So let me get this straight.

If god hadn't created the devil, we'd all live forever???? 

Sapient pwns.

I had to be honest with myself by viewing god as an angry drunk. Come along with me on this very short trip. The all knowing god creates the angels and man knowing ahead of time what they will do. Lucifer believes himself to be equal to god, is cast out of heaven to wreak havoc on man starting at the original sin. Because of original sin man suffers and dies until the second coming when god's son will make it all better.

 

So to me god sounds like a dysfunctional drunk who wanted to see suffering and now his son is trying to fix it but can only do so when the vast majority of mankind is wiped out.

Now tell me again why Lucifer shouldn't be angry at god?

This is the god that cares so much for us?

This is why Christians are hard to reason with. They are in a co-dependant relationship with a very dysfunctional yet all powerful father figure.

Like the abused wife on cops who just got punched in the eye by their drunk husband, they will in fact turn right around and bail him out over and over and over again. Now with a drunk husband the wife may stay in it until he finally whips her ass so bad he goes to jail, she runs away, he kills her or she kills him. With Christians however, they are usually in it for the long haul because, of course, god is all powerful so running away or fighting back is futile.

I am one of the lucky survivors. I found that you can kill god. He only existed in my mind so it was easier than I thought. It was in fact as easy as a thought.

Now for the boogieman that lives under my bed. I need help with this because I'm a big guy and the other night, while I was in the process of turning off the light switch and taking a running jump into my bed, I misjudged the landing, broke two slats in the bed frame, over shot and took the lamp off the night stand and knocked a hole in the wall. Thankfully I'm not injured but the trip to home depot is going to put a dent in my wallet.

 

Now some of you may say the boogieman doesn't exist but my big sister told me when I was a kid that he did and I know I can trust her. I haven't ever actually see him but I know he's there. I can just feel it. Sometimes there are little bumps in the night, or maybe my shoes wont be just like I left them or well, now I'm probably just starting to sound silly to you.

 

So for me when people speak of god, I don't see some majestic being, I see some drunk ass tweakin hillbilly in a dirty wife beater standing in front of his rickety mobile home with the Dale Earnhardt memorial NASCAR blanket that has been hung over the window so you can't see the meth lab.

 

Your god can kiss my ass!

TheGrapeOfWrath

Ps. No offense to hillbillies. I'm an Okie, but I'm no dumb Okie.

 

 

God created the devil. And you have it backwards. If God had stopped it, He would have affected free will. And on what basis do you assume that stopping it would have been the right thing to do anyway?  You are opperating from the vantage point of insufficient knowledge. It never ceases to amaze me how atheists make such bold and certain statements and affirmations about things, despite the fact that according to the evolutionary hypothesis, the human brain is still in the process of evolving. It is imperfect. How does an imperfect brain make such certain claims about a being who's mind, knowledge and wisdom is beyond human comprehension? It would be like an ameba trying to tell a rocket scientist how to do his own job.

 Again, that statement assumes that you have a better understanding on the nature of love then a being who is by definition love. I refer you again to the ameba/rocket scientist analogy. 

. Dishonest according to your own societal, conventional, relativistic  cultural and superficial perceptions? If morality is relative and non-absolute, then the atheist cannot insert his own subjective conceptions of morality onto another culture, and especially not on God. 

. Your not sticking with your own worldview. These kind of moral complaints are absolute, not relative. Since God is the Creator, He is at liberty to kill and destroy anything He wants, and you have NO business butting into His business. Again, the ameba/rocket scientist analogy.

. How do you know they are killed? And how do you know that God killing them is not the right thing to do? How do you know that not all energy returns to the Divine source. You're thinking three dimensionally and not seeing the big picture.  Again, you are opperating from the vantage point of insufficient knowledge and a brain that is not even working right (still in the process of evolving), yet you have the audacity to correct the perfect, infinate and all knowing/wise mind of God?  . See above.

Its important for atheists to realize that they are not capable of believing unless they are children of God. A person must be elect of God. A mind that is not infused with Divine illumination is not capable of believing and understanding. This is precisely why sin is so terrible, because it drives the grace of God from a person. The more one sins, the more his mind becomes darkened. I don't believe atheits are fully conscious. Once you begin exercizing the virtues, praying, and doing good deeds for people, you will attract the grace of God into your soul, heart and mind, and you will begin to understand. In a way, atheists are right. God doesn't exist -- not for them. But He exists for others. And in another way they are right. When we speak of the category of existing/created things, God does not exist in that category. He transcends the category of created and existing things. He even transcends existance itself. So, in a way God does not exist, as far as the limited and finite human mind perceives existance. But in another way He is beyond existence. This is a great paradox in theology. He is God transcendent, and God revealed.

"Impure souls give birth to impure knowledge."--- St. Isaac the Syrian

So no Bible, no miracles, no divine intervention, no answered prayers, no messiah.  All things things would affect free will but that doesn't leave you with much of a religion.  Or do you just throw out the phrase "free will" when it's convenient to block an obvious flaw in your religion?