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I am not really sure, but I don't remember seeing an implication that logic was useful for everything--but I may have missed a few things. Mr. Spock (of star trek fame) was certainly useful for exploring space, but I am guessing he would be a real drag at a party!
In intellectual matters you can think things out, but in spiritual matters you will only think yourself into further wandering thoughts and more confusion. --Oswald Chambers
I have debris rattling around in my head. I want to sort it out. I sense that logic can be very beneficial in many ways. Because I think I see in others who are logical something that verify it.
When I am not 100% sure I use words like "perceive" or "sense". I can change my mind or be open minded even if I was confident. I try to anyways. I value those.
How do we know that logic and a basic understanding of the scientific method, which most have forgotten from school, will not amplify enjoyment and progress for the individual in many different ways? I am simply curious what all can be done with a basic understanding of logic and the scientific method in daily living. Can they amplify us in some way? Give us better thinking habits? Amplify our experiences in some way? I do not know 100% really. I just threw it out there. I am trying to fill a void.
I think todangst is like a Mr Spock, but unlike a vulcan is very down to earth and human. It must be possible to be both human and logical to the best of our abilities.
Perhaps we can use logic for cleaning house as far as rational beliefs, discover better ways of doing things and still be fun at parties when we are at parties. Being adaptable is a good thing.
In a given moment at the party logic might come in handy for a moment. Never know.
Thank you for responding elnathan
Ad Hom is a truth about a person or persons actions that is irrelevant to the persons arguments? A double ad hominem.. hehe.
A does not necessarily cause B in all cases. Blanket statement of human reactions?
Hasty Generalization?
"the louder the attack, the louder the response."
I said it to someone who was just flat out crazy and then they broke all logical on me. lol.
They said it was a 'non causa' and used that post as evidence. lol.
I did find this resource.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html
I'm not quite 'in tune' with the paragraph concerning 'logically impossible' not meaning impossible. I suppose that may be semantics upon my part. lol.
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Thank you kindly DarthJosh! I book mark that link.
From your link:
"Non causa pro causa
The fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when something is identified as the cause of an event, but it has not actually been shown to be the cause."
Yes. That fits much better.
I can not find a Christian to debate, so I am browsing Carm.org for apologetics to find logical fallacies. For practice. I will use thefallacy lists. Thank you.
"I said it to someone who was just flat out crazy and then they broke all logical on me. lol."
Who was that? In this thread? I sometimes have problems reading people right.
No, not here.
On netrelate/secularity. There are more crazy people there, of all labels, than I can handle. lol.
Typically, if I post something remotely intelligent then three people read it, two people laugh at it, and three get pissed off. Very rarely does anyone discuss things anymore in a 'rational' manner.
Lately, when I've tried to engage people in a discussion their walls go up faster than a rocket.
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That site has definitely gone way downhill since the beginning of the year. I got banned from there in May.
Matt Shizzle has been banned from the Rational Response Squad website. This event shall provide an atmosphere more conducive to social growth. - Majority of the mod team
Matt's post would be an example of a non sequitur because how could his being banned have anything to do with the site sucking since the first of the year.
How could it be re-written to form a logical argument?
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i love the fact that rational soldiers-in-training are using christian forums as target practice. }
Fear is the mindkiller.
Hehe. I am there right now. I am SmartyPants over there.
I am looking for something that I know about that I can post here. I know the bible, but not science yet.
like mister josh said, it's way more about reading and learning than just about posting. oh, i spend so much time reading....and i hate reading...
Fear is the mindkiller.
the apologetics forum can be fun, yet theres a dick there named vapor that is a real terrible example of christianity... i had like, 70 posts he made against me and visa versa deleted cuz he was really getting into name calling...
"i am sorry to have implied that you called logic complete. rather, what i was intending to say was that logic is not enough. basically: there is more to understanding daily experience than logical analysis"
do you have examples handy? cuz how can something be calculated in the brain without some sort of rational thought..
