It's probably wrong of me, but I can't take misspelled, poorly-written arguments seriously.  I can't get past all the superficial errors. I conclude (perhaps wrongly) that any meaning to be found is also superficial.  Case in point: I can't remember anything about what I just read except that it was littered with errors. 

I would like to get over this prejudice, but every time I see a piece of writing from a reich-wing christbot, it usually looks just like the one you posted.  Am I wrong?  How can I get over this? 

What a loser.

HAHAHAHAH!!!

 Ya, I'm sure xians (the majority) will be massivly slaughtered now. Especially they are the complacent, hateful ones.

and please stop sticking words in other peoples mouths.

-Sighned Satun 

It makes you feel better. This should help.

I think it is funny that the people that believe in God are irrational but
the people who accept the thought that all of the complexity and
beauty of the earth just randomly happened have rational.

Excuse me, did you just say randomly? What you have just told me is that you have intellectual integrity. There is nothing random about evolution. Ever heard of cumulative mutation? Segment shuffling? Intron/exon shift? Natural Selection? Mitosis error selection? Go and study the subject before spouting this garbage.

That is very silly and irrational in and of itself.

No. It is irrational that you would say this nonsense without having studied evolution.

I have no proof that God exists, just faith and that is enough for me.

Remarkable. Tell a Christian that he can fly or yoghurt makes him invisible, and he will require just as much evidence as me. Tell him that the book he keeps is the product of an omnipotent deity who sent a son in human form to get nailed to a cross and be ressurected and who will cast them into hell if they dont follow, and he just accepts it.

You guys really are no different then the wacko fundementalists; you are just as bias and you seek to get people to adopt your own ideologys.

A fundamentalist, if you want the definition, is someone who adopts a PURITANICAL interpretation of DOGMATIC Holy Texts. If we base our information of scientific theory, which is always changing and updating, that is not fundamentalist. Also, fundamentalists proselytize. We just argue with people. We don't force anything on anybody. But if you look at the history of Christianity and Islam, you will find they were both spread at swordpoint. Also, I dont think that requiring some EVIDENCE should be considered bias. I think the word you are looking for is sane.

I see you hate Christians. Okay, thats fine but I do love you and
Jesus loves you too.

I don't hate christians. How dare you make such an unfounded assertion. And you call us bias? Also, Jesus was a great man, with a great message of peace and love. But he is dead. Get over it.

The bible never speaks of a pre-tribulation rapture and most of the people in our goverment are into illuminati SATANISUM!!! You probaly do not believe in this or the existence of globalization and the NEW WORLD ORDER because just like the church going folk, you are not able to think for yourself.

A couple points. Firstly, you have been reading too much Dan Brown. The Illuminati is dead. So you call us irrational for not believing in God, then you endorse a ridiculous conspiracy theory? What do you mean the existence of globalization? No one could deny that. Globalization is the sum total of telecommunication, modern transport, developing economy export, multinational corporations and improved logisitics.

At least you admit that church-goers don't bother to think for themselves.

THERE WILL BE A GREAT HOLOCAUST OF CHRISTIAN'S IN AMERICA AND I AM SURE YOU WILL CHEER IT ON... HOW SAD!!!

Once again. you make unfounded assertions. On the flip side, I think what is sad is that Evangelism is growing. Those people a Christian Hitler Youth Group. There are so many Christians in the USA that I strongly doubt your statement. Your second statement reveals that you are incredibly twisted. How dare you make such a revolting statement. I am of Jewish blood. I lost everyone in the Holocaust, I would never condone any violence, but I cannot say the same for religion, unfortunately. 

Hey wait a minute! I am walking around, I listen to some black metal (death metal, gothic, etc.), I like to wear all black and I'm not going to church! No really, I do that!

(/joke)

That's like convicting someone of witchcraft because they have a wart on their nose. I'm glad I moved out of the Bible belt.

Yeah.  Toronto is looking better and better all the time. 

Hmm... If that's the logic people follow, remind me to never come to the USA.

After I've seen Susan's example, http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0503/atheists.html and after the debate I've had recently, I'm convinced that most religious Americans are far beyond any hope of impartiality, humanism and equity.

I realize I would easily fit into the "west memphis three" myself:

- my favorite author is Serge Brussolo, whose horror novels Stephen King's would never evern dare compare to

- if you take a look in my music library, I think you'll find less than 10% that ISN'T metal

- I am known for wearing darker clothes and metal T-shirts

...and I am also a known atheist.

