N word banned in American town. WTF?

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N word banned in American town. WTF?

Before the PC people blast me, let me state for the record this is not a word I use. Nor is the opinion you are about to read that nessarly of this site or it's members. This is solely my opinion.

I didnt get to see the story because I am in the proccess of going to work. But CNN just had a teaser about a town in America that has banne the word "nigger".

What I cant stand about politically correct people is that they want to use force of goverment to bann "offensive" things. But in the process can and do misconstrue usage and context as always being bad.

The laws we already have in place such as "inciting violence" already exist. We already have common law that you cant physically harm someone. However much I cant stand bigotry I cant stand the thought of words being banned because someone might find them offensive. This is a bad trend because if everyone starts demanding their neighor not offend them, pretty soon goverment becomes the thought police for everyone.

What people fail to consider is that their government MAY NOT AGREE  with them(being you or I) and pretty soon they start using those same laws against something you might want to say.

"Nigger" has been used in movies, it is used in music and comedy, and even amoungst many in the African American community there is debate as to weither or not it should be used.

Carlos Mancia calls Mexicans beaners but no one considers him racist against his own background. So CONTEXT does mean something and a flat out ban on the word is absurd. What one may find offensive in one setting may not be offensive in other setting.

If someone says that out of hate to an African American, THEY ARE AN IDIOT. But that should not intitle those offended to become the thought police for everyone, including those who use the world in other contexts other than hate.

I have been called a godless heathen by both Christians who hate me, and Christian friends who like me. Why should I get to decide for others what their thoughts about me should be. If they are truely hatefull, then it their attitude toward me, not the  words they use, that is the problem. I cant force someone to like me nor do I want laws banning words that I find offensive.

Atheists have been equated to Hitler and Stalin and promoting pediophilia. As absurd and sick as that is, I would rather use my own voice to combat them rather than put bans via government force on what my nighbor's thoughts should be.

I fear bans on speach because I often say things I know will offend some. If I want my own right to vent or even blaspheme something, then I have to be willing to hear things about me I might not like.

"Nigger" is an offensive word in the context of hate. But it has also been apart of art, liturature, movies and music, and comedy. If Africian Americans want to make change  to end bigotry, I THINK THAT IS GREAT. I simply question tactic of using goverment.

As a minortity atheist who knows that some(not all) but some Christians calling Jesus fiction as being offensive. In the hands of a law could be used against sites like this and it's posters.

Atheists can identify with other minorties. We have been villified and demonized and hated by theists of all labels. Not all theists hate all atheists. But I am not going to risk the free speech of ALL Americans because I may not like that others hate me.

The bottem line is that WE already have laws that say we cant tell others to physically harm others. We already have laws that say you cant harm others. Words do not have to be acted on and WE should be mature enought NOT to react out in violence when we hear something we dont like.

BUT by no means do I, or a Christian or a Muslim or African Americans or Jews or atheist have any right to use goverment to play thought police. I has nothing to do with one word or one person. It has to do with the type of goverment people want to live under.

I dont want to live under a government that tells me what words I can or cannot use. If I value my rights I also have to value the rights of those who dont like me. BUT all can agree that WE have laws in place that cover the ability to arrest anyone who causes harm to another.

Free speech also includes things that offend me or you. I'd prefure being offended over goverment power over speech.

I just think this is a horrible idea, no matter how good the intent is. It is a slippery slope that will lead down the road to facism where the government becomes our brain. That is not good for the theist or the atheist or the majority or miniorty, no matter the label.

"Lets get along" should not involve bad tactics. Goverment ban of words is a bad path and can backfire on everyone. 

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I doubt this would stand up

I doubt this would stand up as constitutional.


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MattShizzle wrote: I doubt

MattShizzle wrote:
I doubt this would stand up as constitutional.

No matter how objective we think the Constitution is every citizen must remember that you are still dealing with human beings interpreting it. There have been in our history cases held up by one Supreme Court later to be reversed by another.

The fact that our current Supreme Court is siding with the religious is an indicator. One can only hope that these judges care more about free speech than they do about their own agendas. But considering what they have ruled on, I wouldnt put it past them to side with PC crybabies.

When I talk about PC crybabies, I dont mean all people who want to get along and do so without censoring others. I am talking about fundy theists Christian/Muslim/Jew as well as liberal theists and liberal atheists.

It is not a bad idea to want to show people you are not the stereotype they think you are. It is also within human nature to want to improve relations with others. But the worst way the citizens of any label can do it is via government force.

There are 6 billion people on this planet, let alone this country. We all have people we like and people we dont like. We all feel the need to bitch about something at some point. We all feel the need to poke fun at things too.

I think the key is for people to understand that just because you dont like, or even hate some person, or some idea or some claim, that others who may share it are not clones of that person.

It is also immature to act out in  violence when someone offends you. While understandable there are much more productive things to do than physically harm someone. Quite often when one does, it does not have the disired affect of change.

I dont think censoring people has that affect either. I think it simply makes them quiter BUT WORSE, because it is not out in the open where you can see it.

In any case like I said before, most people dont seem to understand that THEY may not be the cop, prosicutor or Judge deciding what is or is not "offensive".

Since I value my right to "bitch" then I must do the same for those who may not like me. Because without that, it can be taken away from, not only me, but anyone.

