Theists Debate Instructions
Offline Ok, I posted this link in Hamby's thread but it made me laugh so hard I thought it deserved a special place. Who needs logic when you have this? If any of you have found other "instructions" please add them.
Here an outline of the debate example:
Christian: Genesis 1:29 reads…”I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food…"
Skeptic: That's absurd. If you ate all of the vegetables and fruits in the whole world all at once your stomach would explode...
Christian: You're not supposed to eat them all at once...
Skeptic: Let me give you an analogy. If one country is more advanced than another, does it have the right to force the less advanced country to can and package its fruits and vegetables?
Christian: That's not the same thing.
Skeptic: Aha! So now you agree with me that slavery is wrong!
Christian: No I didn’t!
Skeptic: Oh you didn’t? So you admit then that the Bible promotes slavery?
Christian: It does not!
Skeptic: It says right here in Leviticus 25:47, “You may buy male and female slaves from the nations around you.” If you go against what the Bible says, you’re a hypocrite.
Christian: But that isn’t what it means!
Skeptic: Are you saying that the Bible doesn't mean what it says? You Christian slave mongers have a lot of nerve coming in here trying to save my soul.
Christian: I wasn’t trying to save your soul!
Skeptic: Oh you weren’t? You mean you don’t even care if I go to Hell??!! What kind of a Christian are you, anyway?
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I think they are projecting, usually that is how their argumentation goes.
Don't get me wrong it is very funny. It just occured to me the whole thing may be a bit of projection. It doesn't take away from the humor though.
Alert! Alert! Crazy argument coming in at 4:00!
I agree, but we atheists tend to do the opposite, and idealize atheism.... I bet there are more than a few over-eager atheists who argue just like that...
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
Wow, apparently this guy was previously an atheist.
I hate people who use THIS argument.
"I was an outspoken atheist and I LIED to try and convince theists online, therefore atheists are lying liars."
I've been seeing it a lot lately.
Some exerpts.
"I remember one 16 year old kid who was typical in that he struck up a dialogue with me in an effort to bring me to Christ. He told me the usual personal witness, about how Christ had changed him. I recall receiving a lengthy e-mail from him, describing in loving detail how Jesus had died and suffered on the cross.
[...] I wrote him back a reply: " You obviously have never read the recent Oxford study concerning 'Cruci-fiction'. This study, conducted in the archaeological digs of Rome in 1989, conclusively proved that Roman crucifixions did not take place prior to 350AD. It would have been impossible for Christ, in 33AD to have been executed in such a manner. You have bought into a lie. Christ did not die on a cross. He didn't die at all because he never lived. You need to grow up, accept the facts, and move on." Of course, this was an outright lie that I had manufactured on the spur of the moment. I didn't even think that this kid would buy it, because it contained an obvious fallacy."
Y'know, lying sucks. What a dickhead. And we don't NEED lies to prove theism is ridiculous. Why did this guy lie? Oh yeah, he's telling us these to prove that atheists are liars. Gah.
I label this claim a common christian myth (tm). I might call it the C.S. Lewis claim. So many theists claim to have been atheists, when in fact, they were likely never really well informed atheists - more like angry teens.
I think one thing theists are not aware of is that is it is a normal pattern in theism for theists to question their beliefs in the teens, early 20s, and return to theism when they form families. Some theists may refer to this normal pattern in theism as 'atheism'
Well, if he admits to a desire to lie in debate, rather than research facts, and then later tells us that he's a theist, should we be surprised?!
I doubt he sees how self refuting his story is....
PS Any theist could refute christ claims merely by pointing to a lack of historical corroboration....
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'