Frankly, I wouldn't risk getting the blame for someone's horrible crime just because I'm different from what the American public thinks one should be.

Whew...

That means there is still hope.

By the way, wouldn't people be better off if satire sites were actually marked with a "Warning: Satirical content! Do not read if frowned" sticker ?

Could you please clarify?   If I need to write a paragraph about why I shouldn't be so uptight, I could do that.  *shrug*

I admit I am rather tightly-strung when it comes to right-wingers and fundamentalists.  I have a hard time dealing with them because I'm sick of doing it. :P  I grew up right-wing and fundy.  My family is right-wing and fundy.  My community has a large right-wing/fundy contingent.  I've also noticed that my community isn't overly endowed with intellect. :|  

I'm tired of it. 

I dont give a ratts ass what "club" you belong to, most people in their right mind recoil at the thought of mass murder "genocide". People pursicuted for being chrisitian dont like it, people pursicuted for being muslim dont like it, and neither do people calling themselves jews.

Do not mistake your brand "copywrite" logo of deity as being the monopoly agianst genocide. Genocide happens when humans are trained phycologically to see their neibhor as sub human.

Here is the reality, MOST HUMANS, if given the chance without the club mentality, might dissagree with their neighbor, but WONT kill them over it.

So why does this happen? Because of ego. When a group of people feel as a mass(gang) that something is threatening them, they react. When the powers in charge convince them that "outsiders" are not like them(BULLSHIT) it makes it easyer for them to kill in mass numbers.

For the same reason Kim Jong Ill has used propaganda and Hilter used propaganda and Bin Ladin used propaganda Christians dispite what they think, also use propaganda.

Why do we pit human against human? Why do we pit sect against sect? Why do we pit political party against political party? Why do we pit idology agianst ideology?

Why? For the same reason a soccer fan is willing to beat up an apossing fan. Not because the other is a real threat, but because both sides fail to see the other as human.

Name me one mother in the world in good mental health that doesnt want to see their child happy? 

Humanity's problem is that people actually hate when all they really want to do is bitch. When you bitch, you dont kill, when you hate you can commit mass murder. 

I think someone has their tinfoil hat on a little too tight today. 

By the way... I am not a right wing.  I belong to no political party.

But I loved what that guy said... "Riech wing".... hahaha... so true

What I am not sorry about is everything else I said.  The Illuminati is not dead.  They are very much alive.  Look on the back of a dollar bill and find out what that pyramid means and maybe you will understand.

"Rolls' eyes". I told you, you have been reading Angels and Demons 
by Dan Brown far too many times, if you are referring to the Bavarian Illuminati, they have been deceased for several hundred years. I trust when you said the dollar bill you are referring to the "shining delta", or the pyramid affixed with the eye, or perhaps the Novus Ordo Seclorum. I laugh whenever I see that, because right next to it says "In God we Trust". 

However, these are Freemason symbols. The Illuminati have been deceased for centuries, and there is no credible evidence that they infilitrated the freemasons, Dan Brown made that up to give suspense to the story. If you believe the Illuminati survived past the 19th century, you get labelled a conspiracy theorist. However, on the other hand, if you believe the Illuminati survive today you are a full-fledged loon, sorry to say.

Thanks for the West Memphis Three link. Those poor kids.

 But in response to the letter, the "Rapture" can't come fast enough.

"I defy any follower of any of these three religions to show me a verse in any of the respective holy books that says, "It is ok to question and dissagree. If you dont believe in me, you dont have to follow me".

“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

--John 12:47

and again...

“And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.”

--Luke 9:51-56

You worship a tyrant who threatens to beat the outsiders up. Not only for a few minutes, or a few hours, or a few days....but for eternity. That is way beyond proportional punishment, that is swatting a fly with a sledghammer.