"but to look purely to logic to understand this bizarre aspect of reality is to, in my opinion, ignore the most interesting parts."
i dont think you truly comprehend the scope of logic then if you dont find it the most interesting method of understanding...
"furthermore, using rigid logic to communicate with every individual in every instance is not particularly appealing to me, schizophrenic or otherwise."
so you're just saying it's not your personal preference and i dont see any reason why i should consider this as an absolute reason against logic as the best tool...
"i am not assuming anything. i know from experience. i have faith. call it whatever you like, but im not arguing, im saying."
oh. faith. uhm. k. how is faith a valid form of calculating information.
"i do not have to use logic. i am free to think and express myself and do as i choose."
k. so do you care about how accurate your reasoning is to the reality around you?
"i do think that logic is a good tool, and should be used where it is applicable. a hammer is a good tool, but i dont work on my computer with a hammer."
i dont see how that relates to logic. the hammer thing. what are some examples where rational thought and logic are nto applicable?
"therefore, i view unreasoned thought as a valuable tool in understanding the subjective experiences of others as well as my own."
but arent you rationally concluding their thoughts to be irrational? this seems so circular.. but i'm curious where you're going with this so i hope you have more..
"subjective truth can justify any 'fact'."
that's an interesting statement, but i dont see how that's true or possible
"let it help you in every wonderful way that it surely can...i just dont think its reasonable to expect it to look into the center of experience and tell you whats going on."
i would see no reason to look elsewhere for a tool when in all probability, rational thinking and logic can achieve whatever is possible to comprehend.
Thank you for the warning fattychunks. I will avoid him. And if he chases me around being mean, I will use scripture to chastize him with. I will not post that much there anyways. I made one post in the atheism forum. No replies yet. Thank you, I will go to the apologetics forum and get stuff from there.
I will not give them any reasonable reasons for banning me. It will be very interesting watching Christians debate eachother about theology and God I think.
For the heck of it I will post this from thier atheist forum. No response yet.. I been there for a while now. It is hard to follow a discussion with everybody the way thier set up is.
I posted:
Not all Christians are on the same page, so that might be why some non-Christians or ex-Christians misunderstand. I am a pacifist and so are my family. They are Evangelical Friends. But other Christians thinks war is ok for Christians...
1) Maybe some were and some were not. I felt like a Christian when I was one. What does scripture say a real Christian is?
2) Maybe some do and some do not. Maybe some harbor grudges against what other Christians did, maybe some became atheist through philosophy. People are different do you not agree Theist?
What all does scripture say about people who do not believe in God? How much scripture addresses your questions?
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that would actually make for a great new topic... i'll quote you and start it as a new topic
OOps never mind.
Thanks fattychunks. That will be a good thread.
This is from their apologetics forum.
1 Red herring. The question was: is Gods punnishments barbaric and brutal? 2) Tu quoque. If we are brutal then it is ok for God to be brutal. A being who can solve our problems without being limited to acts of barbarity or force 3) Suppressed Evidence Fallacy. This theist ignores the fact that we can not add to or diminish from Gods perfect word. Scripture all ready tells how to administer Gods law. 4) Naked assertion? The theist just asserts that the OT laws will result in a very peaceful world but does not look to see if capitol punnishment is really a deterant for violent crimes.
If I made some mistakes in my critique of this theists posts I welcome any imput in regards logical fallacies.
More are on thier way...
There might be too many pre-suppositions in the initial argument.
The answer is a 'dodge' so I think Red Herring would be right. The rest could be plead away as leading the question.
Of course, it's easy to be an armchair quarterback for me. I'm still learning too.
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Thank you kindly DarthJosh.
So the Skeptic should have just simply asked "Is Gods laws from the O.T. in regards adultry unequal in that the punnishment is not equal to the crime being that adultry is not lethal? Like that?
In my opinion, that's pretty good. It kind of eliminates gray areas by focusing on one issue with regard to punishment versus sin. And leaves the argument open for the supporting evidence.
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