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I don't know if he is agreeing with me or what...

Posted on: May 2, 2007 - 3:59pm

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I don't know if he is agreeing with me or what...

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Here is a letter I received today and would really appreciate help as it is too close to home for me and I have a hard time debating someone I consider a good friend. Read from the bottom up.

RE: RE: RE: VT shooting blamed on Evolution and godlessness.

the realm of spirit is inner. Nothing can be proved or disproved. If I say that I saw God, how could I prove it? Or how could you prove I didn't? The inner world can't be proved, it is invisible. I could be crazy, I could be hallucinating, I could be a con-man, or it could be a genuine experience.
Science is outer, it is visible. Everything can be proved or disproved in a laboratory. That is why science is one but thousands of religions exist.
And there are con men in the realm of religion who exploit people's beliefs. They promise something invisible. It is a good business, you never have to deliver the goods.
There was a store that was selling invisible hairpins for women. One woman went to buy some but she couldn't see them. She told the clerk and he said "of course you can't see them, they are invisible."
"You must sell a lot of these, they are so cool" She said.
He replied "Oh yes, we have been out of stock for two weeks now but we still keep selling them"
So I know about the existence of spirit, or a transcendental reality that is the cause of this fourth-reality. But I have no belief system, no anthromorphic superstitions or dogmas about it. Just the reality that I experience. But I can't prove it, nor would I if I could, it is a mystery and I want it to remain, as it will.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Hellbound Heathen
Date: Apr 28, 2007 7:36 PM

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I don't believe in the higher life form or creation. I do believe that there is an explanation of our existence. But the God of the Gaps is a logical fallacy. Ex. It's thundering therefore God must be doing it. I don't believe in a spirit and would very much like evidence of one if you have it.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Dannon Flynn
Date: Apr 28, 2007 7:19 PM

Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on God. Witches have their gods to. Of course something almighty, transcendant, and divine exists, it doesn't have a human form.

Posted on: May 2, 2007 - 4:46pm #1

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the realm of spirit is inner. Nothing can be proved or disproved. If I say that I saw God, how could I prove it? Or how could you prove I didn't? The inner world can't be proved, it is invisible. I could be crazy, I could be hallucinating, I could be a con-man, or it could be a genuine experience.

If the realm of hte spirit IS inner, then how would this person know as much? If what they're saying is true, then they wouldn't have any way of knowing and therefore are talking out their arse. If they're talking out their arse, then they're talking out their arse.

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Posted on: May 2, 2007 - 4:46pm #2

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Dannon Flynn

MarthaSplatterhead wrote:

I don't know if he is agreeing with me or what...
Dannon Flynn wrote:
something almighty, transcendant, and divine exists

Unless you believe something almighty, transcendant, and divine exists, then I'd say no.

People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.

Posted on: May 2, 2007 - 8:23pm #3

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MarthaSplatterhead wrote:
I don't know if he is agreeing with me or what...
Dannon Flynn wrote:
something almighty, transcendant, and divine exists
Unless you believe something almighty, transcendant, and divine exists, then I'd say no.

Yeah, I definitely don't agree with this. It was this piece that confused me:

Dannon Flynn wrote:

But I have no belief system, no anthromorphic superstitions or dogmas about it. Just the reality that I experience. But I can't prove it, nor would I if I could, it is a mystery and I want it to remain, as it will.

Sounds pretty sensible to me. The rest sounds like he is talking out his arse.

Posted on: May 3, 2007 - 1:21am #4

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This really sounds alot like

This really sounds alot like me when I was still fervently hanging onto the last shreds of the god hypothesis as a Deist. I eventually found that there aren't many good reasons to believe in anything supernatural (no matter how much I want them to be real).

The Regular Expressions of Humanistic Jones: Where one software Engineer will show the world that God is nothing more than an undefined pointer.

Posted on: July 7, 2007 - 4:06pm #5

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I don't know if he's agreeing with me or not?

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing. Nor am I trying to convince or convert. Just respecting your viewpoint and offering mine. Sorry if I offended you. I like to debate and test people's beliefs and viewpoints as well as my own; it is all in good fun.

-Dannon

Posted on: July 7, 2007 - 4:18pm #6

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Sorry for using the words

Sorry for using the words "Divine, Transcendental". Yes these are trigger words to Atheists. Substitute the words "Quantum Field" if you like. I don'y BELIEVE in God. I KNOW in science. Sorry, I think the Universe is infinitely beautiful. I think it is multi-dimensional. So I used the words like "Transcendent".

Posted on: July 7, 2007 - 4:20pm #7

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Sorry for using the words

Posted on: July 7, 2007 - 4:54pm #8

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He IS agreeing with you!

It seems to me that he is agreeing with you in that belief in God is stupid. And only gullible, superstitios people believe in it. You asked him if he had any proof in spirit to tell you. He replied that he had no proof nor would he want to prove it if he could. Which he can't.

I think he probably mistakes consciousness for "Spirit". According to quantum physics matter is energy. And all energy and matter on a quantum level is manipulated by the mind. The Universe is made out of conscious energy and space. Maybe he believes like I do that consciousness itself creates the universe.

I understand his point to about how it IS INNER so it can't be proved. How can you prove that you are in Love? Or how can you prove that you aren't dreaming? There is no proof. There is only faith that this is real waking life. Blind faith.

So I think he is agreeing with you that there is a explanation for your existence and that the God of Gaps is a logical fallacy. Like Santa Claus! And he didn't want to even try to give you evidence of Spirit.

Posted on: July 7, 2007 - 5:50pm #9

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Hi Ondara and

Hi Ondara and Sexysadie.

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