Samuel Hunt: Claims he can prove God created the world!!!
Offline I recently discovered a Christian oriented website made for bringing Christians together for fellowship and religious discussions. I've been talking with a few of the members recently on some topics regarding their beliefs in God and I ended up getting into a phone conversation with the leader of the entire site. It was an interesting conversation however I think he discouraged when he realized I wasn’t going to convert. I decided to subscribe to their newsletter just to see what these people were getting their opinions from. They sent me a newsletter today about a guy who claims he can “Prove Creation”. They sent this message to everyone who subscribed to the newsletter. He is going to be interviewed online on 3/28/07. You can find the radio network here…http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=2301I’m going to record and upload the interview on Wednesday, so it anyone wants to hear it I can send them a link to the upload location for downloading.
Anyhow, here is the messege they sent me....
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Who is Samuel Hunt?? Well I will tell you, he is going to be bigger than Charles Darwin ever was. Why bigger than Darwin? Because he has PROVEN CREATION!!!!!!! This Guy is amazing, and I am going to be interviewing him on Wed. at 5 PM (CST). Read about him below:"College Kid Proves Creation, Writes Book About It.'"
Bowling Green, KY, March 23, 2007 - In what has turned out to be the most controversial document since Charles Darwin penned the "Origin of the Species", "Episteme Scientia-The Law of All that Is," suggests science has been proving God's existence, all along. The abstract states, "An examination of the sequential mathematical and experimental dual proof of the Genesis record of origins underlying the institution of all that is in the universe-from waves to matter to the mind." According to the author, the Scientific Method has been subtly proving the Genesis cosmology in every classroom around the world for more than 450 years-in spite of the fervency to promote evolution and big bang theories.
Known online as "the kid," the author, Samuel J. Hunt, a student at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Kentucky, boasts of being able to prove all matter was spoken into existence just as Genesis records. The kid says it's as easy as 1, 2, 3. First Order Logic states: if A=B, and B=C, then A=C. This means that if the premises are true and equal, then the conclusion must be true.
1) There is a mathematical and physical relationship between all (a) matter and (b) frequency,
2) There is a mathematical and physical relationship between all (b) frequency and (c) sound.
3) Therefore, there is a mathematical and physical relationship between all (a) matter and (c) sound.
By first order logic (the premises 1 and 2 are confirmed by all physics and chemistry to be true and equal) it can be shown that
matter not only has a mathematical relationship to sound but a physical one as well. This proves that God did speak all things
into existence; and the body of every living creature from bacteria to human, as all perform this process millions of times per
day through their senses, is living proof.
Samuel says that his document is the mathematical and empirical proof that the bible can and is compatible to and verifiable by science on levels that are only just now beginning to be recognized. The proof also answers dozens of other scientific, theological, and philosophical questions. Hunt says, "I'm not here to argue for evidence of this or that. It's important, but that's like putting God on trial and allowing people to believe whatever they want. My document proves the Genesis record as the only infallible scientific explanation for our origins." According to Hunt, his 84-page document holds the missing factor in the quest to find the Grand Unified Theory of Science.
Even now, the Darwinists are taking up arms. After reading only a short quip of Hunt's wisdom they're talking about "a good book-burning," "paradigm shifts," "eating crow" and the threat of losing more scientists "to the other side." The paper's genius lies in its simple, yet profound integration of several mathematical systems, scientific experiments, and observable phenomenon that happen all around us every day. Hunt's book is available for purchase on-line at www.scienceprovescreation.com.
About Samuel J. Hunt: A Third year student at Western Kentucky University majoring in Pre-Physical Therapy and Nutrition/ Dietetics. Funds created from the sale of the book will support further research and experimentation and the dream of opening a rehabilitation clinic after finishing his education.
Wednesday 3-28-2007 5 P.M. (CST)
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What a crock of shit.
If that's all there is to his proof, it's pretty easy to discount.
Proving that there is a relationship between sound and matter isn't even as difficult as he makes it. Sound, by definition, involves matter. So what? If the next step is, "Therefore, god spoke matter and energy into existence," it might as well be "The giant Fruit Fly spoke matter and energy into existence."
