awesome.
Is there an exception if some of your clothes are on fire?
"Two or more people of the opposite sex in a motel room without proper permission" Well how can you have 3 people all of the opposite sex? Regardless, I guess they just stick to Hotels rather than Motels.
Perhaps I should apply. Presuming they give me a scholarship (because I wouldn't give them a cent) I'll show up on the first day with microwave popcorn and a copy of "The Passion of the Christ."
Wow, that is an expensive school. I tried to do a rough estimate and I think I would be at well over $1500 a day in fines without really trying. Hard to judge though every day is different. Do they fine you per occurence or just once for the day? Like for the movies, is it $50 for each movie?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Sorry I don't understand why they even have rules at Liberty University? Aren't they meant to be good, law and morally abiding folk attending it?
: Freedom - The opportunity to have responsibility.
: Liberty is about protecting the right of others to disagree with you.
It's so that they can kick out anyone that they don't want there. You realize mid-way though Creation Science 101 that all this shit is crap? They kick you out for smoking a cigarette, etc...
Not when MedievalGuy and his ilk are over there attempting to corrupt some college co-eds. I'm sure that they are directly responsible for the rule against associating with people who consume alcohol. Repressed Christian Girls Gone Wild, heck what warm blooded unattached guy wouldn't be over there?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
My apologies, I should have been a bit clearer on what I meant.
To me only good, law and morally abiding Christian folk should be attending the University in the first place. Thus those rules should not exist as they wouldn't even be applicable.
However because those rules do exist, it suggests to me that the people who do attend aren't actually Christians, they just say they are.
And if they kick out people they don't want there, isn't that immoral as everybody has a right to seek Christ and the salvation of God?
I've always wanted to visit America, but I've changed my mind, you seem to have too many crazy people running around the place.
: Freedom - The opportunity to have responsibility.
: Liberty is about protecting the right of others to disagree with you.
Yes, the are hypocrites. No surprise there... but even in an environment as sheltered as Liberty, college is a time when people meet different people and explore different ideas. I have heard of people that see the light (pun intended) and are subsequently kicked out for stupid shit.
Another answer exists though - the Administration could be fully aware that the Bible is fiction and therefore decided to enact punishment in this life since there will be no next life. That or they just want to make more money than Big Tobacco on the nicotene habit.
Yeah dude. That kind of thing is always hot. If I was a single guy I would be asking medievelguy if I could come crash on his couch while I try to get me some action.
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Hey, they missed a rule!
Don't they have to hang out at Walmart to spread the good Word?
: Freedom - The opportunity to have responsibility.
: Liberty is about protecting the right of others to disagree with you.
It seems to me that many of those rules would create an atmosphere of spying on one another specifically the ones that involve "OFF CAMPUS" behaviour. I mean really, do they have student spys or do the faculty take time to follow and watch...how does one find out about little Janet Smith going to the theater a town over to watch an "R" rated movie....? Does god tell on them?
"Viewing an R rated movie"
"Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus location"
"Entering bedroom of opposite sex ON OR OFF campus or allowing the sme"
"Two or more people of the opposite sex in a motel room without proper permission"
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The funny thing is, I don't even drink or smoke, and I'm probably a whole lot more moral than some of the people there. But that does give me ideas. I could get my camera and call it something like "Fallen angles" 
(kidding of course, someone as moral as me would never think of such things. 
)
Jerry actually used his clout to get a movie theater moved right next to Liberty so the students could go see a movie and be back in time for curfew. The theater also doesn't play any R rated movies despite being open to the general public.
Want me to do it? Ill do it. Man we would make tons of money off that website!
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I'll help, I'm not going to let a little thing like morals get in the way. BTW Medieval you don't have to drink, it is actually better if you don't, just get them to drink. All I need to do is find a legitimate excuse to explain to my wife why I will be gone for a few weeks...
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Liberty is bad, but it's a hedonistic pleasure cruise compared to Bob Jones University.
"General Expectations":
http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/general.html
"Dress Codes":
http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.html
"Residence Hall Life":
http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html
My favorite part:
-Posters of movie and music stars and fashion models are not permitted. The subjects of personal photos should not exhibit immodesty or inappropriate physical contact.
-Music must be compatible with the University’s music standards:
New Age, jazz, rock, and country music is not permitted.
-Contemporary Christian music is not permitted (e.g., Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman, WOW Worship, and so forth).
-Televisions, DVD/videotape players and headphones are not permitted in the residence halls; computer DVD players may not be used to view movies.
-You may not possess or play computer and video games rated T, M, A, or E10, or having elements of blood and gore, sensual or demonic themes, or featuring suggestive dress, bad language, or rock music.
-Due to space considerations, appliances such as mini-refrigerators and microwaves are not permitted in residence hall rooms. A refrigerator and microwaves are provided in each residence hall.
-Residence hall students may not watch videos above a G rating when visiting homes in town and may not attend movie theaters.
-All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.
The system at Liberty creates some interesting moral arithmetic.
Being late to class 30 times is the moral equivalent of an abortion.
Stalking your girlfriend or threatening to kill her is not as bad as owning a Tarot deck.
"After Jesus was born, the Old Testament basically became a way for Bible publishers to keep their word count up." -Stephen Colbert
The National Rifle Association must be a big donor to the university. According to this rule, you can actually bring a gun onto campus, as long as you turn it in for "storage". Which also means that there's a de facto weapons cache on campus at any given time.
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
Why Believe?
NO SEX? Jesus, how do these people live?
I have a feeling this is why so many fundies are so uptight, some of them just need to get laid now and then. *sigh*
Dammit!