My response?  For one, if you don't believe in God, why do you guys always bring this up?  I'm not meaning to be rude but, but it seems kinda silly to quote something you don't even believe in.  But it is a very valid concern... the nature of Hell.  Hell is horrable and God doesn't want a single one of you to go there.  Regardless of what you may think, God is loving, merciful but also a just judge of the world.  God has gone out of his way in incredible ways to try and get us out of hell but how can someone be helped if they don't want to be helped.  The reason people go to hell is because they violate the law and it is not in God's nature to let the guilty go free.  What do you think of a judge who lets a murderer off with five years in prison and probation???  You would think he is corrupt.  Well, in the holy eyes of God we are all liars and thieves and murderes (those who hate are guilty of murder according to the scriptures).  So God can not let anyone go unpunished.  Everyone will stand before a just and merciful God and give account for themselves before they go to Heaven or Hell, so the only ones that go to hell are the ones that choose to.

I understand this answer probaly means nothing to you but it is the reason for hell.  Peace 

How exactly do people choose to go to hell? Belief sin't a choice. The vast majority of people truly believe what they have been brought up to believe - though some of us see the evidence isn't there and our logic convinces us to no longer believe. If god considers hating someone to be equivalent to murder, then god is insane. Finally, the letting a murderer off after 5 years isn't a good analogy. Hell for disbelief would be like giving someone the death penalty for littering - actually it would be even more extreme since disbelief doesn't do any harm and eternal torture is worse than dying.

Right man... I stand totally corrected on the false information that I gave about Osiris. Yeah, you are completely right about everything you said. Set was the Egyptian form of Satan and he stole the eye of Osirus. There is actually a Satanic cult, based out of San Francisco, called "the Temple of Set" and it was founded by U.S Colonel Micheal Aquino. I typed the information to quickly and it came out bad.

I deffinately believe in the seperation of church and state. I would love it if we took "In God we trust" off the dollar bill and that we removed the ten commandments out of the public. America should have no ties to any one religion... especially Christianity because it gives it a bad name. I am not afraid to say that the closest thing that follows a Theocracy... is a fascist nation.

I just think that it defiles our religon to say our nation is Christian . We claim to be Christian and yet we have a 150ft obilsik in washington (which relates to sun worship). I say that take Jesus out of the government... He doesn't belong there. If Jesus was alive today, he would probaly be killed by American's because he would be speaking out against all of the injustice that we commit in his name. Remember that Jesus never pointed his finger at anyone EXCEPT FOR THE RELIGIOUS HYPOCRATES. He hung out with drunks, prostitues and the scum of the earth but he called out the religious people as the litteral children of satan!!!  When you think about it, how much respect can America really have for a man who was homeless????  Would we listen to someone like that today??

I think if you consider the majority, then yes... America is a Christian nation. But if you actually read the bible as a whole, everything about America is oppisite to what God wants in mankind.  I could offer tons of scripture that directly relate to how oppresive nations are an insult to God.  Heres one; "do no use your liberty as a cloak for malicouisness".

 You can not say you walk in the love of Jesus and found a nation on the genocide of INNOCENT people. You can not murder millions of children around the world and claim to know God.

I say; 'LESS JESUS IN GOVERNMENT... MORE LOVE AND COMPASSION IN THE ACTIONS WE TAKE AS A NATION!!!" 

Hey There!!! I guess I will respond to each part of this email.

I already apoligized from the bottom of my heart about saying you guys would cheer on a holocaust. Maybe you just didn't see it. I will say it again... I WAS WRONG TO SAY THOUSE THINGS. I guess I am just really offended when this site says that you guys want to end religion. People have the right to there religion. Look, no one knows more them me how twisted and backwards the church has become but that doesn't mean that religon is bad. The bible says that "pure religon is to help the widows and the fatherless in there affliction"; have you ever known of that causing any harm. I think that when we blame the worlds problems on religion... it's a coup out, ya know? I mean, look at the war in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed there. We can blame it on God but we are ultimately the ones who are to blame. It is us, the people, who can demand that the government pull out of that country and yet we do nothing. The problem with the world is not religon, the problem with the world is; greed, violence, hatred and arrogance. You can say that the bible promotes these things and prove that you don't know the overall message of that book. For every violent verse in Leviticus I can find ten other verses that show that Love, Mercy, Peace and Justice are the true ways of God.

You guys should ask me more out of the box questions. I think you will find that I am more open minded then you may think.

Valid point, valid point.  I will look into the site but I don't know if it is going to be that much different from the people who are on it.  I mean, you seem cool and a couple others but mostly people are real cruel and nasty.  Plus, I am afraid that I will come across a video of people using the bible to pick up Dog shit.... thats wicked man.  I know a lot of good athiests that think thats wicked.