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Hahaha, such nonsense. As could be expected. I do think this kid is probably smart. His level of physical understanding leaves a lot to be desired ofc, but he seems smart enough to write a book that squeezes money out of christian idiots
"By first order logic (the premises 1 and 2 are confirmed by all physics and chemistry to be true and equal) it can be shown that
matter not only has a mathematical relationship to sound but a physical one as well. This proves that God did speak all things
into existence; and the body of every living creature from bacteria to human, as all perform this process millions of times per
day through their senses, is living proof."
This is a non-sequitur. Assuming there is a God, how could it spaek if there is no air in his lungs as air had not been created before it spoke? Who would it speak to before any other being existed? Even is both of the above premisis were true, the conclusion that there had to be a god to speak things into existance is not logical. This is really just a rehashing of the argument that X exists, it had to be created, therefore godditit.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca
This kid is probably highly intelligent but I suspect that he is either a con-artist or he is just being ridiculous.
I wonder what his professers will say?
I ran a search for Samuel Hunt online. I came up with an English cricket player.
Where Aslan, Aquinus, Hegel, Plantinga and Paley fail, this kid thinks he can do it?
I do not see how you can prove nonense like Genesis using X=Y or X=Z ontologies.
Darwinists worried about losing scientists to the other side. This article is clearly extremely slanted, because I doubt that very strongly. It used to be the clergy the most learned men in the world. No more. Now it is the men of science.
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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Samuel Hunt has proved creationism?! That's great. I really want to read this. Which peer reviewed journal can I find this in?
MrRage,
Don't you know that Jesus and God are not interested in peer review journals? They only want you to accecpt it on faith. -lol
All you have to do is buy Samuel Hunt's book and you to can experience the miracle of God.
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I came across this piece by Hunt, it's loaded with logical fallacies.
Hopefully his argument will be better than "the atheist's nightmare" banana argument.
Who would have guessed that a dietitian would one day prove god?
"Eat 2 eggs for breakfast and a slice of toast and btw, I have proved god!"
I guess we're fucked now.
OH, YOUR GOD! (Hunt's God of course.)
I'm going to be recording the interview so if anyone wants to hear this guy just let me know.
I wouldn't mind hearing that. LOL
Well, the interview has been moved to tomorrow at 8 pm. It turns out that their going to be taking calls. I'd love to hear some of you guys debate him, just to see what kind of stuff he'll say.
The name Samuel Hunt strikes me as very familiar for some reason. Can't place it. Grr.
Anyway, sometimes I just don't get people like this. How can they formulate something like this without seeing the cornerstone is missing?
Absolutely nothing wrong yet.
*Head spins*
No kid, I'm afraid you just proved the opposite. Without matter, sound can not exist, by your own logical presentation(which was correct right up until the massive leap to a god). Therefore speaking matter into existance isn't possible without matter already existing.
Some people....
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I literally spit my coffee out all over my keyboard when I read this ...
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I believe this was disproved. Not only that, but before he started promoting it. Not only that, but on The Simpsons.
Lisa: Dad, there were no bears before your anti-bear squad. Just because the squad exists now and there's no bears proves nothing.
Homer: What do you mean?
Lisa: Well, take this rock. Do you see any lions around? That doesn't mean that this rock scared them all off.
Homer: How much for your rock?
... sounds like exactly the same type of argument to me.
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Well, the interview is starting in 20 min. Is anyone going to try and call in?
Here's the link again...
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=2301Well, the first order of demonstration and there's already a problem. If both premises are true and equal, that doesn't mean the conclusion must be true. The whole part quoted above is PRECISELY the counter-example: a non-sequitur.
Logical sentences:
1. true; matter as we know it cannot be independent of the concept of frequency
2. true; sound means vibratile physical displacement of matter, which relies on the concept of frequency
3. true; sound cannot exist independent of a carying environment of matter
Logical implications:
1. matter = frequency - false; frequency can exist as a concept independent of matter; interference of electromagnetic waves is probably the best example
2. frequency = sound - false; counter-example: alternative electric current (your computer is powered by it, dammit!)
