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Deconverts knowledge.

Okay all you former believers and deconverts, previous believers and now atheists.

I have a question, what one thing have you learned about science, the world, or humanity has had the BIGGEST impact on your life since you left your faith in the dust?

I have always been pretty science minded and even when I was "trying" to be a believer I always took science findings as more true whether they conflicted with faith teachings or not. The one thing that has changed my life the most is a better understanding of humanity. A better understanding of morals and altruism, gives me a better reason to be good to my fellow man more than any religious teachings ever did.

I am interested to hear everyone else's point of view...


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BGH wrote: I have a

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I have a question, what one thing have you learned about science, the world, or humanity has had the BIGGEST impact on your life since you left your faith in the dust?

 

Wow!  My answer is close to the same...not being science-minded, though, I feel as though a veil has been ripped from my eyes and I am able to see what needs to be done without the ties of religion holding me back.  No guilt!  Not that I was ever much of a theist, but old habits die hard and now I feel an overwhelming sense of responsibility for mankind in general.  I want to get involved because my involvement impacts the greater good.  That was not something I ever had before.  Too much of "why should i worry about it, it doesn't affect me?"  Well, now I know there is a damn good reason that I should worry about it and it does affect me.


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Good question. I LOVE

Good question.

I LOVE learning about evolution, zoology and natural history. I was denied an education in these areas, so I'm educating myself.

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I have to mirror Iruka's. I

I have to mirror Iruka's. I had never know what natural selection really was until after the deconversion. It's such a powerful idea, I'm disappointed I didn't learn it earlier in life.


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Oddly, and with all respect

Oddly, and with all respect for the "hard sciences" it was sociology and psychology that tipped me over the edge, at least scientifically.  When I began studying the way people act, and compared their behaviors to the theory of evolution and the (admittedly limited) knowledge we have about hormones and pheromones, I noticed that people act exactly the way they're "supposed to act" based on our evolutionary development.

May not sound like a huge thing to some, but after growing up in a religious family with a repressed sex drive, a warped sense of justice, and a judgmental attitude about almost anything fun, it came as a big relief to me to learn that I am just an animal, and that humans have built in self-regulating systems, so that I don't need to worry about why god programmed me with all these drives that he doesn't like.

 

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I would say that after

I would say that after becoming a disbeliever i took a Sagan-like approach to looking at the world.  I grew up as a skeptic but found myself falling back on believing in fantasy.  Once i hit the age of 16 i dropped all of those beliefs in fantasy only to find that there was a gap i needed to fill.  Recently i've realized that i can fill this gap through science.  The amount we still don't know, and that one day can know completely boggles my mind.  It is something i love to ponder and write about.  So i 'd say becoming an atheist has opened my mind to discovering a sense of fantasy through hope in science.

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There were actually two

There were actually two events that had a profound impact.

The first was when I was very young, my parents dragged me to sunday school (children that were not old enough to recieve communion were not allowed in the chapel) I was told that god loves me so much that I will be damned to hell forever. This killed any remaining belief I had in the xian god.

The second was taking a course in Bioethics. I had bopped along in a sort of 'whatever' hippy fashion for years, but when I finally had to write out the Why's of a lot of things fell by the wayside. If I could not find a sound reason or evidence for something, then how could I base my life on it?

Since then, I've been working my way through school and gradually educating my friends.

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Ancient Civilizations, grade

Ancient Civilizations, grade 11.  Studying the origin of religions was what tipped me over the edge.


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Just to re-state the

Just to re-state the question, not what pushed you over the edge:

 

I have a question, what one thing have you learned about science, the world, or humanity has had the BIGGEST impact on your life since you left your faith in the dust?


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Sorry, BGH.  I answered

Sorry, BGH.  I answered your question correctly, and worded it poorly.  The knowledge that people behave exactly as they're "supposed" to has had the biggest impact on my life, and it also happened to be a tipping point, too.

People's behavior often puzzled me, because if the bible was true, then they did so many things that didn't make sense, it was hard for me to reconcile.  Once I realized that people's behaviors DO make sense, it changed the way I interacted, the way I predict others' behaviors, and the way I live my own life.  In a way, a completely natural approach to social science is kind of scary, because questions of violence, dishonesty, and other "evil" behaviors become more open-ended.  In other words, as many theists will gladly point out, without a "set morality" you do get a jumble of conflicting interests and grey areas.  The beauty of it, though, is that when you are honest about why people act the way they do, you can predict much more accurately, and you can empathise much easier.

