Chaplains for a publically funded university athletic program?

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Chaplains for a publically funded university athletic program?

My university,Iowa State University, wants to implement chaplins for the athletic program. sorry this will be a long post because there was two stories in the college's student run newspaper. Here is the first story.

iowastatedaily.com wrote:

PETITION
SUBMITTED BY FACULTY OF
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY
CONCERNING CHAPLAINS IN ITS
ATHLETIC PROGRAMS

JUNE 1, 2007

We, the undersigned faculty members at Iowa State University, strongly oppose any effort to introduce chaplains or any other form of religious counseling, whether publicly or privately funded, into any part of our athletic programs. Such an effort by our football coach Gene Chizik has been reported in the local press.

We believe that such religious positions violate the establishment clause of the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution, as Iowa State is a publicly funded land grant institution. Such religious positions also have many other negative consequences for non-Christian students, and even for Christian students who may not believe in the particular religious form of Christianity that such a chaplain might endorse.

In the widely used "Lemon" test (Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971), which is used by our own legal counsel at Iowa State, there are three indicators of whether a governmental policy conforms to the establishment clause. The first is that any government policy "must have a legitimate secular purpose."

Chaplains, by definition, serve a religious purpose, and so pose a potential violation. Given public statements that the proposed chaplaincy is there to encourage a Christian viewpoint, we feel that it also violates the idea that government cannot prefer one religion over another.

We should also alert you to the complaints of significant abuses that such chaplains have generated in other institutions, including the Air Force Academy and the University of Iowa hospitals (see documentation below).

Thus, we urge you to provide a clear statement that Iowa State University cannot provide chaplains or any other form of religious counseling, whether publicly funded or privately funded, in our athletic programs. Students are best served by their own clergy, and students should be free not to espouse any religious practice or belief to participate in athletics at Iowa State University.

Second story:

iowastatedaily.com wrote:

 

A petition has been started by four Iowa State professors opposing the introduction of chaplains to athletic programs by Gene Chizik, head football coach.

The petition was started by Hector Avalos, associate professor religious studies; Warren Blumenfeld, assistant professor in curriculum and instruction; William David, university professor in music; and Ellen Fairchild, lecturer in curriculum and instruction.

The petition states "We, the undersigned faculty members at Iowa State University, strongly oppose any effort to introduce chaplains or any other form of religious counseling, whether publicly or privately funded, into any part of our athletic programs. Such an effort by our football coach Gene Chizik has been reported in the local press."

The petition goes on to say that such a position would violate the establishment clause in the First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution.

In an e-mail response to the four professors, Jamie Pollard, Iowa State athletic director, wrote that "no one, including Coach Gene Chizik, intends, has or will force any student-athlete to take part in any spiritual activity." In the e-mail, Pollard likens the chaplain position to other services provided to student-athletes.

"Much like we have offered our student-athletes access to drug and alcohol counselors, sports psychologists, nutritionists, hypnotists, physical therapists, learning specialists, chiropractors, physicians, etc., we are now going to also provide access to a spiritual advisor," he wrote.

Pollard wrote in the e-mail that the chaplain will be funded by private, not public money.

"We recognize that not everyone will support, nor fully understand or appreciate, this decision, since it is a topic that often is viewed as politically incorrect," he wrote.

David, in an e-mail response to Pollard's e-mail, wrote, "I find myself more concerned abut this matter than before I recieved it, primarily because of his view that this is only an issue of political corrrectness, as opposed ot an issue of law."

Check for more updates at www.iowastatedaily.com as this story develops.

 

link to the first story : http://tinyurl.com/347o2k

link to second story:http://tinyurl.com/353tvl

 

 

I see this as unneeded at best and illegal at worst. They say it will be "privately funded" but it still seems that it could end up in them being pressured in to belief. I really don't understand why they think this is need. I wanted to know everyones feelings on this.

Update: There is a petition now going around for people to sign to get this idea in action. Also the president of the university is asking the "Athleteic Council" about this situation. Which i think is a good start. People are saying that Avalos is trying to take away rights or that avalos is part of some atheist consipricy. Even an atheist has said he thinks it should be allowed. He also thinks this country was founded on "Jeudo-Christian values". AHHHH i want to smack someone!!!!!!!!


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Why just the atheletic

Why just the atheletic department, I wonder.  Is the football team so bad that someone thinks they need a god on their side?

I have a friend that used to teach at ISU.  Apparently the bible-thumping, afraid-or-anyone-who-is-different-in-any-way folks are in the majority there.

I heard they recruit students from other countries (for their promotional statistics), but don't go out of their way to make those students feel welcome. 

 

 

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I think the other parts of

I think the other parts of the university have all the religious crap they need. I'm not sure about the international think you speak of and the guy that started this petition is an atheist. He gets alot of shit becauses he's a blblical scholar (rook has heard of him) and he's an atheist. In fact he's the advisor of the Atheist and Agnostic Soceity here.

 

Another fun fact about us with ID , you might have heard of the book "The privleged planet" the guy who wrote it works here. There was a  huge thing about it because the same guy who did this petition also made a petition of the professors here to say that ID does not belong in the science class room. The newspapers around here then made the guy who worte the above book look so victimized becasue of it it was utterly fucking sickening. Yell


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It kinda tickles me that

It kinda tickles me that theists always seem surprised that an Atheist can be a bibical scholar.

 

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Susan wrote: It kinda

Susan wrote:

It kinda tickles me that theists always seem surprised that an Atheist can be a bibical scholar.

 

 

He's also the head of the religious studies department too. 


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zntneo wrote: He's also the

zntneo wrote:
He's also the head of the religious studies department too.

That is fucking AWSEOME!  The irony is just too good. LMAO! 

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new happenings in

new happenings in this.

 

the committee that the president sent this too wants to change the name of the position from "chaplain" to "life skills assistant" same duties though. Ugh this pisses me off


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I'm sure some clever theist

I'm sure some clever theist decided if the position wasn't called chaplain they could get away with it. After all it's a PC issue, not a legal one...oh wait did you say the Constitution?

 

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A skunk by any other name, would still smell like a$$.

 


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If it quacks like a duck

If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it's most likely a duck.

*sigh*

"Life skills assistant"?  I wonder what the definition of "life skills" is.

No.  Wait.  I don't think I really want to know. 

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I totally agree and so does

I totally agree and so does the guy who put up the petition. I geuss FFRF,ACLU, and AU are revving up to sue if it goes through.

 

My coworker,an atheist, thinks they should hire him and as soon as he does anything religious fire him. It's like his job discription is religious ergo they'll fire him as soon as they hire him based on his logic. 


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I always hate it when they

I always hate it when they say things like this are going to be voluntary. If it did go through, it would just be another way of ostracizing any athlete who refused "spiritual advising" from the chaplain. 


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Exactly, also do not realize

Exactly, also do not realize this thing called peer pressure?