Thanks Susan!!!! Point well taken... I was thinking the same thing, lol.

I feel kinda silly because I can't figure out how to select specific sentences to quote. 

Good Morning! Let me just start by saying that I respect your views.......

"I will read that scripture but I really wished you would have just told me what you were getting at about the two creation theroys. "

No, I wanted you to read it for a reason. I'd like to know if you actually caught on to the contradictions. I understand that the bible says a day to man is like a thousand years in God's time. So I can understand that the conclusion for some creationists is that it actually took six thousand years. However you said that the bible doesnt say that it was back to back therefore you draw the conclusion that it could have taken millions and millions of years. The bible doesnt say it but in the context it was written it most definetly implies that the days were back to back. And in any given case it doesnt also say what type of form that man was first created, just that we were created in God's Image. So does that mean that I can draw the conclusion that God resembles an ape? Or what science refers to as "the common ancestor?" Think about that line of reasoning for a second.

 "but they in no way prove to me that there is not a God."

True. However you seem like a man who uses his brain. I think that all the contradictions on the bible and really the just landish stories, should prove to you that the God that was created by the writers of the bible, is probally as non-existent as you would consider Zeus. Do you understand my point? I'm sure any deity that actually exists would not allow for humans to screw up and misprint and account that actually happened.

"I have plenty of hard evidence to prove to myself that he is real and his word is trust-worthy but I don't expect anyone else to believe"

So do people that worship other dieties. They really believe the personal experiences that happen to them. Does that mean that more than one diety exists? Or does that further prove the statement that god is created in man's own image? Your God could most definetly be true in your own eyes. The same way that it is true for Allah in Islam. There isn't any way of proving which diety is real and which diety isnt. Therefore my line of thinking is NO diety out there can be proven so why should I believe in any particular one? Why should I waste my life restricted by rules that are forced through a religion? You might say the thought of hell. Well I dont think pascals wager is good enough for me.  I will gladly let you believe what you want to. I might think that you are a little delusional, but I do NOT want any religion being involved in decisions that effect me. You have your church and you have your home. That's enough. I personally think that it should be a CRIME to allow imissionaries to go out and spread the word of your god. If you want to help third world countries, or poorer civilizations BRAVO. You have an amazing  heart. But do it through some other charitable organization, don't do it through means of leaping on the feeble and making them believe the way that you believe. Take a look at history. Religion is dangerous. Period.

Now I don't know what skeletal findings that you have to support the bible, I was a christian for years and saught evidence like that to prove my case, and never found anything worth debating over. Every evidence that was found has been proven to be moot. However the scientific findings that have been discovered, pretty much point out that 80% of that bible of yours is false. While we cant disprove God, what we can do is disprove what is in the bible. Every finding that we have discovered on a scientific note has pretty much contraticted what is written in the bible. If you take away the bible you are taking away the god of the bible.

"Well, I am going to call you on this one, sister. You are wrong... in fact you have spoken a lie."

If you had actually paid attention to what I wrote you would have noticed that I was referring to myself. Note the "i" that is commonly used in that paragragh. I was speaking for myyself.

THE FRANKLIN COVERUP, THE SKULL AND BONES, THE BOHEMIANS GROVE, PAULL BONNANCIA

They are all consipracy theories, and while they serve for a good story, that's all. I don't believe in consipracy theories. They to me arent proof of squat.

No I didn't see your apology but thank you. You said "that for every violent verse "etc.......I know you can but you are begging to say that the bible is true and accurate and it's not. The bible is NOT the infalliable word of God and NEEDS to stop being used as a tool, other than a great story book.

L&R

I was going to give this a serious reply, up until the part about the Illuminati and shit. 

Actually, I think I still will. I can't speak for everyone else here, but personally, I don't hate Christians, in and of themselves. They're just people. Sick, deluded, confused as fuck people, but people none the less. What I hate is the doctrine that's been so ingrained into their head, that you'd have better luck blasting it out with dynamite than with logical discourse.

I'm going to cut this off now, before I get on some long diatribe about the inherent goodness and potential in people to rise above that which they were wrongfully taught, and instead just tell you to go piss up a rope. 

These books will change your life: 

Why does this guy think things like evolution are irrational when he clearly hasn't even studied them?

Oh, right: faith.