It's akin to discovering that when you die, you will just not exist any more.  It's humbling, and also uplifting at the same time!  I am just an animal, just like everyone else, but evolution has created a system that helps most of us live together.  If we understand it, it becomes even easier to live and understand our fellow humans.

 

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Hamby, you responded

Hamby, you responded correctly, don't worry about it. It was the last few posts that discussed what led them away from belief. That really wasn't what I was asking.


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I think the thing that had

I think the thing that had the biggest impact on me was the historical side aspect. I'd always thought there was all of this proof for a theistic belief but once I began learning that there is virtually no evidence for any of it and that much of it was merely a big version of the "Telephone" game we played as kids I had felt relieved. Then I felt duped and angry at all of the people who ignored these facts and presented only what they wanted to make their case for the theistic belief. Now I feel invigorated and at the same time sad that others are trapped in that same go-nowhere mindset some of which are very negative situations.

In college I had taken a course on God, Ethics and Values by accident (I thought it was the right class and it wasn't but it ended up being the best thing I could have done) and I was taught that the idea of questioning things (that my parents and preacher had tried so hard to stiffle) was actually a POSTIVE thing. I had always wondered but it wasn't until that moment that I realized that in order to really get to the bottom of something you should always ask a question of the question you're asking. Just a simple "WHY" could answer so many things.  Of course, my biology and botony classes also helped tie up the lose ends.

I've currently been reading The God Hypothesis and that's helped answer questions surrounding space/time and I'd recommend it to anyone really looking a more in depth approach. Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus is a real deal breaker, too. (Ehrman says that while in college he was pretty much told not to really think about the discrepancies or to over analyze the errors. What he found really answered a lot of questions I had had about where the book even came from and I was shocked that there are more than, I believe, 300,000 discrepancies in the NT alone!) 

There really is no "one field" that I would say that I'm now fascinated by, they all fascinate me and it is so much better now that I know the facts. Moreover, I think that it's even more enlightening to be surrounded by so many intellectual individuals now. I think I've learned more in the last year from the people I've met here than before. And we all know you're never too old to learn something new. Especially when it's fact based. All fields have equal impact. 

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Booclay - are you new

Booclay - are you new here?  Welcome if you are!  (I'm new too so it is always good to see new faces.)  If you feel comfortable with it write an into post - sounds as though you have been an atheist for some time.

  Either way, glad you are here.


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For me it was when I

For me it was when I realized that there were humans living in Asia and the Americas during the time of all the bible stories.  I looked at it and thought, "what, were those people not worthy of being saved?" In the case of the people in the Americas, it would be over a thousand years before any word of jesus got to them?  It didnt make any sense.  I was about 12.

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Roisin Dubh wrote: For me

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For me it was when I realized that there were humans living in Asia and the Americas during the time of all the bible stories. I looked at it and thought, "what, were those people not worthy of being saved?" In the case of the people in the Americas, it would be over a thousand years before any word of jesus got to them? It didnt make any sense. I was about 12.

I know exactly what you're talking about. I used to wonder if all of those people went to hell. What is someone was born with mental retardation and couldn't get saved? I didn't understand how people could live on different continents with different religions if there was only one true belief? If God really wanted people to know about him why would he not have told people on different continents? "Some things are just not meant to be understood" is the phrase I heard often. 

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The smartest thing I'll

The smartest thing I'll ever do is admit that I do not know everything.

If I understand it correctly I take the scientific view that even the most established of things are prone to complete change from an as-yet undiscovered factor or variable.

I rarely, if ever, claim to be 100% certain of something, just because I don't think I can do so honestly. I say this has greatly influenced how I think, though I can’t remember for sure if this idea came to me before or after I saw it as scientific, maybe it’s just common sense.

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I think the biggest

I think the biggest realization I've had since becoming an athiest was that it really is possible for people to not only believe in what they can't see, but disbelieve something that they can see.  A good example is my Dad, someone who I consider to be a thoroughly rational person in most respects.  after I told him i was an athiest he didn't believe me.  I literally have to tell him about once a year that I'm an athiest, and in between these periods of time he will invite me to church and ask me to pray at meals.  I love my Dad and I think he's a great man/father, but I never would've thought that he could be so thoroughly blinded to what is actually happening around him.

Even funnier is the fact that he tried to get me to tutor the son of the executive editor of x-tian "academic journal".  I respectfully declined, stating that I would have to actually teach the kid biology.