That is why common law exists. We can and do have the ability to refrain from violence when we hear things we dont like. And we can use our own voices insted of violence or censorship laws to counter that which we want to challenge.

 

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Words only have the power

Words only have the power that we give them. If we declare a word so offensive that it is illegal to say then that gives the word great power. It reinforces the word and what it means.

If you want to take away the power of a word then don't react at all when it is said, let it be said, insist it be said. If the word is being used as part of a bigotted rant then attack the rant, not the word.

Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!


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I've always found the idea

I've always found the idea that words can be good or bad a bit silly anyways, but I really don't have much of a problem with this law - besides, who would turn people in?

I hope that when the world comes to an end I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.


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xamination wrote: I've

xamination wrote:
I've always found the idea that words can be good or bad a bit silly anyways, but I really don't have much of a problem with this law - besides, who would turn people in?
Yeah, this strikes me as a bit like our anti-stalking laws here in Oregon. Technically speaking, someone that follows you for a few blocks in your car can be arrested as a stalker. Obviously, however, you would need more than that to actually be arrested -- nobody would really be pulled over for having the misfortune of being behind someone that is going to someone else's house on the same block. It is, however, something that allows the police to take appropriate action for someone that might otherwise be able to skirt the boundries of the law enough to really stalk without actually breaking the law.

In principal I very much agree with the statement that someone shouldn't be arrested for using any particular word, but in reality I have a suspicion that the context is a bit different. 


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I just saw on CNN a two

I just saw on CNN a two pannel disscussion of the use of the word. Both partisipants were African Americans. One insisted on never using the word, while the other said what I said that "it depends on context" and that you cant legislate usage for or against a word.

I have been blasted for supporting the Washington Redskins while other atheists sport the rebel flag. I dont think anyone should ever forget hatefull actions or words in human history, but part of human history is change.

I think alot of these controversial words or symbols are often adapted by the cuture originally aimed at as a way to take the sting out of it.

Again, there is a huge difference between someone who really hates Mexicans, and calls them wetbacks and Carlos Mancia who uses the same term as one of enderment. Same word, two different contexts and meanings.

And again, combating real hate should not involve using government for thought police. The bottem line is people are going to like you, or they wont. It is a far better place when we can air out and even offend each other, than one where all of us have padlocks on our lips.

You cant change human nature. You can control your own actions. You cant control other peoples thoughts by force. You can agree that physically harming someone, for whatever reason, is unnacceptable.

Freedom of speech has helped us grow, sometimes that growth is painfull. But it is because we dont opress offensive things that we can expose them and get beyond them.

No one should force you to say "nigger", nor should you be forced to support the Redskins or have a rebel flag on your wall. But to say anyone who does partisipate in usage of these things is automatically via guilt by association must be a hatefull bigot, is absurd.

Again, this has nothing to do with the good intent of getting along. |This cuts to the core of what type of goverment we as a society want to live under.

I dont want my goverment telling me what words I can or cannot say. I dont want my goverment telling me who I have to like. The only obligation I have is one of human nature. Since I dont want to be physically harmed, I dont physically harm others and that is one of empathy. At the same time I also know that my thoughts are mine and others have different thoughts.

You cannot legislate morality and you cannot forcably re-arrange the neurons in someone else's brain. You can control yourself and your own actions when you hear things you may find offensive. 

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The next time someone says

The next time someone says that they should ban a word, just tell them this:

The first ammendment doesn't protect the speach you like; it protects the speach you hate.

I know that it protects all speech, but it just kinda makes them think.


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crimson90 wrote: The next

crimson90 wrote:

The next time someone says that they should ban a word, just tell them this:

The first ammendment doesn't protect the speach you like; it protects the speach you hate.

I know that it protects all speech, but it just kinda makes them think.

Right, the First Amendment makes it impossible for government to punish you for merely saying "offensive" things. And what people both theists and atheists with a censorship attitude forget is that what one person may find offensive another may not.

Why put that kind of power into the hands of a Judge, prosicutor or politician or law inforcement? These people in these seats of power may not agree with YOU, the individual be you theist or atheist. It is a bad idea to give someone you may dissagree with use of goverment force to silence you.

That is why WE have common law against physical harm. I cant  beat up my neighbor. You cant kill your spouse. And we cant ask others to assault or kill someone because of what they believe. The laws are already in place.

Weither you are Ellen Johnson, Ann Coulter, Brian Sapient, Pat Robertson, we all have the right to like or dislike or even hate someone and express those emotions. What none of us can do is act out in physical violence or call for violence on another individual, FOR WHATEVER REASON.

You cant beat up your neighbor for the same reason you cant beat up your wife for the same reason you cant beat up a Muslim for the same reason you cant beat up a child. People dont like being physically harmed. It doesnt take rocket science to state the obvious.

People also like to be able to express themselves and people will never agree on all issues all the time.

The First Amendment and common law puts the responsibility on  the individudual, not the government. It allows us the individuality without fear of being dragged of the street because someone says something we dont like. Our common law also makes us personaly responsible for how we react when we hear things we dont like.

That is a far better set up then expecting government to shelter you from reality. It also provides you the oportunity to challenge the set norms to foster positive change.

 

 

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