3. matter = sound - false; demonstrated by the existence and effectiveness of soundproofing materials
Problem:
A=B, B=C therefore A=C is not applicable, since relationship does not mean equality.
True. Nobody denies that.
I'm only curious through which environment did the sound coming from God propagate to the spot where the first glimpse of matter was supposed to be created.
If I create new matter through speaking, than I'm seriously unaware of it (not joking). It would explain why everybody that I shout at is crushed by a big rock, though (joking).
Funny. Almost everyone else (theists included) seems to think the opposite.
As Goya once put it: "...for a sleeping mind creates monsters"
I never claimed to be a very well-informed man, but I don't think I ever heard of this one...
Let me rewrite: The paper's genius lies in its mind-numbing, yet sincere ignorance of mathematical systems, scientific experiments, and observable phenomenon that happen around us every day.
...and I thought I'd seen it all: doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, electricians, gravediggers, boy scout leaders, rangers, soldiers and officers, policemen and firemen, clerks, librarians, gym instructors and oil platform workers, all trying to prove God. But a nutritionist... that's something new! Surely he's more qualified.
Well, until now I did have the sneaky impression that one can fool an average American with almost anything (science, history, geography, philosophy, etc.), but not when it comes to money. That sensation instantly drifted away.
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This site just keep's changing the schedule for some reason. The interview has been moved to 9 PM. Some of you guys should really call into the show. I'd really like to hear how he's going to try and defend himself. Anyhow, here's the direct link (different from previous)...http://www.blogtalkradio.com/broderickside
LOL. He's indirectly invoking Pythagoras! A theory refuted 2500 years before he was born....
Actually, common sense already tells us that matter has a physical relationship to sound, seeking as everything that exists is matter or motion (energy). Sound is vibrations across a medium, all aspects are physical.
But this doesn't prove that a sound, a spoken word, created the universe! That's an obtuse conclusion!
No, it does not. All it proves is that sound is material.
It takes a schizophrenic non sequitur to move form 'sound is physical, and there is a mathematical relationship to different harmonies (Pythagoras' point) to "a sound created the univerrse'
Seriously, this sounds like one of my schizophrenic patients talking.
Oh please. The fact that there is a mathematical relationship to harmonies was known 2500 years ago... its basic philosophical knowledge. But this relationship doesn't prove that a 'word created the universe', all it demonstrates is that harmonies occur in intervals.
This guy is simply a loon.
Oh please. The sole response from a Darwinist ought to be to prescribe this fellow some risperdal.
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
It would be awesome to hear todangst take these guys on. Seriously, I'd love to get that on recording.
BTW: I'm all set to record this interview, so anything that he says will be captured and uploaded online.
I want to hear Todangst take these guys out, too! Call in, please.
LOL! I was laughing too.
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I always take the low road whenever possible.
I'm listening now. I'd call in, but I'm not knowledgeable enough.
Alright it's on...
The interview just started.
He started off talking about Sonoluminescence. I poped up YIM and asked the host why god did things in this round about way. Why didn't god just create the sun first? That makes more sense to me.
He said "IDK. I'm not sure this is correct. I'm just hearing the gentleman's theory"
lol
Well, the interview just ended. It pretty much went exactly how I thought it would. Almost all the questions were from Christians, and he didn't really present any kind of scientific evidence to back up his claims.
However there was one thing that definitely made it worth listening to. Someone asked him a question about wave properties and Samuel Hunt could not even begin to answer the question. He goes on for like 5 minutes trying to figure out what to say and can't come up with an answer. If he can't answer a question which his entire "theory" is based on, I can't imagine him converting many people over to his side.
Anyhow I did record it and I'll be uploading it hopefully tomorrow if that's possible. I'll post the link here when it's uploaded.
Yeah, he would just say "I talk about that stuff in my blog" instead of trying to answer the question.
The interview sucked, I was hoping someone from the forum would call in.
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Rofl. No, but it's entirely possible that I'm recalling a fictional character from a book.
I shouldn't have skimmed the first 2/3rds of the presentation. *sigh*
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