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It's really clarified for me

It's really clarified for me how easily people can cling to irrational beliefs, or believe things without proof, while at the same time, criticizing others who do have proof.  Also, how bullying they can be, often calling their actions loving and righteous.


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I have never been

I have never been deconverted, I was never subjected to religion, so I don't know if I have any business on this thread, but the one thing that really convinces me that the Bible/Christianity/Theism/Islam is nothing more than a fairy-tale is the main concept in the Bible of a God/Satan and Heaven/Hell, the idea that there is this omnipotent, malevolent Father of the Universe who was floating around in outer space, he just happened to be a man, and he waved his magic wand and created everything. Then he demanded that everyone worship him, tho he would never show his face or presence on earth, and made unreasonable, irrational, demands of them, and if they didn't abide they were going to Hell, where they live out eternity roasting in flames, to be reborn everyday just to be roasted again (or something to that effect).

As a "real" father of two wonderful children, if I were to follow God's example, should I demand that my two kids worship me, in addition to the Lard? I created them. But they were perfectly happy in their nonexistence, they didn't ask to be born, so why would it make any sense for anyone to worship this God? Does God send Ethiopian babies that died of starvation at 2 years old to hell because they didn't believe in him? What about retarded people who can't quite grasp conceptual documents like the Bible? What about my dogs and cat, are they going to hell with me, and likewise, in the future, if I convert, can I take them along to heaven with me? Is everyone really all that happy in heaven, does James Robinson get to take his yacht with him when he goes? What about the guy who married his Shetland Pony who I saw on TV, I think he was a Christian. Does he get to heaven?

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tHE main discovery that

tHE main discovery that changed my life is also what convinced me we had no souls, the fact that our emotions are created by chemicles in the brain. But since then, I've read lotsa stuff but none of it has changed my life. My favourite is the parallel universe theory

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Human behavior has never

Human behavior has never ceased to amaze me. Since my admitted atheism my interest in it has only gotten stronger. I love (this is weird.. I know..) to go to all sorts of different religious services because the psychology of it all is just riviting to me. The more I witness it, the more I realize that there is a process to sprituality, and it is very much like being sold a car, only generally you are being sold God. Seeing this fills me full of a mixture of revulsion and interest.

I am not scientifically minded. I suck at math and since I always figured that math and science were bosom buddies, then I should stay away from science, though it is something that I've also started to get very interested in. I pay attention to recent theories, I know the basics of evolution and various generic things of that nature. I forced myself through a physics class last semester, and while I didn't grasp about 98% of the math formulas he put on the board for us to understand, it was still just amazing to see how the world works, so I guess I have a blooming interest in science starting.  

Another recent passion of mine is political interest. Since I am becoming more outspoken about atheism, it seems that my interests in the political field are really starting to burn bright within me.  

 Another passion of mine that REALLY started strong when I was 15 and just falling away from the church was a very strong interest in cultures and religions (including religious history). I just couldn't (and still can't) read enough about any of that. The more I read, the more I learn, the more it just seems like it's the same bullshit just said different ways. 

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BGH wrote: Okay all you

BGH wrote:

Okay all you former believers and deconverts, previous believers and now atheists.

I have a question, what one thing have you learned about science, the world, or humanity has had the BIGGEST impact on your life since you left your faith in the dust?

I have always been pretty science minded and even when I was "trying" to be a believer I always took science findings as more true whether they conflicted with faith teachings or not. The one thing that has changed my life the most is a better understanding of humanity. A better understanding of morals and altruism, gives me a better reason to be good to my fellow man more than any religious teachings ever did.

I am interested to hear everyone else's point of view...

Honestly, I started trusting science long before I quit being religious. Most of the changes I made in my life happened when I went from being a conservative christian to a liberal christian. I fully bought evolution, the big bang, and abiogenesis, I just said "goddidit". I bought all other science, minus the possibility of the gay gene. Actually, yeah, that's something. I gave in to the possibility of the existence of the gay gene, and the fruits of stem cell research, and that abortion isn't completely evil.


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These are all great

These are all great responses!

I love hear how someone learned something new by opening their eyes. 


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I've always been fascinated

I've always been fascinated with the discovery of new hominids, as well as a big supporter of the Out of Africa theory. I used to spend a lot of time at the Museum of Man in San Diego. The recent discovery of Toumai in Chad was a major event for me. Science gets closer and closer to filling in the blanks on the evolutionary tree.


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