You beat me to it. I was going to suggest to MedievalGuy that he put quotes around "Liberty" and "University." 
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I didn't see an R-rated movie until I was well over 21. I was such a bore.
I didn't see a PG-rated movie until Star Wars came out. I was eleven. I remember vividly my mother covering my eyes when Luke came upon the smoldering bodies of his aunt and uncle.
Should I have warned about a spoiler?
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Before I attended a Christian college I had to sign a profession of faith.
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RRS has already been there and done that.
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/the_rational_response_squad_radio_show/the_rational_response_squad/5203
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Actually, if you read the thread I posted, you'll see that even the theists / Christians weren't terribly impressed with Mr. Caner's answers. I wasn't either. However, he was a lot nicer than I thought he would be. Everyone stayed level-headed. It gave me a little hope.
Speaking only for myself, I am not terribly interested in a "dialogue" with fundamentalists at this time. Catch me at a time when religion isn't tearing my life apart and I might try again. Right now I feel like most of you don't care about the truth or who you hurt by clinging to rigid, disproven belief systems. I'd like to be proven wrong. It would make me feel maybe a teensy bit better about losing my family to the beast of religion.
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Wow, he was out of dress code? How scandalous. And married people kissing in public! Kids these days, what is the country coming to?
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
I'm wondering what a theist is doing in here, but while he's asking questions I'll give a couple of quick answers
3) What do you mean by let go and stop trying? 4) It makes me happy (can't speak for everyone) to know how the world works, so if there were a god that would be something I would be very interested in. And if that said god loved me then I would probably be even happier.
Of course it goes without saying that 1) After many years of searching I've yet to find any evidence of any god and 2) It's pretty obvious that the yahweh doesn't love anyone.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
If you notice, every time I talk about Liberty "University" I always put the quotation marks around university. I guess I should do the same for "Liberty"
I didn't say life was tearing me apart. I said religion was tearing my life apart. Don't put words in my mouth, please.
Religion is the gift that keeps on giving. Once you've managed to extract yourself from its clutches and ban fear of hell, you have to deal with maniacal family members who see you as a threat to their beliefs for simply existing. I have not actively tried to deconvert family members. I was trying to leave them out of it by working here in the public spectrum (Hi, Mom).
I think Jerry Falwell was instrumental in turning members of my family into mouth-breathing right-wingers who let Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh and Faux News do their thinking for them (Hi, Mom). Before Reagan became president, my family actually did some thinking for themselves. I think. They actually still thought of Carter as a "decent man" and were suspicious of George H. W. Bush, as well they should have been. Of course, they didn't like him because he was a member of the Trilateral Commission , but the point is they didn't paint all Republicans as saints until they were told to by religious leaders.
If Christianity isn't a religion, what is it? What is "true" Christianity?
What?! Hehehe.
No. Since I'm on my own, it's my responsibility to take control of my own life and make it work. Christianity is about giving up responsibility and leaving everything up to an imaginary sky daddy. Of course, no one showed or taught me how to take responsibility for my own life, so I still have a lot to learn.
It would make me every bit as happy as learning that the invisible microscopic orangutans living in my armpits love me.
(On edit: I've noticed that my paragraph breaks aren't being saved lately. Yes, I'm using Firefox. Someone call Giz
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Yup, that was the idea.
BTW, love your sig.
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BTW...since I'm commenting on sigs, I've been meaning to tell you that your avatar reminds me of an evil Brian from Family Guy. I swear...all you need to do is Photoshop that face onto Brian's body.
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It wouldn't make me happy either. If God maybe came down from the heavens and told me himself, I'm not sure that it would make me happy so much as it would make me ponder my atheism a bit.
I'll tell you what would make me happy. I live my life under the opposite of the assertion of Pascal's Wager. I don't know if it has a name, but I'll call it the Orangutan's Wager, in a nod to evolution and Iruka's armpits.
The Orangutan's Wager is this: What if there is no God, and therefore all the prayers being sent by us to him are going unanswered? A lot of people are asking a lot of things of God. Doesn't it make more sense to live our lives assuming God doesn't exist, and take care of the things ourselves that we're asking of God? To do good and compassionate works for the betterment of society and, more importantly, the planet? (Don't get me started on Christianity's lack of interest in preserving the environment.)
If we live this way, and there actually is a God, I would hope - based on everything I've read and heard about him - that he'd be smart enough to let us in the pearly gates. I mean, if I got to heaven and God said "You know, you led a good life, did lots of good things, didn't kill anyone or steal...but you didn't believe in me - so off to hell with you!" - I'd be not only pissed, but I'd also be glad I was an atheist anyway because that's not the kind of god I have any interest in worshipping.
I'd be much happier if I got to heaven and God said "I know, things are really screwy down there on earth, but there's a nice buffet lunch set up over here in the St. Peter Room, and at 1 o'clock there's a briefing for new arrivals that will hopefully help explain things a bit."
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
Why Believe?
Lol, it actually is my old dog and he used to act like an evil Brian too. He's saving a good spot for me in hell now.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
I wonder if they make an exception for "The Passion of the Christ"...
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Is it a low crime rate or a low reported crime rate? Huge difference.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I think I broke most of those rules within the first week of being at university. If heaven is full of these people I sure as hell don't want to spend eternity there.
You make a good point. If heaven is just full of fundies, it would be like hell to most of us here anyway. Besides, you know all the best parties aint in heaven!
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
Love.
Love will tear us apart.
Again.
Hee! You said "true Christianity".
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