No Contest between theists and atheists
Atheists refuse to admit that they are wrong.
As long as the earth has been, theists have controlled everything.
It is understood there is a God. The Bible doesn't try to prove God is real, it is understood.
Nowhere can it be found in all the world's literature anything like the Torah. It is original in its contents. The Psalm,s Proverbs, and the Hebrew prophets.
An atheist asked if Jesus was Messiah why didn't the Jews recognize him. That question alone tells me he is ignorant of what the Bible is about concerning Jews and Gentiles.
Partial blindness has come upon Israel. This is found in allt he Old Testament's teachings.
Then May 15, 1948 a nation was born in a day.
Prophecy is revealed as history unfolds. Almost everything the Bible says has been fulfilled.
More is fulfilled as the days go by.
The prophet Daniel prophesied to the day and hour Messiah would enter Jerusalem that day.
Atheist tries to debunk Daniel, but it can't be done. Daniel told it all.
I've seen it all before and
here is the thing about atheists and theists.
Atheists have no say so about the planet we live on.
This is a theist run planet. That should tell the atheist something, but it doesn't.
God rules through the theist on planet earth.
Granted times are bad as the Bible says it will be, it must come to pass, but the fact remains that theists will always be in the front seat while the atheist sits in the back complaining.
Rational responders? Actually it is the theist who proves God daily by his rule over the atheist's world, the world he is forced to live in.
If atheists had any proof there is no God, they have had millenniums to produce it, bring it forth. But as it stands and shall stand, the theists control the world, and "there is a God" truth will forever be the theme of life and the cause for progress with the atheist in the background having nothing but a protest, which yields no results because God is alive and well.
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Atheists refuse to admit
Atheists refuse to admit that they are wrong.
Standard projectionalism
As long as the earth has been, theists have controlled everything.
That's ridiculous. Earth has existed for 4.5 billion years, humans for 250,000 and religion for 7000.
It is understood there is a God.
Really. Perhaps you care to reply to my noncognitivist argument?
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/sapient/philosophy_and_psychology_with_chaoslord_and_todangst/6279
An atheist asked if Jesus was Messiah why didn't the Jews recognize him. That question alone tells me he is ignorant of what the Bible is about concerning Jews and Gentiles.
Strawman.
Atheists have no say so about the planet we live on.
Gosh. What about all those real important societies? What about the one whose economic might will soon crush America? The society in which I live? China. A nation of 1.2 billion atheists?
This is a theist run planet. That should tell the atheist something, but it doesn't.
This is some kind of joke. Ever heard of Argumentum ad populentum before?
God rules through the theist on planet earth.
Non sequiter and reducto ad absurdum.
ational responders? Actually it is the theist who proves God daily by his rule over the atheist's world, the world he is forced to live in.
If atheists had any proof there is no God, they have had millenniums to produce it, bring it forth.
Evidently you don't understand the difference between weak and strong atheism, or the negative proof fallacy, or the fact that theists have never produced a cogent argument for God.
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/sapient/philosophy_and_psychology_with_chaoslord_and_todangst/6279
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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False arguments
1. Argument by popularity. The world was once run by people that thought there were multiple gods, or that the world was flat. This does not make it true, any more than the majority of the world believing in god makes that true either.
2. The torah is not as unique as you may believe. Much of it is extremely similar to other writings of predecessor and neighboring nations. For instance, the 10 commandmants was largely derived from already existing laws in other countries.
3. Luke Skywalker fulfilled all the prophecies in the other Star Wars movies as well. You can't use the book you're trying to validate to validate the book.
4. Atheists will never be able to "disprove" god. The concept of god does not fall under laws of logic. No matter what argument an atheist could use, it could be circumvented with the blanket response "God doesn't follow the rules of the universe". Disproving Zeus, Thor, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and Russell's Teapot all have the same basic flaw: The assumption of something that does not follow the laws of the universe cannot be disproven using the laws of the universe.
However, the burden is not on the atheist. The person claiming the supernatural has the onus to provide evidence. If I claimed I saw a ghost, then challenged you to prove to me I didn't, that would be ridiculous. The burden of proof would be on me, just as it is on you.
Basically, your argument is "might makes right." Since we outnumber you, we are automatically correct. That is a logical fallacy, and is not evidence of anything other than the fact that most people believe in god.
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And if christians had any evidence "FOR" god, they have had just as long to produce it. They have not produced a SHRED!!
Right
You are right. The Bible doesn't prove that God exists. A lot of the old testament contains explanations of how terrible his people are(were).
If God wanted to display his power by letting theists rule, why was David's temple and all its riches looted by the Egyptians?? You would think he would be proud to have such an awsome temple built in his name, but apparently he thought the pagans should have it.
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Actually it is the white man who proves his supereority daily by his rule over the black man.
Apparently you are so hatefull that the idea of shareing is disgusting to you.
Next thing, you'll probably be advocating mass murder.
So I don't know if you are